Bias re enforcing the personal attack rule is getting a bit obvious

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nothingshocksmeanymore (7234 posts) Nov-14-02, 04:32 PM (ET) Bias re enforcing the personal attack rule is getting a bit obvious Will Pitt posts a thread"you can kiss my ass" When he is attacked the thread gets locked. Carlos personally attackes everyone who sees things differenly, after he gets taken to task the thread gets locked. Trumad posts a thread in the lounge which is an obvious attack on a poster who is leaving. Trumad says he's sorry for past transgressions that have been WAY over the line, he is still welcome despite contributing little. I request the rule be enforced with equity or abandoned. You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man's freedom. You can only be free if I am free. - Clarence Darrow   Alert Edit | Reply | Top

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Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    Howdy nothingshocksmeanymore proud patriot Nov-14-02 1  I'm sorry that you feel that way. Skinner Nov-14-02 2    Skinner I appreciate the reply BUT... I DID hit the alert on Will's k... nothingshocksmeanymore 11/14/2002 3        I am with you nothingshocks me notmypresident 11/14/2002 4            I double-dog agree Heddi 11/14/2002 5        Technically, it wasn't personal in the way we define personal. Skinner 11/15/2002 7            OK I'll accept that nothingshocksmeanymore 11/16/2002 8            Never thought of that before CatWoman 11/18/2002 9                We really are our OWN punishment! nothingshocksmeanymore 11/18/2002 10            I understand this obeah 11/25/2002 14  lol WilliamPitt Nov-21-02 11    Funny ... TahitiNut 11/22/2002 12        That was very nice WilliamPitt 11/22/2002 13

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proud patriot (11350 posts) Nov-14-02, 04:51 PM (ET) 1. Howdy nothingshocksmeanymore When you see a personal attack please use the alert button this goes for all of statements made that you feel may be against policy . We try to find em first and really could use help from DUers by alerting Moderators to any infringement of the rules . proud patriot just put one foot in front of the other   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Skinner ADMIN (6191 posts) Nov-14-02, 04:56 PM (ET) 2. I'm sorry that you feel that way. We enforce the rule fairly. We've got a dozen moderators, representing a wide range of liberal opinion, who discuss all of these enforcement issues and come to a consensus before any action is taken. It is not possible to read everything on this board. But the moderators do try to read every alert that comes in. If you see a rule infraction, hit the alert link. If you don't hit the alert link, the post will not be deleted and the infraction will stay on the board. As a member, it is easy to selectively choose examples to prove that we are "biased" against any point of view. In fact, I get accused of bias practically every day, sometimes multiple times. But the truth is that we are extremely fair.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

nothingshocksmeanymore (7234 posts) Nov-14-02, 06:10 PM (ET) Reply to post #2 3. Skinner I appreciate the reply BUT... I DID hit the alert on Will's kiss my ass thread, more than once... not only was it a personal and general attack on many using his presumed credibility as a published author to get away with it but it completely violated the spirit of the "civility and respect" section of the rules. You know I am supportive of you and the mods but I speak what some wish to say but DON'T when I tell you there is a feeling that some are a protected class while others MUST tow the line. This is my final comment on the subject. I made my feelings known. You can do something with it or nothing. Frankly, taking a few people aside and talking to them like a "dutch Uncle" in private would be my chosen suggestion. I need not see the action taken but please don't dismiss my observation. You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man's freedom. You can only be free if I am free. - Clarence Darrow   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

notmypresident (1209 posts) Nov-14-02, 06:26 PM (ET) Reply to post #3 4. I am with you nothingshocks me The entire "kiss my ass" thread should have been eliminated as soon as it began. I wont say it is a matter of favoritism, but I really was shocked that it was not pulled. I am forgiving of Mr. Pitt for his diatribe, but anyone who ever says that to my face, well that is another matter. Where I come from, that is a worse insult than saying F*** You.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Heddi (1338 posts) Nov-14-02, 07:12 PM (ET) Reply to post #4 5. I double-dog agree It was a thread whose SOLE PURPOSE was to be a flame bait---a massive waste of forum space, other's times, as well as their emotions. I found it very offensive, and, like the poster above said, I do think there is a....clique...of people who are allowed to post whatever inflamatory rhetoric they want and not get called on it until WAY past the point that others, who aren't in the 'clique' would have been called on the same thread. Honestly, *I* myself didn't hit the alert button because in all seriousness, I thought it would have been closed down much MUCH sooner than it was   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Skinner ADMIN (6191 posts) Nov-15-02, 09:28 AM (ET) Reply to post #3 7. Technically, it wasn't personal in the way we define personal. We define personal as an attack on one individual. Will's thread was broadly aimed. You may have noticed that we have let many, many threads stay that are broadly aimed: "The Moderates are _________!"; The DLC is ___________!"; "Greens are __________!"; "The Extreme Left is ___________!"; etc. Are these threads constructive? No, they're typically just flame bait. But they don't violate the rules, so sometimes the moderators let the threads stay to see what happens. And the moderators understand that if someone posts flame bait, that person is going to get flamed. And in the end, the person who starts the flame-bait thread usually doesn't end up looking very good. So I'm of the opinion that we're not exactly doing them any favors by letting their flame-bait threads stay.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

nothingshocksmeanymore (7234 posts) Nov-16-02, 02:14 PM (ET) Reply to post #7 8. OK I'll accept that You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man's freedom. You can only be free if I am free. - Clarence Darrow   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

CatWoman (11820 posts) Nov-18-02, 12:20 PM (ET) Reply to post #7 9. Never thought of that before It's so obvious. Good point. And in the end, the person who starts the flame-bait thread usually doesn't end up looking very good. Restore Gore in 2004 Proud Member of the Grassy Knoll Society -- Atlanta Chapter No one can make you feel inferior without your permission -- Eleanor Roosevelt   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

nothingshocksmeanymore (7234 posts) Nov-18-02, 01:15 PM (ET) Reply to post #9 10. We really are our OWN punishment! You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man's freedom. You can only be free if I am free. - Clarence Darrow   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

obeah (698 posts) Nov-25-02, 05:37 PM (ET) Reply to post #7 14. I understand this I really do. At the same time, it would be nice to be able to come here and not be accused of being the equivalent of an Al-Qaeda member. http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=19811&forum=DCForumID60 Proud Member of the Grassy Knoll Society   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

WilliamPitt (11581 posts) Nov-21-02, 11:10 PM (ET) 11. lol LAST EDITED ON Nov-21-02 AT 11:12 PM (ET) My "Kiss my ass" thread went to 208 posts and lasted for two days. I got blasted by about 195 in that thread. Rightfully so, actually, which was the point, which was also why (I'm pretty sure) the mods let it hang fire after it got so demonstrably out of control. They didn't lock it after I got personally attacked. They locked it after it got too big to load. Yer a wee mite off-base including me in this one. Anger is a gift. War On Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You To Know GKS2002   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

TahitiNut (5022 posts) Nov-22-02, 01:14 AM (ET) Reply to post #11 12. Funny ... ... as far as I could tell, the foo didn't shit. Thus, I felt sorta left out of the fecal festival. Besides, I was the only one in the entire thread who asked you to pucker up (with an alum enema assist) and sent you a kiss. (Sigh) Why I'm Voting, While I Still Can * "Never separate the lives you live from the words you speak." -(SenatoriPauliWellstone) "This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness." -(HHitheiDalaiiLama)   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

WilliamPitt (11581 posts) Nov-22-02, 08:47 AM (ET) Reply to post #12 13. That was very nice Anger is a gift. War On Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You To Know GKS2002   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

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