"Allah Honors Wives With Beatings"...How to beat your wife in an honorable way...

[masmdu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E30kBYzPEoA&feature=chan...

This is horrific. Inmam discusses the proper way according to the Koran.

[Marrah_G]

1. So often the worst of human nature is spot-lighted by religion.

[Le Taz Hot]

2. Don't you just love organized religion?

It's not a coincidence that all three Majors are misogynistic and patriarchal.

[leftynyc]

4. Please post

the Christian and Jewish versions of this video. I want to see where both those religions okay wife beating and give lessons. Thanks.

[CTyankee]

7. Jewish versions?

I know of no Jews of any degree of orthodoxy or not that approves of wife beating.

[Matt_in_STL]

9. Christian Domestic Discipline

Just type that into your fancy Google box there and I will wait here for your reasons on why that doesn't count.

[Le Taz Hot]

10. I was speaking of mysogeny in general

but here you go:

2:22 Eve created from Adam's rib.
3:16 Cursed with painful childbirth and domination by husband.
4:17 Cain marries sister?
4:19 Man marries two wives.
12:13-19 Abraham prostitutes wife.
19:1-8 Rape virgin daughters instead of male angels.
19:26 Lot's wife turned into pillar of salt for disobeying god.
19:30-38 Lot impregnates his two daughters while drunk. (So much for "family values"!)
20:2-12 Abraham prostitutes wife - again.
25:1-6 Keeping many concubines is OK.

EXODUS
20:17 Wife as property.
21:4 Wife and children belong to master.
21 -11 OK to sell daughters. Female slaves can be used for sex.
Polygamy permitted. Unwanted female slaves can be set "free" without payment of money.
22:18 Kill witches.

LEVITICUS
12:1 Childbirth a sin, Women unclean after childbirth.
15:19-32 Menstruating women are unclean.
20:10-16 Death penalty for homosexuality and various sexual transgressions.
21 Priests must not marry prostitutes or divorcees.
21 Burn daughters.
21:13-14 Priest must marry virgin, not "used" woman.

NUMBERS
1:2 Census lists only men - women do not count.
5:11-31 Fidelity test for women only.
30:1-16 Woman's vow invalid unless approved by her father or husband.
31:17-18 Kill all except virgins. Keep virgins for yourselves.
CH 12 Miriam punished for rebuking Moses.

DEUTERONOMY
20:14 Take women, livestock as plunder.
22:13-21 Stone non-virgin bride.
22:23-24 Stone rapist and rape victim.
22:28 Rape victim must marry rapist; rape victim's father compensated for depreciation of his property.
25:11-12 Cut woman's hand for touching foe's penis.
24:1-5 Man can "send" wife from HIS house. Man must not marry "used" woman.
28:18 The FRUIT of your womb will be cursed - eclectic "pro-life" verse!

JUDGES
5:30 Women are spoils of war.
14:20 Samson gives wife to another man.
16:1 Samson visits prostitute.
CH 19 Concubine pack-raped and butchered.
21:10-12 Slaughtered all inc. women and children. Saved virgins for wives.
21:21 Abducted girls for wives.

RUTH
Ruth shags Boaz.

1 SAMUEL
15:2-3 Attack Amalekites, kill men, women, children and livestock.
22:19 Kill all inc. infants and livestock.
21:4-5 Men avoid defilement with women.

2 SAMUEL
5:13 David took many wives and concubines.
CH 13 Ammon rapes his own sister.
16:21-22 Absalom sleeps with his father's concubines.
6:20-23 Mischal punished with bareness.

1 KINGS
11:3 Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

2 KINGS
9:30-37 Brutal murder of Jezebel.

2 CHRONICLES
15:13 Put to death unbelievers.
11:21 Hoards of wives and concubines.

ESTHER
CH 1-2 Queen Vashti dethroned for disobedience; setting "bad" example to all other women.

PSALMS
51:5 Sinful since conception.
127:3 Sons are heritage from god.
137 Seizes infants and dashes them against rocks.

PROVERBS
CH 5 Beware of wicked women!
CH 7 More of the above.
6:24 As above.
31:3 Do not waste strength on women.

