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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:12 AM
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The Hits Keep Coming: Smoking Gun Reports Donald Trump Was A Draft Dodger
http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-hits-keep-coming-smo...

So far Donald Trump has been creating buzz about whether or not hell run for president in 2012 by having made looking into Barack Obamas past specifically, his birth certificate and college transcripts his major focal points. But perhaps people in glass luxury hotels shouldnt throw stones. Trumps financial records and tax returns have already been a topic of discussion among those in the media, and Rand Paul recently demanded that Trump show his original long-form certificate of Republican registration. And, now, some digging around into Trumps own past has revealed that the man who might maybe sort of possibly make a bid for President may have actively avoided serving his country. Keep in mind: Trump has made his own proposed plans regarding military action abundantly clear and also formerly attended the New York Military Academy.

This week, Trump discussed why he did not fight in the Vietnam War with local Fox affiliate WNYW:

I actually got lucky because I had a very high draft number. Ill never forget, that was an amazing period of time in my life.

I was going to the Wharton School of Finance, and I was watching as they did the draft numbers and I got a very, very high number and those numbers never got up to.

What Trump didnt mention, however, was that he actively avoided serving. According to The Smoking Gun, the business moguls Selective Service records reveal that by the time his draft number 356 was drawn during the December 1, 1969 draft lottery, Trump had received four student deferments and one medical deferment. These can be seen in a document on file with the National Archives and Records Administration.

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Broderick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:13 AM
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1. He asked for it.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 07:53 PM
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37. He sure did
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nykym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:18 AM
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2. I think I got the same number.
Edited on Fri Apr-29-11 10:18 AM by nykym
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:20 AM
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3. Another repub chickenhawk. What a shocker.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 08:10 AM
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38. No shit.
Nothing but hypocrites.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:32 AM
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4. History has shown: draft dodgers can still be POTUS
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:33 AM
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5. Declaring hisself lucky shows he had no intent to serve his country at that time
He was too busy taking advantage of the country and privileges others had died for.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 04:41 PM
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41. No disrespect to you and no props to Trump, but service in Vietnam
was not service to country at that time.

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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:37 AM
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6. The Medical Deferment Might Have Been Draft Avoidance
but not the student deferments.

What the article doesn't make clear is that that before 1969, as long as you were in college you got a deferment. While a few people volunteered, the large majority of students availed themselves of this opportunity.

When the system changed to a lottery, student exemptions were pretty much eliminated. So Trump seems to have lucked out.

That medical deferment might be examined, but then Howard Dean got kind of a soft deferment, too.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:37 AM
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7. The "tough guy" is a draft dodger. All hat, no cattle
or what's the NY equivalent?
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:12 AM
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19. You are calling millions of students in the late 60s draft dodgers?
Millions legally had student deferments in the late 60s and early 70s and now some think they were "draft dodgers" because they followed the law. A draft dodger is someone who is actually drafted and then takes moves to avoid it. Go take your slander somewhere else.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:27 AM
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20. I'm using their terminology against them. (Sarcasm)
Edited on Fri Apr-29-11 11:27 AM by ecstatic
Great job defending Trump though. :eyes:
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:31 AM
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21. I have no idea if Trump dodged the draft or not.
But he certainly did not do it based on the evidence in the OP. And the millions of students of that generation who did the same thing need no "defense".
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:39 AM
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22. The problem is, you're taking a comment directed only at Trump, to point out his hypocrisy,
Edited on Fri Apr-29-11 11:40 AM by ecstatic
and using it to become offended on behalf of a lot of other people. I personally would have dodged the war anyway I could, but I'm not pretending to be a tough, warmongering republican. Get it?
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:46 AM
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23. Yeah, I get that part.
And I object to any who has not been in the military getting us involved in non-defensive wars. Including our President. Iraq never was a defensive war and should have been ended the minute Obama took the oath. Afghanistan has long since been defensive and the 'surge' has not got the situation any better. Libya is simply a war of of aggression on behalf of our European allies. But I guess I'm getting off topic.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:55 AM
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27. There we agree
All wars should be ended today. There is nothing to be gained from staying.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:42 AM
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8. He had "other priorities," you see.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:49 AM
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9. Liar
"I was going to the Wharton School of Finance, and I was watching as they did the draft numbers"

Trump graduated from Wharton in 1968.
First lottery was on December 1, 1969.

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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:53 AM
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10. Oh no - he LIES.
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:51 AM
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25. And you...
are awesome for catching that pesky little fact! :)
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goodnews Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 06:17 PM
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34. ROFL! Nice catch!
:rofl:
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 07:52 PM
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36. he didn't say he was enrolled...
just that he was "going to Wharton". So he didn't actually lie.

:sarcasm:

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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 04:45 PM
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43. I was a little boy then of about 10, and I remember hearing it on
the radio. Of course, I was too young to understand the significance of what I was hearing, just a bunch of dates being read out loud. Weird, though, how your post brought that memory back.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:53 AM
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11. Hopefully by the time this is all over
He'll wish he had just kept his mouth shut about all this craziness :crazy:
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:56 AM
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12. Anybody who could escape the Vietnam draft, did.
Something like 60% of those eligible found a way to avoid it. 70,000 went to Canada.

