TX Repuke Governor, "Desperate"?---Neck&Neck

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UTUSN (1351 posts) Oct-05-02, 10:07 AM (ET) TX Repuke Governor, "Desperate"?---Neck&Neck Let's see, Repukes claim to want to recruit minorities, so, in a race against Hispanic SANCHEZ, the strategy is to attack an incoming Hispanic county judge, who is from South Texas, which is solidly Hispanic (and Dem, BTW). Yep, that makes sense. Along the same lines as vetoing about 50 legislative pieces directly affecting South Texas. But HEY----the Guv has GOOD HAIR, looks good in the Mexican pointy hats, and has taken Spanish lessons at a school in Mexico, a trendy move among New World Order politicians. *************QUOTE*********** http://www.themonitor.com/NewsPub/News/Stories/2002/10/04/10337876801.shtml Friday, October 4, 2002 9:14 pm Governor verbally attacks Ramon Garcia By Steve Taylor The Monitor AUSTIN — Gov. Rick Perry has launched a blistering attack on incoming Hidalgo County Judge Ramon Garcia, describing him as the most “notorious” personal injury lawyer in the Rio Grande Valley. .... Garcia, who will be sworn in as Hidalgo County judge in January, said Perry’s “hysterical outburst” showed he was on his way out as governor. He said he expected a more civilized discourse from Perry considering the attack was aimed at an incoming county judge. .... “I don’t know where Perry’s coming from. The attacks are laughable,” Garcia said. “Is that the way he wants to work with the incoming county judge for one of the biggest counties in the state? What sort of message does that send out to the voters of South Texas?” Garcia said he suspected Perry had launched the attack out of desperation. He said the most recent opinion polls were showing Sanchez and Perry neck and neck and that Perry’s numbers were falling because of his handling of the state’s insurance crisis. ***************UNQUOTE**********   Alert Edit | Reply | Top

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Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    Is it possible? DEMActivist Oct-05-02 1    Please don't get fished in incontrovertible 10/05/2002 2        also have a problem with tony mrbill 10/05/2002 3            oh yeah... incontrovertible 10/05/2002 4                I agree thethinker 10/05/2002 5                    yep incontrovertible 10/05/2002 8                    Yes there is another candidate clarence 10/05/2002 10                Morales sucked. el_gato 10/05/2002 7                    uh, excuse me? incontrovertible 10/05/2002 9                    Thank You, El Gato, UTUSN 10/05/2002 13                        uh incontrovertible 10/05/2002 15                            Where to Start.... UTUSN 10/05/2002 16                                Where to end incontrovertible 10/05/2002 26        What a dumb idea jiacinto 10/05/2002 18            what would you suggest to a texas voter....... mrbill 10/05/2002 19                The Primary Is Over UTUSN 10/05/2002 21                    don't forget that messy incident in duvall county with lbj..... mrbill 10/05/2002 22                        Yep, LBJ UTUSN 10/05/2002 23  He's not as bad as Perry el_gato Oct-05-02 6    I disagree incontrovertible 10/05/2002 11        nice.. a successful Latino MUST be corrupt texasleo 10/05/2002 17            nice baseless racism charge, "texasleo." incontrovertible 10/05/2002 24                Re: "Sanchez isn't even a Democrat" pmbryant 10/05/2002 25                    As a one-time Morales supporter, I respect your opinion incontrovertible 10/05/2002 27  Perry has got to go Bridget Burke Oct-05-02 12    Please Consider this: clarence 10/05/2002 14    HOWDY BRIDGET Skittles 10/05/2002 20

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DEMActivist (1854 posts) Oct-05-02, 10:21 AM (ET) 1. Is it possible? Even the Goddess of all things Political (Karen Hughes) can't pull this one off? Does this have any familiarity to the "Gore didn't even take his home state" mantra? If the DEMS can pull off the Texas Governorship AND defeat Jeb, the political machine of BFEE will have been slapped like they have never been slapped before.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

