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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:56 PM
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Gary Tuckman on Eliott Spitzer's show: Obama can get a copy of his long form birth
Certificate under Hawaii's freedom of info act.

If he mailed a request it would take weeks to execute the request. If he went down in person he could get a copy right there.

None of those long form certificates would be certified by the DOH. The only form they do certify is the short form which Obama has already shown. Therefore the long form is not as official as the short form we have already seen.

They are having the former head of the Hawaii DOH on CNN later. She is an avowed Republican and has seen the real long form in the vault.

FYI.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 08:02 PM
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1. Is a video available of this program to watch online?
Tonight's program sounds like it would be a good one to catch. I can't find it at the CNN site.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 08:05 PM
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2. I have no idea. I think they do transcripts though.
And since the former head of the DOH is supposed to be on TV tonight i assume they will rehash the details.

Unfortunately Piers Morgan is doing the royal wedding. Ugh.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 08:07 PM
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3. I saw the link to the transcripts and maybe I can find some YouTubes for individual segments
:hi:
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 08:22 PM
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4. Saw an ad for Anderson Cooper 360. Looks like this is where the interview will be.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 08:39 PM
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5. Thanks!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 08:49 PM
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6. That conflicts with this:
Why Doesnt President Obama Release His Long-Form Birth Certificate?

Im going to start here, because this is the piece of the puzzle that nagged at me for a long time. For the uninitiated, much of the Birther conspiracy centers around the Obama campaigns release of a Certification of Live Birth (COLB) to prove his eligibility for the office of the presidency, rather than an original long-form birth certificate. The COLB is the equivalent of the certified copy I use whenever I need a birth certificate, or whenever anyone else does the same. Nobody carries around their original birth certificate (although, according to Stephen Wright, George Washington carried around a dollar bill for this purpose).

While Hawaii state officials have sworn that the certified copy is a valid and true copy of the original birth certificate, and have sworn that they have personally inspected the original with their own eyes, they are unable to produce a copy of it for our consumption. In all fairness, there are competing explanations for this. The first, offered at the conclusion of Gov. Neil Abercrombies fruitless quest to end the controversy, is this: (emphasis mine)

State Attorney General David Louie told the governor that privacy laws bar him from disclosing an individuals birth documentation without the persons consent, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said Friday.

Right, so why wont Barry Hussein OSecretmuslimBama give his consent, huh? Well, according to a spokesman for the Hawaii Attorney Generals office, he cant:

Its a Department of Health record and it cant be released to anybody, he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

They cant both be true, right? Well, they kind of are. According to the Hawaii state law in question, Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18(b), only those who meet the specific criteria of having a direct and tangible interest may inspect or have a certified copy issued to them. Now, direct and tangible interest isnt something you get to argue about. Youre either on the list, or youre not. The list consists mainly of those with particular legal relationships with Obama, or those with a court order.

No biggie, though. Weve already seen the certified copy, and heard from those who have inspected the original. But where does the law say Obama cant authorize release of the original, or a copy of the original? From HRS 338-18(a): (emphasis mine)

To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

That means only disclosures specified by law are permitted under any circumstances, and photographing or copying an original record is not listed anywhere, either with or without a direct and tangible interest, or a court order. Unless Eric Cantor changes the law, a photograph or photocopy of Barack Obamas original birth certificate is not permitted under any circumstances. Barack Obama himself couldnt release a photograph of the original record.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/how-to-interview-donald-trum...
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 08:53 PM
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7. but he is still black
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 08:54 PM
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8. hey gary, who gives a flying fuck?
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 09:00 PM
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9. Is that the term officially used 'long form' and 'short form'?
Or is that just jargon from the 'movement'?
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 09:19 PM
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11. It's the "Certificate of Live Birth" vs "Certification of Live Birth"
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 09:12 PM
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10. Unrec for more birther discussion on your part. n/t
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 09:24 PM
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12. it's rather strange having our very own birther here.
I'm more than a little sick of your shit threads on this.

:puke:
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 09:31 PM
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13. What bothers me is wrong information on either side of the fence.
Personally I would rather put this to rest. I know more would rather use this to make fun of all the Birther conspiracy theorists but that isn't where I want to be.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 09:33 PM
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15. sorry, I don't believe that at this point. It has been put to rest
you, like every other birther, just won't accept that. it's disgusting.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 09:42 PM
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19. Not for everyone.
Edited on Mon Apr-25-11 09:45 PM by dkf
I've heard this seriously considered from people around me. I tell them they are deluded but they cling fast to it.