ISAIAH
3:16-26 Lord punishes haughty women.
4:4 Filthy women.
13:16 Ravish wives, dash infants.
19:16 Will be like women! (insult to Egyptians)

EZEKIEL
9:6-7 Slaughter all including children.
CH 16 Prostitutes, stoning, promiscuity...
CH 23 Tale of two adulterous sisters - reads like the script of a pornographic film. I bet you weren't told this story at Sunday school!

HOSEA
13:16 Rip pregnant women, dash little ones. (Another "pro-life" verse!)

NAHUM
3:4... wanton lust of a harlot... prostitution... witchcraft.
3:5 I will lift your skirts over your face!
3:13... Your troops are all women. (insult to Nineveh)

MATTHEW
5:32 Husband can divorce wife for adultery. Can wife divorce husband for the same?
CH 25 Sexist tale of ten virgins.

LUKE
2:22 Mary must be purified after birth of Jesus.
2:49 Jesus rebukes his mother.

I CORINTHIANS
11:2-10... Woman created for man.
14:34 Women must be silent in churches.

EPHESIANS
5:22-24 Wives must submit to husbands in everything.

COLOSSIANS
3:18 Wives submit to husbands.
3:22 Slaves must obey masters in everything.

I TIMOTHY
2:11-15 Woman must not have authority¦she must be silent. Women can be saved with childbearing.
5 -10 Widows should be faithful to husband and must wash saints' feet.

1 PETER
2:18 Slaves submit to masters, even masters who are harsh.
3:1 Wives submit.
3:5-6 Sarah calls husband master.

REVELATION
CH 17 Destroy great prostitute.
14:4...they did not DEFILE themselves with women but kept themselves pure.


http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/articles/women-bibl...

[Angry Dragon]

13. The god of the Old Testament was a very vengeful god

[Deep13]

15. Yeah, but at least he left you alone after he killed you.

The NT god will torment you in hell forever simply because you believed the wrong thing.

[Recursion]

29. Well, that's significantly later than the NT

The doctrine of Hell didn't arise until the 3rd century or so, and wasn't codified for a while after that.

[Deep13]

34. The NT wasn't compiled and edited until the beginning of the 4th century.

And then there's this from the Sermon on the Mount speech which liberal Christians consider to be among the most important parts of the NT. There are other references too, of course, such as Revelation's lake of fire. So even if the doctrine did not originate until the 3rd century--which by the way is very early in Chrisitanity's formation--it is well grounded in in its foundational documents. And regardless of when it originated, the idea of hell IS part of the Christian canon.

Matt. 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. 25Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. Much of that is from the NT

Many like to pretend that the NT says 'gays are bad' but that it does not say those things about slaves and women. But anyone who quotes the Bible against gay people is citing a pro slavery, anti woman author when they do so.

[Deep13]

14. God hates chicks.

And children.

Must be. Either that or the whole thing is made-up.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

23. and Figs.

that poor fig tree.......

[Recursion]

24. "Christian Domestic Discipline" can just be kinky fun, or it can be abuse

http://www.christiandd.com /

Like most written erotica, this site is pretty much by women, for women, but still...

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[tekisui]

27. Most Muslims do practice peace.

This is no different than saying all Christians participate in Inquisitions, torture and gay-bashing.

[libodem]

5. Whacha readin'?

Thomas Aquanis, who prescribed a rod larger than your finger.

[WatsonT]

6. Too bad it isn't easier for them to leave

we'd be inundated with middle eastern women which is ok with me, and then these assholes would die off in a generation.

[Bunny]

8. Okay, so you got this guys?

The only acceptable reason to beat your wife: she shuts you off in the bedroom. You can't beat her because dinner sucked, or the kids are crying, or whatever. You can only beat her if she's not putting out. So, what are the steps involved? Well, your first option: admonish her. If that doesn't work, your next option: shut HER off! Don't give her any loving and see how SHE likes it!
Sadly, if those methods fail, your last option is to let the beatings begin!

