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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:11 PM
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Libyan Revolution Day 67
Links to sites with updates: AJE Live Blog April 25 (today) AJE Twitter Dashboard The Guardian Reuters Telegraph feb17.info Libya Alhurra (live video webcast from Benghazi) libyafeb17.com

Twitter links: Ayman Mohyeldin, with AJE Ben Wedeman, with CNN tripolitanian, a Libyan from Tripoli Brian Conley, reporter in Libya FreeLibyanYouth, Libyan advocate LibyaFeb17.com twitter account ChangeInLibya, Libyan advocate

Useful links: feb17voices Current time in Libya Prayer times in Libya

Day 66 here.

Marching On in Libya, for the revolutionaries!


Libyan children play on a tank

Photograph: Reuters




The Face of Libya's Revolution
Its not a freedom fighter atop a tank but a young bohemian woman in Benghazi reviving a carnival banned by Gaddafi and singing songs of protest. Ann Marlowe reports on an extraordinary utopian moment in the free city.

The most interesting news here in Free Libya isnt war but peaceand cultural vitality. Signs everywhere say, We began it peacefully and we will end it peacefully, and the utopian social transformation is much more interesting than the stalemated war.

The front line was here on March 19, when Gaddafis troops and lijan thureah, or local revolutionary committees, killed fighters defending the city. And on the 20th, they deliberately struck civilians, sometimes aiming RPGs at family cars. Dr. Hajer al Jahmi, 27, a third-year emergency medicine resident at Benghazi Medical Center, saw a huge sack of human body parts brought into the ER.

But just a few weeks later, resilient twentysomething Libyans, almost all of them working outside their professional fields, have created an embryonic civil society and culture. The shabbab cool, or cool youth, who gave the Revolution of February 17 much of its visual flavorthe witty signs like NATO Air: Just Do It; the homemade T-shirts and capshave turned their energies to writing, photography, documentary filmmaking, and rock n roll. Their inspirations and style come from global youth cultureeveryone is on Facebook and Twitterbut their seriousness of purpose and maturity reflect the trauma their city recently endured.


Libya: Regime forces batter Misrata hours after claiming siege on hold
Forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi pounded Misrata on Sunday, hours after the Libyan government claimed its troops had pulled back from the besieged city to let tribal leaders try to negotiate a political resolution, or unleash a "bloody" assault.

Using multi-barrelled rocket launchers and tanks positioned at the edge of Misrata, loyalist troops fired hundreds of missiles at the city. At least six people, most of them civilians, were pronounced dead at the main hospital by midday. Dozens of injured were also treated. "There has been a lot of shelling," said Anas Rajab, a doctor. "It looks like today will be another crisis day."

As the attacks continued, Mustafa Abdel Jalil, head of the Libyan rebel national council, said that Kuwait is to contribute 50m dinars (110m) to the rebel council.


Gadhafi unleashes rocket barrage on rebel city
TRIPOLI, Libya Moammar Gadhafi's forces unleashed a barrage of shells and rockets at Misrata on Sunday in an especially bloody weekend, countering Libyan government claims that the army was holding its fire into the western city.

Despite the barrage, which doctors say killed 32 and wounded dozens in two days, rebels said they drove the last pro-government forces from the center of Libya's third-largest city. Morale among Gadhafi's troops fighting in Misrata has collapsed, with some abandoning their posts, said one captured Libyan soldier.

The battle for Misrata, which has claimed hundreds of lives in the past two months, has become the focal point of Libya's armed rebellion against Gadhafi since fighting elsewhere is deadlocked.


Libya: radio presenter from Leeds helping to keep rebel spirits high
Salim Betmal, a Leeds University-educated lecturer, is now a DJ in Radio Free Libya Misurata, which delivers news and music to residents who have no contact with the outside world.

"Imagine you live in a society with all these fears. You have to give people a lot of support," he said. "We have to do this even in the songs that we broadcast.

"We do this with songs calling for patience, songs about freedom and songs saying the price of freedom is not cheap."

Broadcasts try to feature the latest on frontline fighting and availability of food and water, as well as quashing the panicked rumours which spread in wartime, he said.


Egypt should block funds to Gaddafi - Libya rebels
(Reuters) - Libya's rebel national council has asked Egyptian authorities to stop Libyans based in Egypt trying to destabilise rebel-held eastern Libya and funding Muammar Gaddafi's government, the head of the council said on Sunday.

Mustafa Abdel Jalil said he had contacted Egypt's interim government and asked them to prevent Gaddafi's cousin Ahmed Gaddaf al-Dam and his aides from selling Libyan assets in Egypt to raise money for the Tripoli government, which is subject to U.N. financial and economic sanctions.

He also told Al Jazeera television Gaddaf al-Dam had paid Egyptians to enter eastern Libya and stir up opposition to its rebel leaders.

Gaddaf al-Dam denied the accusation. "I am astonished at this report which is devoid of truth and I remind our brother Abdel Jalil that the sons of the desert never were nor will be anyone's mercenaries or agents," he said in a statement.


Misrata comes under heavy bombardment - Libya rebels
(Reuters) - Forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi bombarded Misrata on Sunday, a day after rebels celebrated the pullback of government troops from the western Libyan city, a rebel spokesman said.

"The situation is very dangerous," rebel spokesman Abdelsalam said by telephone from Misrata. "Gaddafi's brigades started random bombardment in the early hours of this morning. The bombardment is still going on."

Captured government troops said on Saturday they had been ordered to retreat from Misrata -- the only major rebel-held city in western Libya -- after a siege of nearly two months, and rebels fighting to overthrow Gaddafi had claimed victory.


Pope calls for diplomacy in Libya
Pope Benedict XVI called for diplomacy to prevail over fighting in Libya, for nations to welcome refugees from conflict and for Middle East leaders to respect their citizens in an Easter address.

Benedict celebrated mass in St Peter's Square, which was packed with pilgrims and tourists. He told the crowd: "In the current conflict in Libya, may diplomacy and dialogue replace arms, and may those who suffer as a result of the conflict be given access to humanitarian aid."

Referring to northern Africa and the Middle East, the pope prayed for a society where "every political choice is inspired by respect for the human person".


Didn't feel this was particularly noteworthy, but it's news.




Click here for updated map


Video of the convoy sent to take Benghazi, taken from a dead soliders cell phone (shows how massive the operation was): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWwOeZqz6M

Sky News went with Gaddafi minders to find a "civilian town bombed" only they were never shown any such thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5KJavfiQo

TNC presser talking about various details of the revolution (thanks to Waiting for Everyone): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Topic on the women of the revolution, dispels myths that they are treated poorly: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Videos to bring the Libyan Revolution into context:

The Battle of Benghazi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vChMDuNd0

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaPnMnpCAA

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzwQvcx62s

Tea of Freedom Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5tu5bJWKc

Latest indiscriminate shelling in Misurata: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wop3C4zrPXI

Text of the resolution.

How will a no fly zone work? AJE reports: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWEwehTtK2k

Canada: Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission Norway: Norway to join military intervention in Libya Belgium: Belgium ready for a military operation in Libya Qatar and the UAE: Run-up for Western worlds next military commitment ... with unusual support Denmark: Denmark ready for action against Gaddafi France: Following U.N. Vote, France Vows Libya Action Soon Italy: Italy to make bases available for Libya no-fly zone-source United Kingdom: Libya: UK forces prepare after UN no-fly zone vote United States: Nations draw up plans for no-fly zone over Libya Jordan: Military strikes on Libya 'within hours' Spain: Spain Expected to Join NATO No-fly Zone Enforcement over Libya

"One month ago (Western countries) were sooo nice, so nice like pussycats," Saif says in a contemptuous sing-song tone."Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers. (But) soon they will come back, and cut oil deals, contracts. We know this game." - Saif Gaddafi


(Yeah, Saif, as if you weren't "cutting oil deals, contracts" with western states. Who are the 'tigers' now? Bombing your own people.)

A Legal War: The United Nations Participation Act and Libya
The above link is to an overview of why Obama's implementation of the NFZ and R2P is perfectly legal under the law. I will not post it entirely here, however, all objections come down to the misinformed position that Obama, by using forces in Libya, was invoking Article 43 of the United Nations. This is wrong. Obama invoked Article 42, which does not require congressional approval to implement. Proof of this is that Article 43 has never been used.

It goes like this: The US law (Title 22, Chap. 7, Subchap. XIV 287d) grants the President the right to invoke UN Article 42 without authorization, the War Powers Act (Title 50, Chap. 33 1541) grants the President permission to act without authorization under "specific statutory authorization" which, by definition, is what 287d does. 1543 of the War Powers Act requires the President to report to Congress, which he did. One can argue all day and night about the legality of the War Powers Act, doesn't change the fact that under the law as it is written, the President acted within the law.


March 10 7:28pm Saif al Islam Gaddafi says "the time has come for full-scale military action" against Libyan rebels. He goes on to say that Libyan forces loyal to his family "will never surrender, even if western powers intervene".


Libyan Karzai? Chalabi? Forget it
Fortunately, the Council wasn't made-in-the-USA or manufactured by another foreign power. Rather it came into existence, a month ago, at Libyans' own initiative, soon after the winds of revolutionary change blew Libya's way, and after its people rose to the occasion with pride and courage.


Getting Libya's Rebels Wrong
Don't buy Qaddafi's line: The rebels aren't al Qaeda.