incontrovertible (143 posts) Oct-05-02, 10:38 AM (ET) Reply to post #1 2. Please don't get fished in by Tony the Phony Sanchez, a thoroughly corrupt banker who wanted to run as a Republican, but "turned" Democrat when the GOP refused to allow his primary challenge - unless you like the idea of the first Hispanic governor being forced to resign in disgrace after about fifty big-time banking / insurance / money laundering scandals come boiling up from the sludge. The only Democratic candidate for governor of Texas was Dan Morales, and the party establishment turned their collective back on him, because money. I'm 150 percent behind Kirk, Watson, Sharp and all of the other D candidates, but Tony the Phony can rot. He's behind by nine points anyway (thus the transparent attempt to make this judge thing a race issue), and better the Republican you know than the Republican you don't - especially for the largely symbolic post of Governor. I'll vote for whomever the Greens are running instead. Sorry, TDP, but you should've backed Morales, and not Tony the Phony's heaping pile of cocaine-and-federal-bailout money. Let Jerry Speak!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

mrbill (720 posts) Oct-05-02, 10:50 AM (ET) Reply to post #2 3. also have a problem with tony Sanchez gave $100,000 to the chimpster's florida coup effort. That bought a lot of sandwiches for those assholes in the hallway. This act alone makes it a hard thing for me to forgive this "democrat" political candidate. It might be possible to get over tony's saving and loans, banking, oil and insurance scams. Looks to me like the BFEE is covering their ass and has both dogs in this race.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

incontrovertible (143 posts) Oct-05-02, 11:02 AM (ET) Reply to post #3 4. oh yeah... kinda forgot to mention that fun factoid. It might be possible to get over tony's saving and loans, banking, oil and insurance scams. Not for me. Democrats shouldn't nominate crooks. Whatever complaints we may have about Perry, at least he never had to cut a one MILLION dollar check - to the federal government, no less, so he can't claim it's local political persecution - to escape prosecution for provable fraud. I can forgive creative accounting and aggressive (but legal) business practices, but The Phony's just a complete sleaze, and I'm just flat embarassed that he's "our" nominee. His bitching about using credit scoring to determine insurance rates, while doing the very same thing in his own company, was the straw that broke it for me. I forget whether Texas allows write-ins for governor's race. If so, I'll write in Morales. If not, I'll vote Green. Let Jerry Speak!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

thethinker (2 posts) Oct-05-02, 11:20 AM (ET) Reply to post #4 5. I agree This is a case of a Republican running against a Republican on the Democratic ticket. It makes me sick. I also plan to vote write in or Green. I hope the Greens have a good man running - he will get a lot of votes in this election. I also will be voting straight Democratic (as usual) otherwise.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

incontrovertible (143 posts) Oct-05-02, 11:26 AM (ET) Reply to post #5 8. yep what we have here is a Republican Primary disguised as a general election. It's the Primary challenge that The Phony wasn't allowed to have in March. The real races are Sharp / Dewhurst and Kirk / Cornyn. It'd be the funniest thing in the world if the D's sweep all races, except for The Phony. Let Jerry Speak!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

clarence (104 posts) Oct-05-02, 11:32 AM (ET) Reply to post #5 10. Yes there is another candidate Go to: rahulmahajan.com or to txgreens.org the voters of Texas have some great options besides the dems and repugs.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

el_gato (458 posts) Oct-05-02, 11:23 AM (ET) Reply to post #4 7. Morales sucked. He sounded more like a republican than Perry.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

incontrovertible (143 posts) Oct-05-02, 11:28 AM (ET) Reply to post #7 9. uh, excuse me? Examples, please? Direct quotes? Morales has been a dedicated and accomplished Democrat for about twenty years - he didn't switch parties after being denied a chance in the Republican primary, nor did he ever cop the financial equivalent of a guilty plea for banking fraud. Let Jerry Speak!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

