Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Dot started working at thirteen. Married at fifteen.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
 
kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 09:28 AM
Original message
Dot started working at thirteen. Married at fifteen.
Edited on Sun Apr-24-11 09:28 AM by kpete
...................

Dots life has been every bit as hard as Patsys. Harder really, because Dot has lived twice as long as Patsy Cline managed to, and she looks it. By the time my people hit sixty, we look like a bunch of hypertensive red-faced toads in a phleghm-coughing contest. Doctors tell us that we have blood in our cholesterol, and the cops tell us there is alcohol in that blood. True to our class, Dottie is disabled by heart trouble, diabetes, and several other diseases. Her blood pressure is so high the doctor thought the pressure device was broken. And she is slowly going blind to boot.

Trouble is, insurance costs her as much as rent. Her old man makes $8 an hour washing cars at a dealership, and if everything goes just right they have about $55 a week left for groceries, gas and everything else. But if an extra expense as small as $30 comes in, they compensate by not filling one of Dots prescriptionsor two or three of themin which case she gets sicker and sicker until they can afford the co-pay to refill the prescriptions again. At fifty-nine, these repeated lapses into vessel-popping high blood pressure and diabetic surges pretty much guarantee that she wont collect Social Security for long after she reaches sixty-three, if she reaches sixty-three

from:
Deer Hunting with Jesus: Dispatches from America's Class War
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/04/24/here-is-a-barre... /
http://www.amazon.com/Deer-Hunting-Jesus-Dispatches-Ame...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 09:34 AM
Response to Original message
1. Life
in a Republican Paradise.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 09:36 AM
Response to Original message
2. Dot should pull her self up by her bootstraps and get a job with healthcare benefits
instead of being a socialist wagon rider

yup

:sarcasm:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #2
22. yup. Lots of jobs for older half blind wore out women
:sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 09:38 AM
Response to Original message
3. Sounds like Dot is reaping what she sowed.
Thems the breaks when you make decisions like that. :shrug: Maybe she could buy a pair of walking shoes and, you know, take charge of her health a little?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. woosh nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #5
10. Backatcha.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #3
9. Don't we all? We are all the product of our decisions.
And if everybody always made the right decisions, what would there be to complain about?

In a civilized country, Dot would get support and help to make better decisions. She has to worry about starving.

--imm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #9
11. The point being, as well, that even making the "right "decisions doesn't keep you from being born
Edited on Sun Apr-24-11 10:56 AM by Brickbat
with hereditary health issues, into a poverty-stricken family that has no idea how to go about making life better for itself, or into a society that thinks getting married at 15 is just dandy.

I'll turn up the sarcasm next time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Yes, the apparent "gentility" fooled me...
I should have known better. :blush:

Carry on. You're OK.

--imm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. Maybe I should drink more; then my humor won't be so dry.
:rofl: :toast:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. .
Edited on Sun Apr-24-11 06:18 PM by Brickbat
.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #11
20. I spoke with a couple of relatives today
and listened to their "bootstrap" crap.

I missed the sarcasm in your post. Thanks for reminding me that I was still at DU!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #3
24. Your empathy attempts are sorry failures
But your cruelty bone is erect.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #24
33. Shaka, when the walls fell.
"Cruelty Bone" can be the name of my new band.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #24
42. You don't understand sarcasm, do you? nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #3
50. LOL. Man, time is going to kick your ass all over the room.
Edited on Mon Apr-25-11 11:52 AM by cliffordu
It'll be epic. Wish I could watch.....

:rofl:

EDIT: Just got the sarcasm, but I like my snark so much I'm leaving it. Hope you don't mind.....

:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. Not a problem at all!
Plenty are kicking my ass in the present time!

I just remember when Bush said something about people "taking responsibility" for their own health care and that someone if everyone got a pair of walking shoes, that would reduce health-care costs.

:rofl: :hi: :toast:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #51
52. Really - walking shoes and ONE glass of red wine a night.......
:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 09:55 AM
Response to Original message
4. Dot is falling to pieces faster than
Patsy Cline.

Very sad
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. Maybe she's crazy. Maybe she's just walking in the moonlight.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 10:20 AM
Response to Original message
6. Welcome to Paul Ryan's vision of America.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 10:23 AM
Response to Original message
8. "We're spending too much on education..." Mind is blown.
Guy with the wife beater and the giant beard is a trip.

But... good luck South Carolina! Glad *I* don't live there, and I live in NEW JERSEY!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #8
41. Tell me why Lincoln didn't allow South Carolina to secede from the union again? nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 06:20 PM
Response to Original message
15. Does Dot vote republican? If she does, she does not get it, and I must
say, the country will be better off with her vote no longer available republicans. The woman in the video that said her and her husband collect cans to make end meet and she was at a republican rally is typical of what is happening in the red south. As a blue stater, I want tax money collected from my state residents send back to meet the needs of my state elderly and poor instead of being sent to the types of clowns shown in the video.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. Once again you show just how cold blooded you are,
You have not one ounce of humanity, and this post of yours proves it.