Who Are the Rebels?
During weeks of reporting in Benghazi and along the chaotic, shifting front line, Ive spent a great deal of time with these volunteers. The hard core of the fighters has been the shababthe young people whose protests in mid-February sparked the uprising. They range from street toughs to university students (many in computer science, engineering, or medicine), and have been joined by unemployed hipsters and middle-aged mechanics, merchants, and storekeepers. There is a contingent of workers for foreign companies: oil and maritime engineers, construction supervisors, translators. There are former soldiers, their gunstocks painted red, green, and blackthe suddenly ubiquitous colors of the pre-Qaddafi Libyan flag.


A vision of a democratic Libya
The interim national council, formed by opposition groups in Libya, has said it will hold free and fair elections and draft a national constitution. Here is its eight-point plan in full.


The left: slipping towards Qaddafi?
When the revolt against Qaddafi started in Libya, hardly anyone on the left however broadly defined could say anything in defence of Qaddafi.

With the start of the "no-fly zone", many on the left started to sideline the issues within Libya and focus their efforts on denouncing NATO.

Now the denunciation of NATO, in turn, is acting as a lever to introduce defence of Qaddafi and denunciation of the rebels into broad-left discourse.

Everything is done by insinuation and sarcasm, just as old-style Stalinists used to deflect criticism of the USSR by studied wondering whether the regime was quite as bad as extreme Western right-wingers used to say, or whether the right-wingers' motives for criticism might be suspect.



Mohammed Nabbous, killed by Gaddafi's forces while trying to report on the massacre in Benghazi

"I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid to lose the battle" -Mohammed Nabbous, a month ago when all this began


I'm struggling to come up with something to say about this man. I was not aware of the Libyan uprising until I saw Mo's first report, begging for help, posted here on DU. I was stricken. Here was a man giving everything he had to explain a situation that clearly terrified him, I would not call him a coward in that moment, but you could see the fear in his eyes, and desperation in his voice. For 30 days Nabbous would spend many hours covering the uprising in Benghazi. For many nights I would go to sleep with the webcast of Benghazi live on my computer screen, looking to it occasionally to be sure it was still 'there.' Mo treated the chat room as if we were his friends, and in some way, we were. I never signed up to LiveStream to thank him for all his work and it seems somewhat shallow to do so now, given that I was a lurker for so long. Ever since I took over posting these threads "Libya Alhurra" has been linked as a source of information. It wasn't until last night, when I posted, and twitter posted on Mo's adventures out into Benghazi to try to determine the truth of the situation, that Mo's webchannel became a hit, over 2000 people were watching him stream live. This was curious to him because he'd done many reports like this in the past but he appeared somewhat bemused that the view count exploded as it did. Last night Mo became a star. This is a man who first started out with a webcast replete with fear and desperation finally overcoming that aspect of himself and losing that fear, to become someone who was a fighter for the resistance just as much as those who held the guns. Reporting on the front lines of Benghazi became his final act, and for that he should never, ever be forgotten. I'm so sorry Mo that I never got to know you better.

Mo's first report, which many of you may remember, begging for help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EXALI60hg

Mo's last report, a fallen hero trying to spread the word to the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecu_iWLn-rg

Mo leaves behind a wife who is with child, she had this to say about the No Fly Zone and R2P UN resolution:

We started this in a pure way, but he turned it bloody. Thousands of our men, women, and children have died. We just wanted our freedom, that's all we wanted, we didn't want power. Before, we could not do a single thing if it was not the way he wanted it. All we wanted was freedom. All we wanted was to be free. We have paid with our blood, with our families, with our men, and we're not going to give up. We are still going to do that no matter what it takes, but we need help. We want to do this ourselves, but we don't have the weapons, the technology, the things we need. I don't want anyone to say that Libya got liberated by anybody else. If NATO didn't start moving when they did, I assure you, I assure you, half of Benghazi if not more would have been killed. If they stop helping us, we are going to be all killed because he has no mercy anymore.


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:12 PM
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1. Current time in Libya, 12:12am Monday, April 25
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:16 PM
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2. Forget Freedom
Forget Freedom
"If someone kills your brother in London, what would you do? said one of Gaddafis minders, as we stood in a corridor at 1am waiting for an interview with the deputy Foreign Minister.

Its the kind of menacing small talk that comes out of the blue every day at the Rixos Hotel Tripoli, the centre of the Libyan Governments media handling operation.

Id go to the police, was my response.

You see, in Libya, we dont do that. We kill them. A man kills my brother, I will go and kill him. Then maybe our tribes will sit down over some tea and all will be fine. So let me ask you who has more freedom? Me or you?


Wow, thanks to tabatha for this powerful article, the full thing is a must read. The minders are probably most indicative of the regime of all, and if they're seeing Gaddafi gone, it says a lot.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:49 PM
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17. He's going to get some of those minders arrested.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:18 PM
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3. Gaddafi Dictionary
marlasinger1979‎ RT @bjoernen_dk: Gaddafi Dictionary: Cease fire = Increase fire. Election = Execution. Withdraw = Destroy. Tribes = LUNA-M. #Libya #Misrata
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:20 PM
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4. Anita McNaught says that Libyan towns at the Tunisian border have been raging their own battles
12:00am Al Jazeera's Anita McNaught, reporting from Tatouine, Tunisia (at the Libyan border) said that the Libyan towns at the Tunisian border have been raging their own battles, but with fewer journalists there, the images of the fighting and destruction have not yet been seen.

She said that the rebel success in opening the border crossing is a "slap" in the face of pro-Gaddafi forces.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:24 PM
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5. Libya: The battles that raged on when no one was looking
Edited on Sun Apr-24-11 05:24 PM by tabatha
http://youtu.be/B0bhiD8KphA

Youtube for that comment.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:26 PM
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7. Thanks, didn't see the video aspect of the report.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:25 PM
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6. Wave of enforced disappearances in Syria
Wave of enforced disappearances in Syria
At least 221 Syrians have gone missing in the past three days of the violent crackdown on pro-democracy protests, said Insan, a Syrian human rights organisation, with many feared forcibly disappeared.

Working with a team of human rights researchers inside Syria, Insan said it had documented the names of 221 Syrians missing since the early hours of Friday morning, none of whom the authorities had acknowledged holding in detention.

"We are not counting people who we know have been detained. We are strictly talking here about people whose families do not know if they are dead or alive. People who have disappeared," said Wissam Tarif, executive director of Insan.

The rights group and its network inside Syria had spoken to close family members of all 221 missing persons, said Tarif, and while some had yet to make contact with the security services, most families had been told by authorities that their relative was not being held.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:30 PM
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8. daily unrec for redundance and
pro-imperialist/militaristic/interventionist agenda.

Washington Consensus-orchestrated regime change/coup DOES NOT EQUAL revolution.
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UnseenUndergrad Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:43 PM
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13. Makeup Rec
Edited on Sun Apr-24-11 05:44 PM by UnseenUndergrad
For the people of Libya and the West finally choosing the right side.

However, for the other side...

"Nothing less than DEATH will be the reward for you American running-dogs of Imperialism!"

Worst used-car sales pitch I ever heard.
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:47 PM
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15. Just wondering if you actually visit any of the link posted in these threads?
I'm guessing the answer's no, which is a pity, but if so it might shake the certainty of your opinions.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 06:07 PM
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21. Gobbledygook does not help save Libyan lives.
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Frank Ness Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 06:14 PM
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23. So true... so true
We coax rebellion, then flounder support.

Will this country ie THE PEOPLE ever learn ?

Military action on foreign soil needs much more thought and discussion. May be even Congressional Debate ?????

We, the public have been duped again.... and the Libyan rebels will suffer for our meddling.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 04:04 AM
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53. "Libyan rebels will suffer for our meddling."
I think the Libyan rebels were already suffering, along with their neighbors in Tunisia, Egypt, and Yemen.
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Frank Ness Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 03:15 AM
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110. Momar will not give in....
We have encouraged these rebels to do our dirty work for us. With out exterior support, they would be crushed. Its only a matter of time before they will need UN Troops (US Troops) on the ground to finish this job. Or we just bomb the crap out of their oppressive dictator. Both actions should require serious debate and decisions about our level of involvement.

Yet we permit our president(s) to wildly wade into these actions with half assed plans. When will we learn? You cant be successful in war with a 50% commitment. Ask the Kurds. If Momar is not defeated, he will destroy all those who opposed him.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:57 AM
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84. How did we coax the rebellion?
By helping to install Gaddafi and shoring him up and selling him weapons? I can see that. Supporting oppressive dictators will eventually not end well.

The Libyans would have died while you were debating, and the debate would not have been logical or informed. Our Congress is, for the most part, insane, ignorant, and fascist. No doubt a debate would have ended in "Let's invade them and kill all the Islamist terrorist towelheads! Kick their ass and take their gas!"

How will they suffer? If the countries helping them don't leave and try to install a puppet government? France, Italy, Kuwait, Qatar, and Gambia have all recognized the transitional council as the legitimate government of Libya, and members of the council have met with British and American leaders as well as other countries. It would be extremely politically hard to install another oppressive dictator at this point.

The Libyans are not under any illusions. They know that help from the West comes at a price. But they looked at the forces ranged against them and decided it was worth it to pay that price. It's not for us to second-guess them. What we can do is support them and pressure our governments to do the right thing by them.

And from what I have seen these last few months - if anyone did try to install a puppet, the Libyans would rise against the puppet. They're pretty serious about this whole "win our freedom or die" thing.
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Frank Ness Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 04:48 PM
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96. If you think we've been sitting idly by .....
while this rebellion gathered steam, you must believe the US has adopted a new foreign policy. We have been instrumental in so many government overthrows, subversively, that one can only come to the conclusion this was orchestrated. There is no secret of the animosity towards Momar... sure its an assumption.