I want Obama to release it so I can prove I am right and don't have to listen to this nonsense any more.

My brother kept on telling me Obama could get his long form and I told him he was wrong. Now I am having to eat my words. But I can still shove the long form in his face.

Irony is my brother isnt a Republican, just very into conspiracy theories.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 11:41 PM
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36. It's too bad you don't have the courage of your convictions.
Of course you KNOW that the President is qualified to be President--speak up!
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 09:38 PM
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16. Good enough for Michele Bachmann, but not good enough for dkf.
:crazy:

:rofl:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 09:39 PM
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17. nothing is ever good enough for birfers.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:11 PM
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21. Am I doubting he was born here in my state? Lol.
You guys are so reading deficient. I'm just contesting the idea that Obama has no way to release a copy of his Certificate of Live Birth. Of course he was born here. I feel a whole lot of pride that he was.

I just find it amazing how so many would prefer to not know the facts. You can't handle the truth and it's such a small thing really.
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:25 PM
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22. As to your question... IDK.
You sure seem hell-bent on pushing the birther POV. Seriously, you already had one of your birther OP's locked.

:shrug:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:56 PM
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31. Are you doubting he was born in your state? You didn't answer the question. Put up or shut up;
was Barack Obama born in the US and does his citizenship qualify him to be President of the United States in your learned opinion?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:54 PM
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30. LOL! Yup. nt
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:36 PM
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25. There's no "either side" any more than there is two sides to the "Is Earth flat?" "discussion".
Fucking troll. FOESADIAF.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:53 PM
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29. Of course that's what bothers you. Bless your heart. nt
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Keith Bee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 09:32 PM
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14. Gary Tuchman used to be a "reporter" for Entertainment Tonight
Go home, Gary.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 09:41 PM
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18. You're really into this birther shit
Don't you understand that Obama could produce the afterbirth with a BORN IN THE USA tattoo on it and they still wouldn't accept it as evidence?

It's not about the birth certificate. It's about hating the president and creating distractions - like birther nonsense.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 09:59 PM
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20. You guys would rather use untruths to defend your point wouldn't you?
I'll support the fact that Obama was born here using facts and evidence, not misunderstandings.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:51 PM
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28. LOL
Whatever.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 11:01 PM
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33. You're a
birther.

Your shit is wearing thin.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:32 PM
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23. Ahem
FUCK. THIS. SHIT.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:34 PM
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24. IBTL.
(IBTT? One can hope.)
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demmiblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:38 PM
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26. For whatever reason...
this one is Kevlar-coated.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:40 PM
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27. Kevlar can be pierced.
Alas, I know of another one that is adamantium-coated.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:59 PM
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32. DKF, quite simple: does Obama meet the "born in the United States" requirement to be President
or does he not, in your opinion?
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 11:16 PM
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34. IMHO, being a birther should be automatic grounds for pizza delivery
Seriously, if someone wants to bring up the most asinine teabagger argument and attempt to give it legitimacy, this might not be the place for that person. Do we really have to entertain this nonsense here.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 11:20 PM
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35. I'm sick and tired of it
and that's not the only obvious violation of DU rules from the OP.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 11:47 PM
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37. IGNORE! We don't KNOW what Obama's ppl have.
It's wait and see.

We sould be talking medicare ans Social security for us and OUR FAMILIES.

WHY ARE WE LETTING THEM SET THE AGENDA ALWAYS?

I'm dead serious. Since the 1970s Rethuglicans are allowed -with the help of their corporate media fiends- to set up distracting silly agendas. Dems come out losing, looking like WIMPS! When will our people go on the offensive? If we never do i can only assume somebody with big balls and bigger bank vaults are running the show.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 11:55 PM
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38. Wait a minute - I'm reading birther dogma ON FUCKING DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND?!
Just go away. Sometimes the devil's advocate act - if it really is an act, in your case - is just an unearned license to be an asshole.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 11:57 PM
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39. You're a birther?
WTF?
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 01:33 AM
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41. Why, yes, yes he is. -nt
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 12:59 AM
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40. Oh man...
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 01:40 AM
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42. numerous times you have stated you have your long form
So why not post it?
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 02:22 AM
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43. locking
Please do not post R/W talking points.
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