UTUSN (1351 posts) Oct-05-02, 11:59 AM (ET) Reply to post #7 13. Thank You, El Gato, for bucking the let's-continue-to-elect-Repukes train of thought and the reprise of the MORALES and Greens fixations.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

incontrovertible (143 posts) Oct-05-02, 12:09 PM (ET) Reply to post #13 15. uh and the reprise of the MORALES and Greens fixations. what exactly is that supposed to mean? Could you rephrase? Do either of you happen to work for the Sanchez campaign? Because I've yet to meet an enthusiastic Sanchez supporter who doesn't. Sorry, but you're not going to guilt me into voting for The Phony. The Texas Democratic Party is the entity that deserves repudiation in this matter, for having nominated this joke. Still awaiting the direct quotes from Morales in which he sounded more like a Republican than Perry. Probably the lack of support for making Spanish a second official language. Never mind that he's absolutely correct, it still sounds like a good issue to tar him with, so have at it. I defy any Sanchez employee supporter to justify his original intention to run as a Republican, and his $100,000 donation to the Bush recount committee in Florida. Hm? Hm? Hm? Hm? Hmmmmm? Let Jerry Speak!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

UTUSN (1351 posts) Oct-05-02, 12:29 PM (ET) Reply to post #15 16. Where to Start.... 1- Nothing in the original post expressed enthusiasm for SANCHEZ. It was all about doing dart practice on the REPUKE (who originally was a "Dem" by the way). 2- I totally resent your baseless aspersion of anybody here being "employed" by a campaign and your hijacking a thread. 3- The Greens and MORALES topics have been flogged to death here and don't need any explanation. 4- Calls for "repudiating" the Dem party and for high-minded, purist losing (thereby continuing Repukes in office) ------just save your breath. 5- Any further attack and I'll just submit the issue to the Moderators and/or ask that the thread be deleted.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

incontrovertible (143 posts) Oct-05-02, 03:15 PM (ET) Reply to post #16 26. Where to end 1- Nothing in the original post expressed enthusiasm for SANCHEZ. Right, because the actual candidate doesn't matter, just the label. Sure. It was all about doing dart practice on the REPUKE (who originally was a "Dem" by the way). Really? Perry was a Dem in 1999? Perry switched party affiliations to run for Governor? Wow - didn't know that. Wonder why a real Republican didn't challenge him in the Primary this year. Oh, wait, one tried to - Tony Sanchez. That's right. 2- I totally resent your baseless aspersion of anybody here being "employed" by a campaign and your hijacking a thread. It's not really baseless, considering that most of the people I've seen strongly advocating for Sanchez, particularly when Morales shot up in the polls, wound up being traced back to the Sanchez campaign, through Usenet headers and web logs and the like. Hijacking a thread? Uh, no, I'm expressing an opinion. If you'd prefer I stick to the thread, fine - the irrational exuberance of unproven standing in the polls for Tony the Phony is unwarranted, particularly given the fact that Sanchez is a Republican anyway. The real exuberance should come from the fact that Kirk and Sharp may yet unseat their opponents. As for Tony the Phony, I think the term "Pyrrhic Victory" would apply, should he actually close the nine point gap between himself and Perry in, uh, three weeks. 3- The Greens and MORALES topics have been flogged to death here and don't need any explanation Not by me, and as far as I'm concerned, the Phony apologists haven't made their case. Quite the opposite. 4- Calls for "repudiating" the Dem party and for high-minded, purist losing (thereby continuing Repukes in office) ------just save your breath. Is it really such a useless endeavor, when the faux-Democrat candidate is going to lose anyway? Why should I be compelled to say, "hey, Great Job, TDP - nominate another corrupt Republican sleazebag next time, too!"? 5- Any further attack and I'll just submit the issue to the Moderators and/or ask that the thread be deleted. Attack? One supposes whether a Sanchez advocate is in his employ, and you characterize this as an "attack?" Apparently your own assessment of the man's character isn't that far removed from my own. I notice you still elected not to provide any justification for the $100,000 donation to the "Install Bush" committee. I don't blame you. Let Jerry Speak!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

jiacinto (9408 posts) Oct-05-02, 01:09 PM (ET) Reply to post #2 18. What a dumb idea Having TX elect a Dem Governor would be a real big insult to Bush but you insist on helping the Republican candidate.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

mrbill (720 posts) Oct-05-02, 01:13 PM (ET) Reply to post #18 19. what would you suggest to a texas voter....... ....that was having trouble dealing with the $100,000 sanchez donated to chimpy for the florida coup? that smells real bad. whose side is this guy really on?   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