I'm just disgusted with our involvement abroad.

Where is the declaration of war ? When you drop bombs on capitals, that is pretty much considered an act of war, especially to those on the ground. THIS IS NON OF OUR BUSINESS.

It is an unconstitutional act of aggression. It wasn't right when Bush did it, when Clinton did it, when Bush1 did it, when Regan did it. How is it OK now ? Oh wait, it was 'our favorite guy' who did it.... :wtf:

Wake up Democrats. The War Machine rules this country. No protests ? I am ashamed. Is Dennis Kucinich the only one with guts anymore ? Double standard Demos... I want no part of this party if that's the way its developing.

This is conflict reeks with neo-con involvement.
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TimesSqCowboy Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 07:57 PM
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30. Amen.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 04:06 AM
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54. Blame it on the French...
:9
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 12:10 AM
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108. Yep. Seems like *some* progressives jumped on that rw bandwagon.
Sad.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-11 12:24 AM
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109. Good to see you here, Amonester
I noticed your posts in some of the other threads. Hope to see more of you here in the Libya threads. :hi:






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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:31 PM
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9. Man attempts to hijack Alitalia Paris-Rome flight (and divert to Tripoli)
Man attempts to hijack Alitalia Paris-Rome flight
A man has been overpowered by cabin crew on an Alitalia flight from Paris to Rome, after he drew out a small knife and demanded the plane divert to the Libyan capital, Tripoli.

A female flight attendant was slightly injured as the man was subdued.

The suspect, from Kazakhstan, was handed over to police and arrested after the plane landed at Rome's Fiumicino airport at 2005 GMT.

He was reportedly "in a very confused state of mind", news agencies report.


A DUer? j/k
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:34 PM
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10. K&R...
...and it's good to be back! I was off repairing my computer problems. Still not all the way home, but "HAL" is behaving much better now. It looks like I actually am able to post! :woohoo:


:hi:






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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:35 PM
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11. pinboy3niner! I was wondering where you were.
I'm glad you're back, I just figured you were taking a well needed break. :hi:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:47 PM
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16. Sorry to leave you in the lurch like that, Josh
Looks like Tabatha and Iterate came through, as I knew they would.

I have some more repairs to do, but a big breakthrough restored me to a decent state of functionality. What a difference!






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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:51 PM
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18. No way!
Don't apologize for anything! DU still has a large enough Libyan support group. :hug:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:40 PM
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12. Juan Cole: Fighting Rages in Misrata despite Withdrawal Pledge
Fighting Rages in Misrata despite Withdrawal Pledge
Fighting continued in Misrata on Sunday morning despite claims of the Qaddafi regime that it was withdrawing its troops from the city, which seems to have been a bald-faced lie.

In fact, Saturday saw unusually heavy fighting in the besieged city, with some 25 dead and 100 wounded.

It is possible that the Qaddafi government is attempting to trick the Free Libya forces in the city into over-extending themselves, so that the Qaddafi loyalists can cut them off and destroy them. It is also possible that some uniformed troops are being replaced by tribal irregulars, as a way of confusing American drones The latter fly low and have cameras that can reveal details of targets down to their facial features. Regular Qaddafi brigades in uniforms who are indiscriminately shelling civilian areas would be sitting ducks for such drone strikes, but tribal levies in civvies might be able to confuse the drone operators.

Some reports are saying that what Qaddafi has actually done is to give his regular troops an ultimatum that if they dont soon take Misrata he will withdraw (and presumably punish them) and send in tribal levies instead.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:44 PM
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14. Twitter just blew up with tweets about Libyan State TV being taken offline.
Edited on Sun Apr-24-11 05:45 PM by joshcryer
Grain of salt, etc. We'll see if it pans out.

example: @Tripolitanian
Libyan
CONFIRMED: #Libya State TV off on NILESAT (6/7), HOTBIRD, ARABSAT, GALAXY19
41 seconds ago http://twitter.com/#!/Tripolitanian/status/622856899742...
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 05:53 PM
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19. Yeah, I'd wait for confirmation
The main clique on Twitter has expressed some doubts about the Tripolitanian account lately.

Just saw this tweet.

@fpleitgenCNN

State TV was offline, signal back up. Seems like Bab al Aziziah has been hit.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 06:05 PM
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20. Three Libyan state TV stations go off air after explosions
Edited on Sun Apr-24-11 06:06 PM by tabatha
Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:52pm GMT
TRIPOLI, April 24 (Reuters) - Three Libyan state television stations went briefly off air after three loud explosions were heard in central Tripoli soon after midnight.

Libyan Television, Jamahiriya and Shababiya all stopped broadcasting but returned to air within half an hour.
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73N0CG20...
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 06:12 PM
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22. 'No humanity left' in Syria
'No humanity left' in Syria
...

An old military technique that I learned from the US Marine Corps about after years in Iraq: Soldiers will simply take two posts, put them at approximately "two o'clock and ten o'clock" as your eyes would scan the horizon: a certain distance out - fire off a few rounds until you hit the post. Then mark that spot on the machine guns sightings - and just like that ... you've got yourself a "pre-sighted kill zone".

A kill zone. The name says it all. US marines have a particular knack for naming things that describe exactly what they really are.

I knew that day, seeing those posts and that "kill zone" that the government was taking these small demonstrations (at the time) very seriously. Syria up until these past five weeks had been a quiet country, while the rest of the region seemed to continue to burn.

Of course it became clear the day before, on April the 22nd, that the government would no longer stand for the type of dissent that had spread: clear opposition to the regime. Over a hundred people were killed across the country on a bloody Friday, the bloodiest since the protests began.

...


Need a smoke after reading that. Jesus. Whole article is a must read.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 06:15 PM
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24. AJE live blog just posted a link to an incredible photo gallery set up by Evan Hill:
Edited on Sun Apr-24-11 06:15 PM by joshcryer
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aljazeeraenglish/565055264... /

Remember the hairdresser revolutionaries I spoke of? :rofl:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 06:42 PM
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25. Tripoli. No gas.
Edited on Sun Apr-24-11 06:44 PM by tabatha
LPC #Tripoli: No gas. This will hurt #Gaddafi most, city will shut down "whether he likes it or not." #Libya


http://audioboo.fm/boos/339724-lpc-tripoli-no-gas-this-...
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 06:51 PM
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26. Sky's Alex Crawford: Misratah Fighting Rages Despite Claims
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 07:19 PM
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27. Alex Crawford is a hero, I love how she just stopped them to ask their former occupations.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 04:11 AM
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55. And this one, "he has no job at all."
:shrug:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:06 AM
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67. He seemed slightly ashamed about that, too.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 07:24 PM
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28. Gaddafi clings to Tripoli but for how long?
Gaddafi clings to Tripoli but for how long?
...

Tripoli is the wild card in the deadlock that has gripped Libya's two-month-old rebellion. Rebels control roughly the eastern half of the country, Gaddafi's regime most of the west. International air strikes have prevented Gaddafi's forces from taking back rebel territory, but the opposition has been unable to advance on the west to oust the Libyan leader. An uprising in the capital with a million people could dramatically change that equation, which is why the government has clamped down so hard. The internet has been disrupted, and dissidents say people avoid speaking openly, even to friends. There's also little contact with the rebel movement in the east, a rebel spokesman said.

Some believe the wall of fear protecting Gaddafi may soon be coming down.

"I think that we are reaching a tipping point," said Peter Bouckaert, a Libya expert and director of emergency response at Human Rights Watch. "From our discussions with people in many of the western cities, they are waiting for the moment to join the protests."

Government officials claim Tripoli is solidly behind Gaddafi, saying the regime has released hundreds of thousands of rifles into the streets to arm ordinary people for a home front. And some Tripoli residents told reporters they blame the West for their troubles, not their leader of 42 years. "We are not isolated; it is not Gaddafi against the nation," said Moussa Ibrahim, a government spokesman. "How is it that you would arm a nation that would fight against you?"


This was posted before, the Peter Bouckaert quote, but it is a new article overall.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 07:40 PM
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29. Libyan Rebels Say They Have Control of Misurata
BENGHAZI, Libya Rebel leaders said they had consolidated their control of the western city of Misurata on Sunday, taking over the last two government outposts there even as government forces continued to shell the city from its outskirts.

Government spokesmen asserted that Libyan forces had withdrawn from the city voluntarily on Saturday to allow for a 48-hour cease-fire, during which tribal leaders could negotiate the rebels surrender.

There was no sign of a cease-fire, however, or negotiations.

The shelling diminished Sunday, but it still killed eight people and wounded 38, according to a rebel spokesman in Misurata, reached by Internet telephone and identified only as Mohammed for his security. On Saturday, as government forces withdrew, he said, 36 people were killed and more than 100 were wounded.