But first, there are rules: do no hit her in the face - for allah's sake, do not make her ugly! Do not curse at her, cause this would... well, I don't actually know what this would do. No more than ten (that's 10) beatings, guys. No broken bones, or teeth, and for crying out loud don't hit her in the eye! (Moe Howard notwithstanding.) Don't raise your hand high - belt her from chest level. Short rods? They're A-OK, but don't leave any marks.

And that, gentlemen, is your guide to religiously sanctioned wife-beating.

[BobbyBoring]

49. Yeah cause you know what?

If they don't learn after 10 beatings, they just aren't going to get it. Time to find a new one!

[cali]

11. MEMRI? Please. Right ring Muslim hating and demonization

what shit. this is like taking some right wing xian nutcase and portraying him to represent all of Christianity.


fucking unrecced to the max.

[snooper2]

12. Bible has it also, If you find out your wife isn't a virgin on wedding night...

all the men in town can murder her by stoning....

Difference between a lot of Muslims and Christians, they actually take their holy book seriously-


"If any man takes a wife, and goes in on her, and detests her, and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings a bad name on her, and says, 'I took this woman, and when I came to her I found she was not a virgin..." (Deuteronomy 22:13,14)

"But if ... evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones..." (Deuteronomy 22:20,21)

[pnwmom]

20. For Christians, the New Testament law replaced the Old.

The passages you quoted were from the Old Testament. Jesus came to proclaim a different law -- love thy neighbor (or wife) as thyself.

[Bluenorthwest]

30. Jesus is a side note. It is alll about Paul and Peter...

And the NT they wrote is filled with orders for women to remain silent, to never wear anything that highlights beauty, never ask a question in pubic, and in private only of her husband. They are forbidden to wear expensive clothes by the same men who say 'gays are bad' yet many famous Christian ladies will dress up in designer gear and go lecture men about how bad gays are. The hypocrisy is stunning. The Bible also, by the way, says that it is all or nothing, you can not change so much as a jot in it.

[pnwmom]

32. Translations matter.

Many of the New Testament passages that have been thought to be misogynistic turn out to have been twisted in translation. But I have never seen a version of the New Testament that says a woman should "never ask a question in public."

And only fundamentalists, a relatively small minority of Christians, believe that the Bible is supposed to be taken literally.

[Bluenorthwest]

38. I know the excuses. And the Scirptures...

1Cor. 14:33: For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
1Cor. 14:34: Let your women be silent in the churches; for it is not permitted to them to speak, but to be in subjection, as the Law also says.
1Cor. 14:35: And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for a woman to speak in a church.

The word 'church' of course means 'gathering'. It is just amusing how the only literal thing in the Bible is 'gays are bad' when the very next passage is explained away using whatever works. Apparently, the anti-gay verses were translated properly, while the rest was not?
You would be making a mistake to think I am not knowledgeable about this subject. And it is funny how the verses about us are literal, but the ones about Christians are 'mistranslations'. Even the President says he is opposed to our rights "Because I am a Christian". Guess he thinks the translation is correct on that one, but not about the stuff that might apply to his family. Damn convenient way of thinking. Let your yes mean yes, your no mean no.

[snooper2]

33. yeah yeah, they threw out the hateful god for the "loving" god...

same thing still...my point still stands--

Muslims take their holy book seriously...


Some New Testament verses-

Okay to sell your wife and kids to pay off debt

Matthew 18:25: "But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made."

New Testament says to kill the Jews here

For there are many insubordinate men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially the circumcision party; they must be silenced ...(Titus 1:10-11)



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a Canaanite woman ...came out and cried, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely possessed by a demon. But he did not answer her a word. And his disciples came and begged him, saying, "Send her away, for she is crying after us." He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." But she came and knelt before him, saying, "Lord, help me." And he answered, "It is not fair to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." (Matthew 15:23)


" And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck. If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where
'their worm does not die,
and the fire is not quenched.'
Everyone will be salted with fire." (Mark 9:42-49)


" The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers. That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows." (Luke 12:46-48)


" If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned." (John 15:6)

[PassingFair]

48. What Testament are the 10 Commandments in?

Just curious.

[WatsonT]

35. This is an odd response

if this were a post about some baptist preachers saying awful things how many do you think would chime in with: well islam is just as bad, if not worse.