UTUSN (1351 posts) Oct-05-02, 01:48 PM (ET) Reply to post #19 21. The Primary Is Over Any voters who had trouble with any of the several flaws have presumably worked this out for themselves, one way or the other, by now. This is the nominee, de facto, of the Dem Party. This is a Weak-Governor state government. The Lieutenant Governor is the shaper and implementer. The LABEL of the party representative gets to install the STAFFERS and the lesser office holders, who, hopefully will themselves implement Dem policies-----certainly moreso than any Repuke will. Idealism, philosophical PURITY, and not settling for a lesser evil are just dandy virtues for an individual to have, and such an individual will just be a dandy SELF. Whoever gets into office will be able to spread WHATEVER positive potential that person has. A Dem LABEL-holder IMHO will just about ALWAYS have more potential for SPREADING more positive potential. We Dems have just about ALWAYS fielded superior persons as candidates----smarter, more decent, more idealistic. Perhaps in every case there might have been a competitor Dem who wasn't THAT good, but who might have WON and who might have ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED some good policies, whereas ALL OF THE GOOD that STEVENSON, HUMPHREY, McGOVERN,MONDALE,and DUKAKIS----*MIGHT*---have implemented never saw the light of day. By the way, what would YOU say to somebody who has trouble with JFK's current popularity with LIMBAUGH and his ilk? Or about JFK's Chicago vote-getting or his rutting in hall closets? (Simma down now, am making a point to mrbill's post; no flaming on JFK, please.)   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

mrbill (720 posts) Oct-05-02, 02:05 PM (ET) Reply to post #21 22. don't forget that messy incident in duvall county with lbj..... ....where the 89 dead people voted. in that and in the jfk chicago deal democrats got elected. sanchez helped out the opposition with his $100K donation in florida. what was he thinking? shouldn't he bear a tiny bit of the blame for chimpy along with nader and michael moore? only saying that in my humble opinion that it looks to me like the BFEE has two dogs in the texas governor's race. was unaware of jfk's current "popularity" with the rush crowd. don't ever listen to his crap.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

UTUSN (1351 posts) Oct-05-02, 02:28 PM (ET) Reply to post #22 23. Yep, LBJ had that "messy incident". Makes two of my points: 1) that somebody "pure" (either philosophically or morally) is hard to find. and 2) a less-than-perfect office-HOLDER can actually DO things, like Medicare, Voting Rights Act, and much more. And, yep, the Ditto-heads, HANNITY, and such, have been spinning for years that JFK was a wingnut in economics, tax cuts, prelude to RAYGUN. I *do* listen to that crap a la "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

el_gato (458 posts) Oct-05-02, 11:22 AM (ET) 6. He's not as bad as Perry The governership in Texas is largely symbolic. But not electing Perry would also be a political repudiation of the republican establishment here. Something we desperately need. Texas used to be considered a democratic state. I want that back. Sanchez was the only Regent at UT to vote against the student infrastructre fee. He also has spoken out against testing instead of genuine teaching. I respect our Green candidate Rahul Mahajan (sp?). Hell I might even vote for him. But Sanchez is better than Perry any day.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

incontrovertible (143 posts) Oct-05-02, 11:33 AM (ET) Reply to post #6 11. I disagree at best, The Phony is about equal to Perry, and at worst, he's a criminal and proven fraud. I'd love for a Hispanic Democrat to become Governor of Texas - it's high time. But I'd prefer that the first one not have to resign in disgrace after orchestrating a billion dollars in sleazy deals with his cronies, as I fully expect would happen with The Phony. Let Jerry Speak!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

texasleo (4315 posts) Oct-05-02, 12:53 PM (ET) Reply to post #11 17. nice.. a successful Latino MUST be corrupt Perry ads seem to be paying dividends. **************************************** His balls were like grapefruits. Not big, just yellow with the SUNKIST stamp on them. --Robert Schimmel **************************************** I was involved in a carjacking. Luckily, none got on the upholstery. --Robert Schimmel   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