Christophe Simon/Agence France-Presse - Getty Images

Libyan rebels took a break on Sunday in Misurata near a building where forces loyal to Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi were believed to be holed up. Though shelling by government forces diminished, it still killed eight and wounded 38, a rebel spokesman said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/25/world/africa/25libya....
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 08:03 PM
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31. The liberation of the Faculty of Medical Technology Misurata - video (warning, graphic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iy4fsaD3Ug

That one Libyan who leaps over the wall appears to have gotten the bulldozer guy to come in for the rescue. I don't think it's the same guy because he has a coat on. They lay down suppressive fire to rescue the (likely mortally) injured guy.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 08:09 PM
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32. They are amazingly fit and energetic.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 08:21 PM
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33. Tweets
Edited on Sun Apr-24-11 08:24 PM by tabatha
jfweber‎ RT @ChangeInLibya: MISRATA BREAKING: 8 martyrs in the last 30 minutes, one was a family of 7 and their bodies arrived to hospital as ashes. #libya #feb17

kishkafka‎ RT @AlmanaraMedia: #Misurata: 8 Martyrs in the past few minutes and over 100 wounded from the attack of #Gaddafi forces on the city tonight || #Libya

kishkafka‎ RT @Tripolitanian: 9 wounded in #Zintan including a 3 year old boy wounded critically - hospitals lacking proper medical supplies | #Libya #Feb17

Tripoli: Aljazeera and Arabiya saying someone (important?) was killed tonight, after French strike flattened Gaddafi's office #libya #feb17
(they were warned aot)

sondos910‎ RT @Qahtani: Breaking: #Misrata shelling stopped after airstrikes by @NATO #Feb17 #libya


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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 08:22 PM
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34. Hague warns over Libya troops ruse
The withdrawal of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's forces from the besieged Libyan city of Misrata may only be a ruse, Foreign Secretary William Hague has warned.

Rebel leaders in the city were celebrating a major victory after the regime announced on Saturday that it was pulling back its troops after almost two months of fighting which has left hundreds dead.

Mr Hague however said that it might simply represent a change of tactics, and called on the international coalition to maintain its pressure on the Libyan dictator.

"Reports of the Gaddafi forces completely pulling out of Misrata seem to be exaggerated," Mr Hague told BBC1's The Andrew Marr Show. "This may be cover for using more insurgency-type warfare without any uniforms and without tanks."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/9612182?utm_ca...


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 08:38 PM
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35. Witnesses: NATO airstrike flattens building inside Gaddafi's Bab al-Aziziyah compount in Tripoli
Witnesses tell Reuters that a NATO airstrike has struck (actually, they say "flattens") a building inside Muammar Gaddafi's Bab al-Aziziyah compount in Tripoli.

2:57am:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...






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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 08:54 PM
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37. NATO jets strike inside Gaddafi compound
Edited on Sun Apr-24-11 08:56 PM by tabatha
Libya official says Gaddafi used building for ministerial meetings;

A NATO air strike flattened a building inside Muammar Gaddafi's Bab al-Aziziyah compound early on Monday, in what a press official from Gaddafi's government said was an attempt on the Libyan leader's life.

Firefighters were still working to extinguish flames in a part of the wrecked building when journalists were brought on a government-organized trip to the scene, a few hours after three loud explosions shook central Tripoli.

The press official, who asked not to be identified, said Gaddafi used the destroyed building for ministerial and other meetings. She said 45 people were injured, including 15 who were seriously hurt, and some were still unaccounted for after the attack.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=217762&...

sourced from:
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73O00720...
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 08:51 PM
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36. Rebels look for outside help in battle for Libya

Source: Reuters





By Alexander Dziadosz
BENGHAZI, Libya | Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:37pm EDT


...


Rebel leader Mustafa Abdel Jalil told a news conference in Kuwait that the Gulf state had agreed to contribute 50 million Kuwaiti dinars ($177 million) to his rebel council to help pay workers in the east of the country under its control.

"This amount will help us a lot in paying the salaries of employees who did not receive their little salaries for two months," he said. "We are capable of only covering 40 percent of this amount. We are in need of urgent aid."

Abdel Jalil also said the rebels had received weapons from "friends and allies," but did not specify which countries or organisations had donated them.

He said the rebels had asked Egypt to stop Libyans based there from selling assets to fund Gaddafi's government and trying to destabilise rebel territory.

...


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/25/us-libya-idUS...








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 09:00 PM
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38. Berber Rebels in Libyas West Face Long Odds Against Qaddafi

Source: New York Times




By SCOTT SAYARE

Published: April 24, 2011


DHIBA BORDER CROSSING, Tunisia For decades, the remote mountains of western Libya have simmered with resentment. An enclave of the Berber minority, mistrusted and neglected by Col. Muammar el-Qaddafis Arab nationalist government, the regions isolated hamlets were among the first to join the uprising, raising the rebel flag on the first day of the revolt.

...


He has been trying to starve us, said Jamal Maharouk, 47, a gaunt, weathered former soldier of Colonel Qaddafis army, now a rebel fighter. He had driven to a Tunisian hospital in Tataouine, about 50 miles northwest of the Libyan border, to visit a young cousin wounded in battle outside the town of Zintan and secreted across the border for treatment.

Like other fighters, Mr. Maharouk insisted that rebel actions in the area were purely defensive. By my god, these are peaceful people fighting against an evil regime, he said.

The government denies that it has cut off food and utilities, poisoned wells or even that the refugees in Tunisia are really refugees.

...


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/25/world/africa/25wester...








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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 09:07 PM
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39. One day when a book is written about Gaddafi
Edited on Sun Apr-24-11 09:07 PM by tabatha
(it will probably have to be a volume per decade), people are going to ask themselves, how was this allowed to happen?
By my god, these are peaceful people fighting against an evil regime,

I think that statement applies to Gaddafi.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 10:01 PM
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40. The State of Play - Gaddafi Style
To break the monotony of our enforced confinement in Tripolis Rixos al-Nasr Hotel, the Channel 4 News crew decided it was important to indulge, once a day, in some proper escapism. For six nights, we watched episodes of the old BBC series State of Play a pacey conspiracy thriller about journalists.

It was a cruel choice. We all got hooked on a story about investigative reporters. We, on the other hand, were being herded around like goats all day by our government minders and force fed Libyan government propaganda all night in the confines of our hotel. We decided we had to do some proper digging of our own.

So that night, we hatched an escape plan.

Getting past the phalanx of armed guards at the gates of the Rixos sans government minder is hard, but wed obtained a contact who claimed to be a rebel fighter in the heart of the capital and we were determined to meet him. If he was prepared to take the risk, so were we.

http://blogs.channel4.com/world-news-blog/the-state-of-...
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 10:11 PM
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41. Wow, that is amazing, wow!
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 11:15 PM
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42. Libyan Rebels Say They Have Control of Misurata

Source: New York Times




By ROD NORDLAND

Published: April 24, 2011


BENGHAZI, Libya Rebel leaders said they had consolidated their control of the western city of Misurata on Sunday, taking over the last two government outposts there even as government forces continued to shell the city from its outskirts.

...


Mohammed said that among those killed Saturday night was his father, Ali. He said his father died along with a cousin who was trying to rescue him when their neighborhood came under heavy shelling.

The shelling was unprecedented yesterday, both in the intensity and the size of the shells, he said Sunday, describing the bombardment as using heavy artillery, Grad missiles and Katyusha rockets.

Mohammed said he continued to work as a spokesman after burying his father on Sunday. It is very tough, but we are in a war and its my duty, its my way of taking revenge for my father, he said.

...


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/25/world/africa/25libya....








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 11:34 PM
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43. U.S. drones may provide psychological edge in Libya

Source: Los Angeles Times





The decision to unleash the unmanned Predators in Misurata delights rebels fighting to topple Moammar Kadafi. But few believe the aircraft will be the key to victory.


By Ned Parker and Patrick J. McDonnell, Los Angeles Times
April 25, 2011


Reporting from Misurata and Benghazi, Libya The first missile strike by an unmanned Predator against Moammar Kadafi's forces underscores how the drones have become the go-to weapon for an Obama White House wary of being drawn deeper into another messy conflict. But few believe the remote-controlled aircraft are likely to tip the balance in the Libyan stalemate.

Anti-Kadafi rebels who have grumbled about the limited U.S. role in the international air war in Libya were buoyed by Saturday's strike on a rocket launcher in the besieged port city of Misurata.

...


However, only two patrols of armed Predators with each drone capable of carrying a pair of Hellfire missiles have been assigned to Libyan airspace. The limited deployment tends to mitigate the drone's strengths, such as advanced targeting capabilities and an ability to hover over the battlefield.

"The effect in Libya is going to be largely psychological," predicted Anthony Cordesman with the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. "You're not going to have enough of them to conduct a war of attrition against a dispersed force."

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/middleeas...








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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 11:38 PM
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44. Benghazi rebels turn waste into weapons
Benghazi, Libya (CNN) -- Two months ago, Massoud Ojeli was in college, studying English -- but now, he works at a secret makeshift weapons factory in Libya, welding together spare parts to make arms for the country's opposition forces.

"It's a very weird feeling, but I'm proud of this," the 20-year-old Ojeli says with a smile, in between his work crafting rocket launchers in a hot concrete warehouse space in the rebel stronghold of Benghazi.

The rebels granted CNN rare access to a place where elbow grease and ingenuity turn damaged and dented old weapons into rough-and-ready killing machines.

About 200 men volunteer at the factory, arriving around 8 a.m. and leaving around 3 p.m., when the sun is hottest over the dusty landscape.



http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/04/24/libya.weapon...
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 11:51 PM
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45. Qaddafi: NATO tried to assassinate me



April 24, 2011

A powerful air strike on Qaddafi's Tripoli compound leads Libyan government to accuse NATO of assassination attempt


(CBS/AP) TRIPOLI - NATO airstrikes targeted the center of Muammar Qaddafi's seat of power early Monday, destroying a multi-story library and office and badly damaging a reception hall for visiting dignitaries, in what a press official from Qaddafi's government said was an attempt on the Libyan leader's life.



Qaddafi's whereabouts at the time of the attack on his sprawling Bab al-Azizya compound were unclear. A security official at the scene said four people were lightly hurt.

...


A multi-story building that guards said served as Qaddafi's library and office was turned into a pile of twisted metal and broken concrete slabs in Monday's attack. Dozens of Qaddafi supporters climbed atop the ruins, raising Libya's green flag and chanting in support of their leader.