It always happens when Islam is the focus, never in reverse.

[madokie]

16. whip her arse

with a sack of balls is how I do it.

[closeupready]

17. Unrecced. Jewish and Christian scriptures are also misogynistic.

This proves nothing.

[Keith Bee]

31. +1

[WatsonT]

39. And you can post videos of Rabbis and Preachers advising on the proper

Jewish/Christian way to beat your wife?

[closeupready]

41. I would if I were a bigot.

But I'm not - rather, like most here on DU, I don't believe in scapegoating minorities. Do you disagree?

[WatsonT]

43. You would if they existed

they don't.

And I have no problem treating people differently according to their stated beliefs, particularly regarding wife beating.

Not all muslims do this of course, but islam does seem to be particularly bad when it comes to treatment of women.

Despite the mantra not all religions are the same. Some are better than others which means some are worse.

And no matter how much you try you will never manage to equate religion with race, gender, etc. Disliking someone for the color of their skin is wrong. Disliking them for their stated beliefs? Depends. Religion is like politics: perfectly acceptable to judge someone based on their politics, right?

[closeupready]

50. You would cure cancer if a cure existed. Therefore, there is no cure for cancer.

Sound logic you're using there.

[Xenotime]

18. Is this really any different than Shakespeare's Taming of the Shrew?

Nobody gets pissed about that, do they?

[Recursion]

25. Petruchio never hits Kate

She beats the everliving crap out of him, though

[WatsonT]

40. One is a play, the other has real world consequences

People tend to get more upset about actual murders than ones they see in movies, for instance.

[kestrel91316]

19. No different than the fundie christians who say it's ok for a husband to

physically discipline his wife.

Assholes come in lots of different colors and stripes.

[The Straight Story]

21. I am writing a bot, just for DU, to automate some replies:

Anytime there is a thread about a christian it will autoreply "Does not matter, Islam and Judaism are the same", when there is a thread about catholic priests molesting kids, same reply and this one "So do many teachers and coaches".

Seems like folks will rip someone a new asshole if they are christian (bet if this was a christian video no one would mention other religions) and when someone is another faith they rush in to say 'christians do it to, so don't complain'.

And let's not forget all the atheist regimes in history who have not been very nice to women/others either.

[WatsonT]

36. I had that same thought

Any story about a Islam in a negative light invariably elicits "oh yeah well christianity is far worse because . . . " responses.

Never do you see the converse.

It's bizarre.

And I'm not a Christian so I'm not personally outraged or biased here. No dog in the fight but I do recognize the unfair discrepancy.

[WolverineDG]

26. Men have always rationalized beating women

not just through religion. English law held that you could beat your wife with a rod, provided the rod was no wider than your thumb (rule of thumb).

I just bet there are more Muslims who don't beat their wives & don't believe this crap than those that do.

dg

[Chorophyll]

37. Yup. Thank you. In many cultures throughout history,

women were (are) seen as the property of their husbands or their fathers, and beatings were accepted.

BTW, the first thing I thought when I saw this post was that it would be right at home on Free Republic. Also, there's only one "n" in "imam."

[woo me with science]

28. A Tale of Two Wikipedia articles:

Islam and Domestic Violence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_domestic_violenc...

Christianity and Domestic Violence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_domestic_...

[closeupready]

42. Zero Recs and Counting! LOL

I'm proud of DU today for this.

[masmdu]

44. No, the comparison to Christianity and Judaism doesn't hold up...

Yes, the scriptures may have historical examples of misogyny but do we see it in practice in the same manner it is found in present day followers of Islam?

Not even close.

[WatsonT]

45. Apparently it's bigotry to point that out

Don't ask me why but that seems to be the consensus.

[houstonintc]

46. Is it any different then how...

...women can attack their husbands in this culture?

Ideally we either have a society where everyone can hit each other or nobody can hit one another.

[WatsonT]

47. In that culture women are viewed as animals essentially

so you can discipline a dog, but if it bites back you get it put down.

Same deal with women in these repressive fundamentalist regions.

[mopinko]

51. locking

it is the consensus of the moderators that this post is insensitive to muslims, so we are locking it.
thanks