incontrovertible (143 posts) Oct-05-02, 02:54 PM (ET) Reply to post #17 24. nice baseless racism charge, "texasleo." Morales is a successful Latino, sir, with none of the rank partisan stench of The Phony. Have I implied that Morales is in any way corrupt? It is not a question of whether Sanchez, this "successful Latino MUST be corrupt," sir - he is corrupt, provably so, he paid a one-million dollar penalty to evade prosecution for bank fraud, and defaulted on $161 million in sweetheart deals to his cronies. I don't give a rat's ass if the Perry campaign first uncovered this fact - it's been verified in every state paper of any consequence, and the truth is the truth, even when it involves a "Democrat." Let's break this down. 1) Sanchez is going to lose. 2) Sanchez deserves to lose. 3) If Sanchez were not to lose, he would pack every state court, committee and bureaucratic position with his Republican cronies anyway. 4) He would likely be forced to resign in disgrace, after the many other Tesoro-related scandals are inevitably brought to light. 5) If he were not, by some insane circumstance, forced to resign, he would likely switch back to the Republicans before his re-election campaign. 6) HE GAVE $100,000 TO THE BUSH RECOUNT CAMPAIGN IN FLORIDA! This is not the Gore v. Nader "who's really representing the Left" debate - Sanchez isn't even a Democrat. Oh, what's that? I'm supposed to respect the sacred "label?" YEAH! That's a GREAT idea! In fact, why don't we run NOTHING but Republicans who switched affiliation solely out of convenience in the red states, because that way, we'll look like we have any influence whatsoever! Oh, they won't VOTE with us, they won't implement ANY programs or make ANY appointments with which we actually AGREE, but it'll LOOK great, and it'll really piss off the Republicans - even though they'll get everything they actually want, anyway, trust us, they'll be PISSED! FEH. I SPIT on this ASININE excuse for a "strategy." Go ahead and cry about it. Go ahead and call me a traitor. Go ahead and run to the moderators and get me banned. Morales is still the only Democratic candidate actually fielded for the office of Texas Governor, and he is still the only one who has earned my vote. But go ahead and elect Sanchez (which you can't do anyway) - be my guest. Won't bother me a whit, especially after I turn out to be entirely correct in everything I've predicted. Just don't say I didn't warn you, after his abject corruption bars any actual Democrat from obtaining that office for about twenty years. Let Jerry Speak!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

pmbryant (2055 posts) Oct-05-02, 03:02 PM (ET) Reply to post #24 25. Re: "Sanchez isn't even a Democrat" Well, he won a primary election in which Democratic voters, by a large margin, selected him as their preferred candidate. In my mind, that qualifies him as a Democrat. I will be enthusiastically voting for Sanchez in November. And I was a strong Morales proponent and Sanchez critic, publicly on this board, back in the spring before the nominee was decided. --Peter We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shallseem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. -- The Declaration of Independence   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

incontrovertible (143 posts) Oct-05-02, 03:16 PM (ET) Reply to post #25 27. As a one-time Morales supporter, I respect your opinion And I trust you respect my own. Let Jerry Speak!   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Bridget Burke (1 posts) Oct-05-02, 11:55 AM (ET) 12. Perry has got to go The Governor of Texas has a bit more than a symbolic role. True, the Lt. Gov. has more political power. However, the Governor has the power of the veto. At the end of the last legislative session, after everybody else had gone home. Perry vetoed 78 bills in one day, making a total of 82 vetoes for the session-a record in Texas. He'd voiced no objections while the bills were being passed. (Texas Monthly had deemed him "furniture" for his inactivity during the session.) This article in The Austin Chronicle gives more information & links to another that lists some of the bills that Perry killed: www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2001-06-29/pols_capitol.html One of them was a bill to prevent execution of the mentally retarded. I'm not in love with Sanchez, but will vote for him in hopes of putting Perry where he can't do any more harm. Plus, it'll really piss off the Republicans. ***   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

clarence (104 posts) Oct-05-02, 12:03 PM (ET) Reply to post #12 14. Please Consider this: Is there a possibility that everyone could consider not voting for the lesser of two evils?   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

Skittles (5466 posts) Oct-05-02, 01:22 PM (ET) Reply to post #12 20. HOWDY BRIDGET WELCOME TO THE DU. I agree that Perry is a piece of furniture. The only thing I know about him is he's got good hair and he wasn't elected. I don't care much for Sanchez - there's an air of phoniness about him - but I'm SALIVATING at the thought of the Dems taking Texas.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Top

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