A second building, where Qaddafi received visiting dignitaries, suffered blast damage. The main door was blown open, glass shards were scattered across the ground and picture frames were knocked down.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/24/501364/main20...








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 11:57 PM
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46. Misrata receives humanitarian aid from World Food Program


Misurata received a much needed supply of aid with the arrival of a ship chartered by the World Food Programme.

Humanitarian supplies, including food, medical supplies and three fully working ambulances, were lifted off the WFP ship on Saturday, upon its arrival at the port of the battle-torn, opposition-held city.

One of the ambulances was given courtesy of the Maltese government and the additional two were bought from the UK by the Libyan Non-governmental organisation called 'I-go'.

6:09am:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...







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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:04 AM
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65. Something that no one has asked
How is Gadhafi feeding his army? Libya, with its small population, still imports over 80% of its food. With the economy grinding to a halt over two months ago, how are there not widespread food shortages? How is Libya paying for its imports? If Gadhafi is not reaching a tipping point on food, it can not be that far away.

As Benghazi and Misurata continue to receive food, it should provide the rebels with a significant strategic advantage relative to Gadhafi.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 12:30 AM
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47. The Last Witnesses

Source: Newsweek





War photographers Tim Hetherington and Chris Hondros were killed in Libya last week, telling a story no one wants to hear.



We depend on them for truth, for glimpses into human vileness, even as we cut their jobs and cut their space and treat their work as if its the most disposable part of the ever-shrinking media. When photojournalists Tim Hetherington and Chris Hondros were killed last week in Libya, it made you furious. First, furious at the madmen who took their lives. Then furious at a world so bloody fatigued by war that Tim and Chris were two of the last on the scene to see it to its horrible conclusion. War correspondentsin particular, combat photographershave always worked with their lives on the line. But in the last few decades the body count has risen dramatically. Since 1992, 861 journalists have been killed in the field, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists. The worst years were 2006 and 2007, when more than 200 journalists died, most of them in Iraq. But this year is shaping up to be morbidly historic in its own right. Of the 21 media deaths so far this year, almost half were photographers or cameramen, many of them freelancers.

...



The deaths of two vital young photographers serve as reminders of mortalityand reminders, too, that in the chaos of war, not even the most experienced combat journalists are safe. On the murky front lines of contemporary conflicts, they are no longer considered untouchable observers but rather legitimate targets for kidnappings and killings. When something like this happens, of course I pause and think, is it worth it? says Lynsey Addario, a close friend of Hondros and a longtime war photographer who was captured with three New York Times journalists in Libya last month and held under often brutal conditions for days. Do people really care? Is it worth one of our lives? Is it worth anyones life?


Both Hetherington and Hondros would undoubtedly have answered yes. They were surely motivated by many things: wanderlust, the thrill of seeing history through the shutter, a curious feeling of comfort in conflict zones. But above all, say colleagues, they were driven by a sense of mission, dedicated to the principle of truth-through-proximity.

...



Both Hondros and Hetherington had begun to explore the possibility of life beyond combat photography. Hondros had become engaged a few months before. The last time I saw him was at his New Years party in Brooklyn, recalls Addario. Chris and I went off into the kitchen. He told me he was getting married. He was so excited. Matthew McAllester, a longtime war correspondent, says that Hetherington, too, had began to talk about how this kind of work fits in with having a family, which he was keen on doing.


But he would never find out.

...


http://www.newsweek.com/2011/04/24/the-last-witnesses.h...








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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 12:34 AM
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48. Air strike flattens building in Gaddafi compound
Edited on Mon Apr-25-11 12:34 AM by joshcryer
Air strike flattens building in Gaddafi compound
(Reuters) - NATO forces flattened a building inside Muammar Gaddafi's Bab al-Aziziyah compound early Monday, in what a press official from Gaddafi's government said was an attempt on the Libyan leader's life.

Firefighters were still working to extinguish flames in a part of the ruined building a few hours after the attack, when foreign journalists were brought to the scene in Tripoli.

The press official, who asked not to be identified, said 45 people were hurt in the strike, 15 of them seriously, and some were still missing. That could not be independently confirmed.

Gaddafi's compound has been struck before, but NATO forces appear to be stepping up the pace of strikes in Tripoli in recent days. A target nearby, which the government called a car park but which appeared to cover a bunker, was hit two days ago.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 12:51 AM
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50. The regime may have one less security official now
This story makes clear what the official line is:


The press official, who asked not to be identified, said 45 people were hurt in the strike, 15 of them seriously, and some were still missing. That could not be independently confirmed.


But the CBS News report got a different assessment from someone who was not a "press official":


A security official at the scene said four people were lightly hurt.



I wonder which "official" is in big trouble...






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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 12:45 AM
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49. Belgian arms being used by Gaddafi fighters in Misrata, claims that it's "elite forces":
http://twitpic.com/4p6uww

http://world.guns.ru/assault/be/fn-f2000-e.html

No doubt about it that it's the FN F2000. Not sure of the claims it's the elite Gaddafi forces.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 02:56 AM
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51. Libya: radio presenter from Leeds helping to keep rebel spirits high

Source: The Telegraph





A handful of amateur radio presenters, including a Leeds university lecturer, are keeping up the spirits of a city under constant bombardment from Col Muammar Gaddafi's forces.


By Ben Farmer, Misurata9:30PM BST 24 Apr 2011

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"Imagine you live in a society with all these fears. You have to give people a lot of support," he said. "We have to do this even in the songs that we broadcast.

...


Broadcasts try to feature the latest on frontline fighting and availability of food and water, as well as quashing the panicked rumours which spread in wartime, he said.


Regime jets twice tried to bomb the station in the days before the Nato no-fly zone and it has also been hit by tank fire, Mr Betmal said.


Loyalists tried to topple the station's antenna with explosives and the volunteers guarding it have disappeared without trace, he said.

...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindi...








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 03:26 AM
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52. The art of war...
Al Jazeera cites AP for a description of the developing rap scene in Benghazi:



...

"Everyone has his own way of fighting, and my weapon is art," said Faraway, a geology student.

The freewheeling rap scene developing in Benghazi indicates how much has changed in eastern Libya in the past two months. Speaking out against Gaddafi before the rebellion used to mean prison and maybe even death.

"I always wanted to talk about Gaddafi's mistakes and crimes, but we never had the chance for free speech. All you could talk about was how good Gaddafi's revolution was," said Madani.

Many of the songs that Music Masters and other groups have recorded in the past two months feature rapid fire lyrics reminiscent of Eminem. The lyrics ridicule Gaddafi and lambast him for his treatment of the country in the past four decades.

8:39am:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 04:28 AM
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56. Syria: A Deraa resident told Al Jazeera by phone that hundreds of troops had arrived in the city:


They were firing. Witnesses have told me that there have been five deaths so far and houses have become hospitals.


One witness told Reuters he could see bodies lying in a main street near the Omari mosque after eight tanks and two armoured vehicles deployed in the old quarter of the city.

"People are taking cover in homes. I could see two bodies near the mosque and no one was able to go out and drag them away," the witness said.

Snipers were posted on government buildings, and security forces in army fatigues had been shooting at random at houses since the tanks moved in just after dawn prayers.

Video at link shows troops and armoured vehicles purportedly in Deraa:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/apr/25/libya-...






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 04:57 AM
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58. CNN: Witnesses report tanks, 3,000 troops entered city at 4:30am, before dawn prayers
Firing reported from snipers, tanks, machine guns, bodies lying in the streets and ambulances are unable to reach them.

One man reportedly asked, "Are these the reforms Assad promised?"






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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 06:59 AM
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63. Moment of truth for Syrian Army
Will they stand by as their countrymen are massacred? The next week will be decisive for Syria.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42744140/ns/world_news-mide... /
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:08 AM
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68. A commander reportedly refused to shoot protesters but was arrested for doing so.
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:16 AM
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70. Need broader resistance than that
I suspect that if a few large army units can refuse to shoot or publicly stand with the protesters, this will unravel quickly for Assad. Unlike in Libya, the army is powerful in Syria and I expect that many of the senior military and intelligence leaders want nothing to do with a civil war.

Unfortunately, I do not expect any factions within the Syrian army to stand up. We will witness a slaughter the next few days.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:20 AM
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71. Yes, I sadly have to agree with your assessment.
This is a tragedy.

A young man throwing what appears to be poorly made Molotov cocktails at a tank: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vReOTUqHst8

Only thing is that they didn't turn the tanks on the people like Gaddafi did in Libya (Gaddafi used AA weapons to mow down a whole crowd).
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 12:22 PM
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89. Robert Fisk: Shifting blame to Lebanon may be the method in Assad's madness
Many Arabs were appalled that Mr Obama would apparently try to make cheap propaganda over the tragedy
Monday, April 25 2011

President Bashar al-Assad's war with his own Syrian people is moving perilously close to Lebanon. Indeed, over the past few days, Lebanese opposition leaders have been voicing their suspicions that the Baathist regime in Damascus in an attempt to distract attention away from the Syrian popular uprising is deliberately stirring sectarian tensions in a country which has only just commemorated the 36th anniversary of its own terrifying 15-year civil war, which cost 150,000 lives.

In the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli on Friday, rival pro- and anti-Assad demonstrations were held and the Lebanese Government flooded the streets with troops and internal security force members. Tripoli contains a sizeable community of Alawites, the Shia offshoot to which the Assad family belongs, most of them with close family ties to Syria.