While the Donald is a complete POS, his deferrments were completely legal, and his 1969 lottery number nearly guaranteed that he wouldn't be called up. Highest number called that year was 195.



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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:59 AM
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13. Trump is going to be sorry that he fucked with
the President. You betcha!
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:02 AM
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14. Too many Republicans in high places have avoided being
drafted,---no traction on this charge.
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:07 AM
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15. I think both parties have leaders who avoided the draft.
I believe we had a president in the 90s who falls in that category. Very few members of Congress of either party have been in the military.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:09 AM
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18. ''Butbutbut THEM DEMONRATS DO IT TOO!!111!!''
:crazy:
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goodnews Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 05:45 PM
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31. But he wasn't a warmonger, a chickenhawk. nt
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 06:26 PM
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35. I guess you forgot the part about him demanding regime change in Iraq.
And supporting the run up to the war. No he didn't get us in there but he didn't help to keep us out.
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goodnews Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 04:38 PM
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40. Point taken, and I agree. I guess its about taking us into
war. Clinton also bombed Baghdad in 1996 for what appears to be political reasons. It's a matter of degrees. Clinton wasn't a warmonger, but he sure as hell wasn't a peacenik either.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:07 AM
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16. Excuse me? Excuse me?
he didn't dodge the dra..Excuse me?

Excuse me?

Trump can prove his lottery number was too high, he's got investigators on the ground, and they've found some pretty incredible stuff, which he may or may not reveal in Jun..Excuse me?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:08 AM
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17. He took the rush limpballs route. nt
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 03:20 PM
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28. so that hair is hiding an anal cyst?
The mind boggles... :wow: :rofl:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 03:34 PM
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29. ...
:spray:
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:48 AM
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24. And, of course, being the Patriot that he was...
He said, "Screw it...high draft number doesn't mean anything to ME!!! I'm going to join the military gladly, proudly, and willingly!"


Don't really need the sarcasm thingy, do I?




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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:52 AM
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26. Cheney dodged like mad and it apparently didn't hurt him. More's the pity!
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goodnews Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 05:44 PM
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30. Cluuck, Cluuck, Cluuuuuck--another Chickenhawk. nt
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goodnews Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 05:49 PM
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32. From reading this topic I can see people have lost their understanding
Edited on Fri Apr-29-11 05:54 PM by goodnews
, if they ever had it, of the difference between those who simply avoided the draft--Clinton for instance--and those who avoided but later turned into warmongers.

Google Chickehawks, there are a few websites that list the large number of Repukee cowards who are warmongers. Looking at the replies to this OP is like looking at the Repukes trying to defend their chickenhawk leaders back in the Bush era. Hmmmmmmmm.....are you Duers really dems?



From Wikepedia:

Chickenhawk (politics)


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia






Chickenhawk (also chicken hawk and chicken-hawk) is a political epithet used in the United States to criticize a politician, bureaucrat, or commentator who strongly supports a war or other military action, yet who actively avoided military service when of age.

The term is meant to indicate that the person in question is cowardly or hypocritical for personally avoiding combat in the past while advocating that others go to war in the present. Generally, the implication is that "chickenhawks" lack the experience, judgment, or moral standing to make decisions about going to war. The term is not applied to those who avoided military service without subsequently adopting a hawkish political outlook.

The term was first applied to vocal supporters of military action who were perceived to have used family connections or college deferments to avoid serving in previous wars, particularly the Vietnam War. In current usage, the label is used almost exclusively to describe ardent supporters of the Iraq War who have themselves never been in combat; it is less often used to describe supporters of the more broadly supported war in Afghanistan as such. People who use the term have not necessarily been in the military themselves; people labeled "chickenhawks" have sometimes served in the military, but have not seen combat. Although it is possible to have a military career and never be at war, the term is often used in the context of someone who has been in the military in time of war but made efforts to steer clear of combat.

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goodnews Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 06:13 PM
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33. Here is a list of Repukee type chickehawks
From "The Chickehawk database"


Hall of Shame

When an American male (or an especially belligerent female) makes the challenging transition from late adolescence into early adulthood, he is faced with many decisions. One certain, specific combination of choices will result in his becoming a chickenhawk: choosing to support war, while also choosing not to serve in the military. His motto becomes: Lets you and him go fight; Ill hold your coat.

Depending on external circumstances, such an individual may become one of three varieties of chickenhawk:
If there is no draft, and the nation is at peace, the individual becomes a Common Chickenhawk;
If there is a draft, and the nation is at peace, the individual becomes a Chickenhawk First Class;
If the there is a draft, and the nation is at war, the individual becomes a Chickenhawk First Class with Distinguished Fleeing Cross.

We currently have 154 Chickenhawks listed in our database. Here they are, listed alphabetically. Click here to see them listed by date of birth.