Rather more disturbing was that the Shia Hezbollah in Lebanon the only serious militia in the country and Israel's principal enemy here accepted Syria's claim that the opposition Lebanese Future Movement MP Jamal Jarrah was involved in what the Assad regime calls the "armed insurgency" in the Syrian cities of Deraa, Latakia, Banias and Aleppo. Syrian television has shown interviews with two extremely frightened men it said had been caught with weapons and one of whom had, it said, confessed to bringing money and guns into Syria on the instructions of Jarrah. The MP and his party have indignantly denied the claim, but a Hezbollah official now says that Jarrah should be brought before Lebanese justice.

So, too, has the Syrian ambassador to Lebanon, Ali Abdul Karim Ali, who visited the Lebanese foreign ministry obviously on orders from Damascus to demand that Jarrah be brought to justice. The Future Movement, whose leader, Saad Hariri, remains the caretaker Lebanese Prime Minister in the continued absence of a government in the country, indignantly protested that Ali's move was Syrian interference in the internal affairs of Lebanon. Hezbollah has been busily praising like its Iranian sponsors the Egyptian revolution while condemning the demonstrations inside Syria.

Very informative and well worth reading in full: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/...

:hi:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 04:46 AM
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57. Misrata: The Guardian relays tweets from Sunday Times correspondent:
...author and award-winning Sunday Times correspondent, Hala Jaber, was tweeting details of the continued assault on Misrata overnight, based on phone calls from the western city. She has also posted a very disturbing picture (WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC) of a totally carbonised family which she said she believes "must be seen" (hotlink at link below). Here are a selection of her tweets:



#Misrata calling msg1: " Gaddafi toops bombing misurata heavly with rockets from the periphery of city," reported by doctor there. #Libya

#Misrata calling msg2: doctor reporting "Family arrived -- carbonized babies, mother, father. They were in
their car." #Libya

#Misrata calling msg3: Doctors in hospital shocked by the state of children & families brought in dead.The pictures are really awful. #Libya

#Misrata calling msg 4: "People asleep in homes when GF fired mortars randomly. Shababs unable 2 brinbg dead who are still burning." #Libya

#Misrata calling msg 5; "The head of a baby brought in without his torso. Carbonized family so badly burnt placed in a bag 2gether" #Libya

#Misrata calling msg 6: "Doctors amputating an arm and a leg of a man now in hospital, another surgery carried on a child," #Libya



Ahmed al-Qadi, an engineer who works for a dissident radio station in Misrata, told al-Arabiya TV:


There is very intense and random shelling on residential areas. Burned bodies are being brought into the hospital. The number of wounded is 60 and the there were 30 martyrs. This is the toll for the past 12 hours.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/apr/25/libya-...






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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 05:22 AM
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59. LPC Tripoli: Yesterday anti-Gaddafi groups tied rebel flag on pigeons and released them.
From feb17voices:

LPC #Tripoli: Yesterday anti #Gaddafi groups tied rebel flag on pigeons and released them. #Libya #Feb17
about 11 hours ago

http://audioboo.fm/boos/339720-lpc-tripoli-yesterday-an...

"everybody in that small town...just gathered in that street to look at the pigeons circle..."

And no, the peaceful pigeon protest wasn't tolerated either, but then some would say they were imperialist AQ pigeons, fed on Nescafe.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 05:44 AM
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60. LPC Tripoli: Zawiya "is still very active." Rebels took over city square for a few hours yesterday
From feb17voices

LPC #Tripoli: #Zawiya "is still very active." Rebels took over city square for a few hours yesterday. #Libya
about 11 hours ago

http://audioboo.fm/boos/339732-lpc-tripoli-zawiya-is-st...
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 05:51 AM
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61. LPC Tripoli: Eyewitness says there are 200-250 cars with mounted guns on standby at tobacco factory
feb17voices

LPC #Tripoli: Eyewitness says there are 200-250 cars with mounted guns on standby at tobacco factory. #Libya
about 11 hours ago

http://audioboo.fm/boos/339735-lpc-tripoli-eyewitness-s...

The tobacco factory is a large old warehouse complex in north Tripoli. Previously it has been used as a temporary prison, weapons store, or as quarters for pro-Gaddafi protesters and security agents brought in from outside Tripoli.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 06:11 AM
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62. Sue Turton spoke to one man whose life was saved by a woman who joined his demonstration.
8:15am

A number of tales recounting the bravery of protesters speaking out against the rule of Muammar Gaddafi are emerging.

Al Jazeera's Sue Turton spoke to one man whose life was saved by a woman who joined his demonstration.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...

or here:

Protesters turn soldiers in Benghazi
http://youtu.be/W9TvMXRa0Nw

Great story, and a example of how fate can turn on the smallest act of bravery.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:12 AM
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69. The documentaries that come out when this is over will be vast and numerous.
The books, too.

It will be a shame many "progressives" will be shown to have chosen the wrong side.

Thanks for the report.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:27 AM
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72. They won't admit it, though
I was thinking about that, about what will happen when this is over and Libya is free and starts to rebuild.

They'll probably just forget about it because it won't be in the American news media and hopefully there won't be any American military presence and so they'll never think about it again or admit that they were wrong.

Because I've also been thinking about it, and the anti-Libyan people are looking at it purely from the American standpoint. They don't care about Libya or Libyans. They didn't pay any attention until the UN got involved, and then they only saw it as the American military attacking another country. It's like they can't put themselves in the place of the Libyans and look at it from their standpoint at all.

It's leftist American exceptionalism - everything that goes on in the world is manipulated by American interests and is done for the benefit of American elites and all the world events on the TV screen are just puppet shows to distract and entertain the American public. It's the mirror version of the American exceptionalism on the right.

Explains a lot about our politics, that the right sees itself as the puppet master of the universe and the left sees itself as the passive audience of the puppet show.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 06:41 PM
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99. By all rights there should be.
The stories themselves are certainly screenplay or novel worthy and the inherent drama can't hurt a non-fiction historical account. I know of some good films I'll share before the weekend. Maybe we can have a head start.

You'll get no objection from me either when it comes time to update anachronistic social or political theory. I dabbled a bit with it about 10 or 15 years ago and found it more resistant to change than I was willing (or even young enough) to take on. Keep in mind that you don't have to travel far to find a christian crusader or two hanging out with some nativists and other know-nothings. Royalists seem to be having a bad time of it still, but it's not like they've all gone to ground. It took WWI to take the bloom off that rose.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:01 AM
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64. Syria: Tanks and troops positioning themselves to fire on unarmed citizens of Daraa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzlN69i6_4w

Syria is going the way of Libya.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:05 AM
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66. U.N. rights chief calls on Syria to stop killings
U.N. rights chief calls on Syria to stop killings
GENEVA (Reuters) - The top United Nations human rights official called on Syria on Monday to rein in its security forces and investigate nearly 100 killings of protesters reported over the weekend.

U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay denounced the escalation of violence in the country and called for detained activists and political prisoners to be released.

"The first step now is to immediately halt the use of violence, then to conduct a full and independent investigation into the killings, including the alleged killing of military and security officers, and to bring the perpetrators to justice," Pillay said in a statement.


Gaddafi told to end violence in Libya by UN security council
The UN security council has called for an immediate end to the violence in Libya and demanded that Muammar Gaddafi live up to his responsibilities to protect his own people.


Very similar to Feb 23. Only Assad has not publicly stated he'll root out his cities.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:33 AM
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73. The Libyan insurrection between Gaddafis hammer, NATOs Anvil and the lefts confusion
Edited on Mon Apr-25-11 07:36 AM by tabatha
On 22 February, two days after his son Saif had warned the protesters that Libya is no Tunisia or Egypt meaning that the Gaddafi family would not relinquish power under political pressure and threatened them with civil war, Muammar al-Gaddafi himself gave one of the most dreadful speeches in recent historical memory, a speech whose tone and vocabulary (in particular the description of his opponents as rodents and insects) were reminiscent of the 1930s (only a partial and approximate translation of the speech is available in English). The Libyan despot evoked as precedents that he intended to imitate, among others, the 1989 massacre in Tiananmen and the 2004 one in Fallujah. He also evoked the 2008-9 Israeli onslaught on Gaza, an analogy that he reiterated on March 7 in an interview he gave to a French satellite channel. And in a further speech on March 17, the day resolution 1973 was to be adopted by the Security Council, he compared his assault on Benghazi to that of Spanish dictator Francisco Franco's attack on Madrid, stating that he relied on the emergence of a "fifth column" from among the city's population to help him "liberate" it. The regime forces had then started concentrating on the outskirts of Benghazi in order to launch their offensive on the city, which began on March 19.

Faced with the overwhelming military superiority of Gaddafi's forces, the insurgents had been requesting international protection for several days, in particular a no-fly zone to prevent the use by Gaddafi of his air force. At its first meeting on March 5, the Interim Transitional National Council adopted a founding statement ending with the following:

"Finally, even though the balance of power is uneven between the defenceless protestors and the tyrant regime's mercenaries and private battalions, we will rely on the will of our people for a free and dignified existence. Furthermore, we request from the international community to fulfil its obligations to protect the Libyan people from any further genocide and crimes against humanity without any direct military intervention on Libya soil."

http://mondediplo.com/openpage/the-libyan-insurrection-...


This is an interesting article from someone on, apparently, the far left. I disagree with the "opinions" and motivations he assigns to NATO, US, UK etc. However, the more factual parts represent some of the things that many on the far left reject - including an imminent bloodbath by Gaddafi. Very mixed article (for me).