Spencer Abraham

Elliott Abrams

Ken Adelman

Roger Ailes

Lamar Alexander

George Felix Allen

Richard Keith "Dick" Armey

John Ashcroft

Harvey Leroy "Lee" Atwater

Haley Reeves Barbour

Bob Barr

Roscoe Bartlett

Robert Leroy Bartley

Joseph Linus "Joe" Barton

Charles Foster "Charlie" Bass

Gary Lee Bauer

Glenn Lee Beck

William Bennett

Richard B. Berman

Wolf Isaac Blitzer

Richard Blumenthal

Roy Blunt

John Andrew Boehner

Clint Bolick

John Bolton

Pat Boone

Neal Boortz

Max Boot

James Paul David "Jim" Bunning

George Walker Bush

John Ellis "Jeb" Bush

Carl Cameron

Kirk Thomas Cameron

Andrew "Andy" Card

Gerald Posner Carmen

Clarence Saxby Chambliss

John P.H. "Pecker Head" Chandler

Richard Bruce "Still Dick" Cheney

Thomas Leo Clancy

Thomas Allen "Tom" Coburn

Roy Cohn

Norman Bertram "Norm" Coleman

John Cornyn III

Ann Hart Coulter

Toby Keith Covel

Larry "Wide Stance" Craig

Dinesh D'Souza

Thomas Dale "Tom," "The Hammer" DeLay

Steven James Doocy

Charles Gwynne "Chuck" Douglas III

John Mathias Engler

Donald Louis Evans

Jerry Lamon Falwell

Don Feder

Douglas J. Feith

Jim Finnegan

Bryan Fischer

Malcolm Stevenson "Steve" Forbes

Yoshihiro Francis Fukuyama

Frank Gaffney

Newton Leroy "Newt" Gingrich

Rudolph Wiliam Louis "Rudy" Giuliani

Alan Gottlieb

William Franklin "Billy" Graham

William Franklin Graham

William Phillip "Phil" Gramm

Lee Greenwood

Judd Gregg

Sean Hannity

Paul Harvey

Dennis Hastert

John Edgar Hoover

Brit Hume

Asa Hutchinson

Young Timothy Hutchinson

David R. Ignatius

Laura Anne Ingraham

Frederick Walter Kagan

Robert Kagan

Joyce Kaufman

Francis Anthony Keating

Ronald Kessler

Alan Lee Keyes

Brian Kilmeade

Charles De Ganahl Koch

David Koch

William "Bill" Kristol

Jon Llewellyn Kyle

Wayne LaPierre

Michael Arthur Ledeen

Irve Lewis "Scooter" Libby

Joseph Isidore "Joe" Lieberman

David Limbaugh

Rush Hudson Limbaugh III

William "Bill" Loeb III

Chester Trent Lott, Sr.

Frank I. Luntz

David Martin McIntosh

Joseph "Joe" McQuaid

Gerald McRaney

Michael Medved

John Luigi Mica

Don Nickles

Grover Glenn Norquist

Theodore Anthony "Ted" Nugent

William "Bill" O'Reilly

Patrick Jake "PJ" O'Rourke

Marvin Olasky

John M. Olin

Ted Olson

Richard Norman Perle

James Danforth "Dan" Quayle

Michael Reagan

Ralph Eugene Reed, Jr.

Robert James "Kid Rock" Ritchie

Marion Gordon "Pat" Robertson

Willard Mitt Romney

Karl Christian Rove

Marco Antonio Rubio

Antonin Gregory Scalia

Charles Joseph "Joe" Scarborough

Todd Andrew Schnitt

Melvin Floyd "Mel" Sembler

Richard Craig Shelby

Alan Kooi Simpson

Francis Albert "Frank" Sinatra

Willard Cleon Skousen

Robert Anthony "Tony" Snow

Britney Jean Spears

Sylvester Gardenzio "Sly" Stallone

Kenneth Winston Starr

Michael Stephen Steele

Benjamin Jeremy "Ben" Stein

Mark Steyn

David Alan Stockman

Roger Stone

Thomas Gerard "Tom" Tancredo

James Taranto

Clarence Thomas

Fred Thompson

Meldrim "Mel" Thomson

Donn Tibbetts

Clyde Anderson Tolson

Robert Emmett Tyrrell, Jr.



Jon Vincent Voight

Christopher "Chris" Wallace

John P. Walters

John "Duke" Wayne

John Vincent "Vin" Weber

Michael Alan "Michael Savage" Weiner

William Floyd "Bill" Weld

George Frederick Will

Walter Winchell

Paul Dundes Wolfowitz
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 08:13 AM
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39. He's a Republican now
so it's OK. We may as well not waste our time.
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Phoenix63 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 04:42 PM
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42. Not going to help...
When a Vietnam vet with a Purple Heart is painted as the un-patriotic one while the guy who's daddy got him into the National Guard to avoid service is painted as the Tough American Patriot then service is no longer an issue...

Remember the Republicans went as far as to put out "Purple Heart" band-aids to show how the man who went to war and got injured was weaker than the man who avoided it.

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