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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:49 AM
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74. Blankets, Dazzlement, Slander
The anti-imperialist left, in the West at least, is painfully divided over the NATO-led intervention in Libya. On the one hand, such commentators as Paul Woodward, Gilbert Achcar, Phil Weiss, and me, believe the intervention is the least worst option, that there was no better alternative. On the other hand, John Pilger, Mahmoud Mamdani and many others, are wary of a new Iraq and oppose Western intervention on blanket principle.

Both positions are legitimate. Although I disagree in this case, Im very pleased that the general gut response if we must work by gut responses is against intervention. But unfortunately a number of lesser figures, emotional oppositionists of the sort who qualmlessly rearrange reality to fit their personal agendas, have wilfully ignored facts on the Libyan ground, and even stooped so low as to slander the revolutionary Libyan people.

Some say NATO is interfering in a civil war, that Libya is split between east and west, that Tripoli stands firm with Qaddafi. These people fail to understand the overwhelming unpopularity of Qaddafis capricious regime. In the first days of the revolution, the regime lost control of most areas in the west as well as the east, including suburbs of Tripoli. Protestors marching on Green Square (or Martyrs Square) were driven back by machine gun and artillery fire. Qaddafi is currently keeping the capital quiet by mass arrests, rooftop snipers, and roving jeeps of weapon-wielding thugs.

Some people describe the free Libyans are mere so-called rebels. If they were real freedom-fighters, these people argue, theyd be able to take over the country without foreign help. Their acceptance of intervention proves them to be CIA stooges, agents of imperialism, traitors.

http://qunfuz.com/2011/04/20/blankets-dazzlement-slande... /


(Why does some of this sound familiar?)
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 08:09 AM
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75. How Libya is making smart people turn stupid updated
Edited on Mon Apr-25-11 08:25 AM by tabatha
I guess this would be an example of what Alexander Cockburn describes as a tsunami of breathless reports suggests that Misrata is enduring travails not far short of the siege of Leningrad in World War 2.

Cockburn who obviously thinks that Gaddafi has been getting a bumb rap in the Western media says Id really like to see an objective account of Qaddafis allocation of oil revenues versus the USs, in terms of social improvement. Does he imagine that such an account would reveal that Gaddafis rule has been benign and socially enlightened?

Anyone who still believes that Libya is in the grip of a civil war should watch the following video in order to better understand what it means to be living under the control of a man who wants to brainwash his supporters into believing that he, his country and God are indivisible. Theres nothing benign about an authoritarian personality cult which strips children and adults of their right and capacity to express themselves.

http://youtu.be/McjsU-WTnNk
Kudos to Al Jazeeras Inside Story who made a great editorial call by airing this Libyan report without additional commentary. It really does speak for itself.

http://warincontext.org/2011/04/16/how-libya-is-making-... /


(These three have been posted as a sub-thread, because they address those who are in effect supporting Gaddafi - interesting to have come across all three in a short amount of time via #libya twitter feeds.)
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:02 PM
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100. Thanks for these - and the others
I spent a good part of the day going through them. Not much to add at this point; sometimes these things just have to simmer. If there's any consolation, I suppose it's that everyone who doesn't like the split is struggling with it as well. There's another similar article that I saw that I'll post in the next day.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 08:45 PM
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105. I was late posting today because I was reading those, they're fantastic.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 08:44 AM
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76. Behind front-lines, Libyan rebels escalate media war
Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:33pm GMT
By Alexander Dziadosz

BENGHAZI, Libya (Reuters) - While Libyan rebels fire rockets and heavy machine guns against Muammar Gaddafi's troops in the east, a group of young volunteers are adding newsprint, television cameras and microphones to the arsenal.

Writers, cartoonists and musicians have been taking their work to the public after a popular uprising shook off decades of autocratic rule and state media dominance in the east, which the insurgents largely control.

Vibrant graffiti covers the walls in the rebel stronghold of Benghazi, rap songs attacking Gaddafi blare from speakers, and there is a crop of new media outlets.

Two radio stations, a television station and about a dozen newspapers and magazines have so far been licensed by the Benghazi-based rebel national council, Mohammed Fannoush, communication director for the council's media committee, said.

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE73O2IJ20...
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 09:35 AM
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77. Nalut, Nafusa
Nalut: News that the 200 cars and tanks and launchers Gaddafi was preparing to attack with were destroyed by NATO this morning #libya #feb17

Audioboo: Families just arrived from the Nafusa region to the Tunsian camps
http://audioboo.fm/boos/340065-families-just-arrived-fr...
Gaddafi is killing animals, and bombing water supplies, destroying homes, etc.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 09:49 AM
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78. Alex Crawford in Misrata. Gaddafi troops treated better by rebels than by Gaddafi.
Misratah: Rebels In 'Battle For Survival'
3:43pm UK, Monday April 25, 2011
Rocket attacks by Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's forces are still killing dozens in Misratah despite claims the army had withdrawn from the city.

Reports said shelling in residential areas has killed as many as 30 people and injured up to 60 more in the latest attacks.

Rebel fighters are thought to have taken more than 80% of Libya's third largest city but intense battles continue.

Sky sources have reported that mortars, thought to belong to the army, have been heard on the outskirts of the city.

There has also been intense fighting near the former government hospital.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Video-Misra...

and video duplicated on another site.
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=110566029027...

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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:09 AM
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80. k&r
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:37 AM
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83. Kadhafi forces losing in Misrata: captured troops
MISRATA, Apr 24, 2011 (AFP) - Loyalist forces are losing their grip in the battle with rebels in Libya's besieged western city of Misrata and their morale is sinking, two captured soldiers told AFP on Sunday.

"Many soldiers want to surrender but they are afraid of being executed" by the rebels, said Lili Mohammed, a Mauritanian mercenary hired by the regime of strongman Moamer Kadhafi to fight insurgents in Libya's third city.

...

They spoke to AFP separately from their hospital room in the presence of a doctor, saying that officers had abandoned the troops and their supply lines were cut.

"Many soldiers don't agree with what is happening here," he said. "They gave us orders to open fire on anyone in the streets, even women and children."

http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidANA20110424T115657ZIQ...
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:46 PM
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102. Alex Crawford is quite possibly the bravest reporter in Libya.
Holy shit ma'am, be fucking careful! Damn!
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:04 AM
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79. Checking my Flickr contacts, this picture caught my breath.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:27 AM
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81. NATO REPORT - April 24
Edited on Mon Apr-25-11 10:29 AM by tabatha
Key Targets and Engagements**
24 April:
In Tripoli: 1 communications headquarters.
In vicinity of Tripoli: 1 ammunition storage, 1 ammunition bunker.
In vicinity of Misurata: 1 tank, 1 ammunition storage.
In vicinity of Sirte: 4 ammunition shelters,4 ammunition bunkers.
In vicinity of Mizdah: 1 tank, 4 rocket launchers.
In vicinity of Zintan: 2 infantry fighting vehicles.

**Key Engagements are not intended to give a complete account of all targets which were engaged.
Arms Embargo Activities
A total of 19 ships under NATO command are actively patrolling the Central Mediterranean.
21 vessels were hailed on 24 April to determine destination and cargo. 0 boarding and 0 diversions
were conducted.
A total of 610 vessels have been hailed, 14 boardings and 5 diversions have been conducted since the
beginning of arms embargo operations.

International Humanitarian Assistance Movements as recorded by NATO
Total of Humanitarian Movements***: 121 (air, ground, maritime)
Ships delivering Humanitarian Assistance 24 April: 4 executed,( 8 in execution)
Aircraft delivering Humanitarian Assistance 24 April: 2
***Some humanitarian movements cover several days.

http://www.nato.int/nato_static/assets/pdf/pdf_2011_04/...

25 Apr. 2011
NATO keeps up the pressure

NATO carried out a precision strike in central Tripoli last night. The target was a Communications Headquarter that was used to coordinate attacks against civilians. We have no independent means of verifying reports of possible civilian casualties. Unlike pro-Qadhafi forces, we continue to go to great lengths to reduce the possibility of any civilian casualties.

As part of the United Nations mandate to protect civilians from the threat of attack, NATO is steadily and deliberatately degrading the ability of the Qadhafi regime to launch and sustain attacks against his own people. We are keeping up a high operational tempo to fuflil that mandate. Since NATO took command of Operation Unified Protector on March 31, our aircraft have flown over 3,700 sorties and over 1,500 strike sorties.

In the last 48 hours, NATO aircraft have also destroyed multiple-rocket launchers, armoured personnel carriers, bunkers and storage facilities in and around Misrata, Tripoli and Sirte.

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_72888.htm

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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 10:27 AM
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82. Today is Mauritania's day of rage
The CIA and Al Qaeda spread their Nescafe far and wide.

Some pics and videos.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/fbx/?set=a.169315159...

http://plixi.com/p/95876760

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We7OU3exvzo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLZ1clgO0gU

LOLOLOL at this tweet about Mauritania -

@vatyma
14 of the 24 detainees have been taken to the anti-drug police, Aziz is taking Gaddafi's halwasa pills accusations seriously #Mauritania
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 11:13 AM
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86. Good Luck to the Mauritanians
That is one fascinating and medieval place, remote and almost devoid of resources. The protesters are extremely brave -- if they start getting mown down, I don't think anyone in the West is going to come to their aid.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 11:01 AM
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85. Libyan rebels, for min meet with African officials
Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:45pm GMT
ADDIS ABABA, April 25 (Reuters) - Libya's foreign minister Abdelati Obeidi and two representatives of the country's rebels were meeting with African Union officials to discuss a possible solution to the Libyan conflict, the AU said on Monday. Earlier this month, rebels rejected a plan by the AU to halt the civil war in Libya, because it did not include the departure of Muammar Gaddafi and his sons.

"This will be the first time that they (rebels) are attending a meeting here. We will meet both sides one after the other," Ramtane Lamamra, AU Commissioner for Peace and Security, told Reuters.

The rebels are represented in Ethiopia by Al Zubedi Abdalla, a former ambassador to South Africa, and Bujeldain Abdalla, a former Libyan ambassador to Uganda. Both men told Reuters they would comment after the meetings.

.....

The African Union does not have a good track record in brokering peace deals, having failed recently to end conflicts or disputes in Somalia, Madagascar and Ivory Coast. (Reporting by Aaron Maasho; Writing by Duncan Miriri; Editing by Myra MacDonald)

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73O0D620...
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 11:42 AM
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87. Women have emerged as key players in Arab spring
In a small room in Benghazi some young men and women are putting out a new opposition newspaper. "The role of the female in Libya," reads one headline. "She is the Muslim, the mother, the soldier, the protester, the journalist, the volunteer, the citizen", it adds.

Arab women can claim to have been all these things and more during the three months of tumult that have shaken the region. Some of the most striking images of this season of revolt have been of women: black-robed and angry, a sea of female faces in the capitals of north Africa, the Arabian peninsula, the Syrian hinterland, marching for regime change, an end to repression, the release of loved ones. Or else delivering speeches to the crowds, treating the injured, feeding the sit-ins of Cairo and Manama and the makeshift army of eastern Libya.

But as revolt turns into hiatus and stalemate from Yemen to Tunisia, Egypt and Libya, Bahrain and Syria, one thing is clear: for all their organising, marching, rabble-rousing, blogging, hunger-striking, and, yes, dying, Arab women are barely one small step forwards on the road to greater equality with their menfolk. Women may have sustained the Arab spring, but it remains to be seen if the Arab spring will sustain women.

http://mg.co.za/article/2011-04-23-women-have-emerged-a...
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 12:07 PM
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88. Confessions of an Algerian recruited by Gaddafi's son to blow up the airport in Geneva
The son of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, Hannibal, planned to blow up the Geneva airport and major infrastructures in Switzerland by using an Algerian bartender working in recreation centres for high Personality in Tripoli, to carry the mission. The attacks were then to be attributed to the Al Qaeda organization.

The security services have detained an Algerian who fled to Algeria, after providing important information to the Consulate of France in Annaba.

The indictment of Algiers court transferred the one of the most serious cases related to espionage, to the criminal court. This will probably be scheduled towards the end of the current criminal session.

The principal defendant in this case, the so-called "Iskander" reportedly said that the son of Libyan leader Kadhafi, Hannibal, had charged him of a secret mission in Switzerland, England and France, which consists of committing attacks in Geneva International Airport and in major economic infrastructure that would subsequently be awarded to the organization of Al Qaeda, this would have led him, according to his saying, to flee to Algeria March 7, 2010 through Debdab where he informed the Algerian authorities of all he had experienced in Libya for fear of being accused of spying.


http://www.ennaharonline.com/en/news/6360.html
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 01:13 PM
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90. Kick
Just popping in for a kick. I'm off to an appointment, back later.


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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 02:31 PM
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91. Rebellion: Smashing stereotypes of Arab women
Rebellion: Smashing stereotypes of Arab women
Women have been at the forefront of various Arab uprisings, forging their own identity in the process.
Soumaya Ghannoushi Last Modified: 25 Apr 2011 13:28

The Arab revolutions are not only shaking the structure of tyranny to the core - they are shattering many of the myths about the Arab region that have been accumulating for decades. Topping the list of dominant myths are those of Arab women as caged in, silenced, and invisible. Yet these are not the types of women that have emerged out of Tunisia, Egypt, or even ultra-conservative Yemen in the last few weeks and months.

Not only did women actively participate in the protest movements raging in those countries, they have assumed leadership roles as well. They organised demonstrations and pickets, mobilised fellow citizens, and eloquently expressed their demands and aspirations for democratic change.

Like Israa Abdel Fatteh, Nawara Nejm, and Tawakul Karman, the majority of the women are in their 20s and 30s. Yet there were also inspiring cases of senior activists as well: Saida Saadouni, a woman in her 70s from Tunisia, draped the national flag around her shoulders and partook in the Qasaba protests which succeeded in toppling M. Ghannouchi's provisional government. Having protested for two weeks, she breathed a unique revolutionary spirit into the thousands who congregated around her to hear her fiery speeches. "I resisted French occupation. I resisted the dictatorships of Bourguiba and Ben Ali. I will not rest until our revolution meets its ends, for your sakes my sons and daughters, not for mine," said Saadouni.

Whether on the virtual battlefields of the Internet or the physical protests in the streets, women have been proving themselves as real incubators of leadership. This is part of a wider phenomenon characteristic of these revolutions: The open politics of the street have bred and matured future leaders. They are grown organically in the field, rather than being imposed upon from above by political organisations, religious groups, or gender roles.

...continue...
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/04/20...



I can only add that, beyond smashing stereotypes, just seeing their actions, hearing their voices, and listening to their stories fills a void where not even a weakly held stereotype existed. They were simply a blank spot on the social map.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 03:40 PM
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92. Gaddafi forces damaged ancient heritage site near Yefren
Edited on Mon Apr-25-11 03:49 PM by Iterate
feb17voices

LPC #Yefren: Gaddafi forces damaged ancient heritage site near Yefren
about 1 hour ago

http://audioboo.fm/boos/340318-lpc-yefren-english-gadda...

A few days ago we were passing around links to flickr and panoramio accounts with pics of this area, perhaps including this site.

ETA also available here:
9:31pm: A live caller from Yefren tells Feb17voices that Gaddafi forces damaged ancient heritage sites near Yefren:
http://feb17.info/
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 04:14 PM
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93. US and UK to look at Libya fuel blockade
US and UK to look at Libya fuel blockade

The Financial Times
By James Blitz in London
Published: April 25 2011 17:33 | Last updated: April 25 2011 17:33

Britain and the US will on Tuesday examine fresh ways to undermine Muammer Gaddafis forces inside Libya, looking to see whether action can be taken to cut fuel supplies to the Libyan leaders armed forces on the ground.

As Nato steps up operations against Colonel Gaddafi, launching an attack on his compound near Tripoli on Monday, the UK and US will examine whether it will be possible to impose a maritime blockade on fuel supplies to the regime.

Liam Fox, Britains defence secretary, will meet Robert Gates, his US counterpart, in Washington for discussions on the conflict. They will be accompanied in two plus two talks by General Sir David Richards, Britains chief of defence staff, and Admiral Mike Mullen, the chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff.

A senior UK official said the four men would discuss the direction of the campaign in Libya and how the coalition can exploit Col Gaddafis weaknesses.

more...
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d3969b62-6f55-11e0-952c-00144...

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 04:45 PM
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94. Libyan mountain refugees tell of fearsome assault
Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:16pm GMT
By Tarek Amara DEHIBA-WAZIN BORDER CROSSING, April 25 (Reuters) - Refugees fleeing Libya's Western Mountains told of heavy bombardment by Muammar Gaddafi's forces as they try to dislodge rebels clinging to a precarious hold in remote Berber towns.

The capture of the Dehiba-Wazin border crossing by rebels last week has let refugees flee in cars, as well as on foot along rocky paths, swelling the numbers sheltering in southern Tunisia to an estimated 30,000 people.

While the world's attention has been on the bloody siege of the western rebel stronghold of Misrata and battles further east, fighting is intensifying in the region known as the Western Mountains.

"Our town is under constant bombardment by Gaddafi's troops. They are using all means. Everyone is fleeing," said one refugee, Imad, bringing his family from Kalaa in the heart of the mountains.


http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73O0I220...
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 05:14 PM
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97. It's not confirmed
but there are rumors that some of the freedom fighters in that area are using pre-WW1 weapons handed down to them by their families.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 04:47 PM
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95. Bodies scattered in Misrata streets after battle
ALGIERS, April 25 (Reuters) - Rebels and residents of Misrata said bodies lay scattered in the streets of the city and medics struggled to cope with the wounded on Monday after some of the bloodiest fighting of a two-month-old siege.

People emerged from homes after daybreak to scenes of devastation after Muammar Gaddafi's forces pulled back from the city under cover of blistering rocket and tank fire, said witnesses contacted by phone.

Nearly 60 people have been killed in clashes in the last three days including at least 10 on Monday, residents said. Mohammed Ibrahim, a local resident who visited the city's hospital, told Reuters by telephone that seven of those killed on Monday were civilians and three were rebel fighters.

Three corpses were charred beyond recognition from the overnight shelling. A 10-year-old boy was killed as he slept. But many shells fell on waste ground, residents said. They said the bombardment stopped when NATO planes flew over.

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73O0E320...
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 05:14 PM
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98. Something nice for a change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2-krBTESkM

February 17th Revolution Libya Children of Derna Song

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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 07:35 PM
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101. Libyan twitter rules of engagement
I really like this post, and I think it has good advice for us Westerners.

http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/malvernchela/~9dXeO

It's our job to support them and follow their lead - thinking that we know what's best for them is an echo of imperialism.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 11:50 PM
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106. +1000
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 11:58 PM
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107. +2000
Thanks for posting that, MedleyMisty--I like it, too. Good advice for the tweeps--and much of it might apply equally to the internecine warfare HERE on this issue.






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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 08:43 PM
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103. Day 68 here:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 08:45 PM
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104. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 3:45 AM TUESDAY, APRIL 26
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours






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