You have become that which you abhor, a soulless shell of a human, ready to throw people overboard because of their political affiliation. How very sad.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. well, why is she voting republican ?
sometimes poor people vote republican for reasons that makes me lose compassion for them. like bigotry against certain peoples.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. So just let her die because of the way she voted?
Hmm, haven't we seen what happens when various political groups, even entire countries go down that road? It isn't pretty.

Rather than condemning this woman to death for how she votes, perhaps we should show that we are above such barbarity and use this as a teaching opportunity.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. Noting in the article mentions Dot voting at all
Much less which Party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. i asked why she voted republican and that i didn't have compassion, i don't need to have compassion
for everyone in order to support policies to help people.

i still ask why she votes republican.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #23
28. NO. She is sentencing herself to death by the way she votes. And, more
important to me, she is sentencing other people to death. For that my humanity toward her is severely tested.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. Yes, apparently your humanity is severely tested,
And frankly, found sorely lacking.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 04:43 AM
Response to Reply #28
43. wow!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #21
34. Have the Democrats ever appealed to her in terms that are meaningful to her?
Or have they lived up to the stereotype of "yuppie elitists"?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #34
38. Joe once asked her if she would vote for a president who implemented health care for all
Dot replied "Vote for him? I'd go down on him!" Joe commented that it would be hard to get stronger voter approval than that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 04:44 AM
Response to Reply #34
44. More, have they ever done more than talk one way then vote the other
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 09:00 AM
Response to Reply #44
47. That's what I see--talking one way and then excessively "compromising" with the corporatists
They promise "health care for all" and it somehow becomes "required private insurance for all, whether you can afford it or not."

They promise "bankruptcy reform," but it still leaves people mired in excessive debt, no matter what the reason for the bankruptcy.

They promise "credit card reform," but it fails to touch the most important issue, excessive interest rates.

Crap like that is why so many people don't trust politicians of either party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #19
29. I will match the dollars that I contribute and the time that I contribute to
Edited on Sun Apr-24-11 07:58 PM by bluestate10
charitable causes and social improvement to your efforts any day of the week, year in and year out. Seriously doubt that you remotely measure up. If the woman votes republican, which she highly likely does, she is a damned fool who hurts millions of poor and struggling people with her vote.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #29
35. No, the Democrats are damn fools for not appealing directly to people like Dot
The Republicans have been working overtime to win over people like Dot.

What are the Democrats doing to appeal directly to the working class and poor?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #29
37. Well, first of all, this isn't about your philanthropy,
After all, many robber barons, both past and present have given generously to charity in order to salve their conscience. It doesn't make the acts they committed any less heinous.

But we're not talking about your charity works, but rather about your willingness to let somebody die based on a perceived voting record. Sorry, but that is going into the territory of humanitarian crimes, and I won't follow you there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. Are you kidding me. Voters that vote republican sentence thousands
to death each day. If one die and can't vote, so be it, more people will live as a result. I am not advocating killing republican voters. You obviously don't understand what humanitarian means, so stop using the term.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 04:56 AM
Response to Reply #39
46. You are a piece of work. I will dance.
I will say no more, but I WILL dance. You walk a fine line sir, and you walk it well. That's the only compliment I will ever pay you so enjoy it as best ye can.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #39
49. You're not? Could have fooled me, judging by your posts.
As far as understanding what humanitarian means, sorry, but again, based on your posts in this thread, I think I know far better what it truly means than you do.

Are you even listening to yourself, listening to what you're saying? Geez, what a sad sack of humanity you truly are.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 04:45 AM
Response to Reply #29
45. You think democrats at the national level represent the poor?
And you call this woman a fool...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #15
26. She probably doesn't vote at all since she knows
no one is going to help her or her family. Ever.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #26
30. Great insight, Nader voter. You are one of the "there is no difference"
Edited on Sun Apr-24-11 08:01 PM by bluestate10
types. So be it, regardless of how hard you get hit up beside the head by republican efforts to send working americans to the poor house.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. You're assuming and making an ass out of yourself
Edited on Sun Apr-24-11 09:26 PM by lunatica
You know nothing about me, but obviously that doesn't stop your type from jumping to simple minded conclusions.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #32
40. I know enough about the "there is no difference between the parties" balloon
that you floated. That is enough for me to :puke:.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 06:30 PM
Response to Original message
16. It makes me ANGRY that this is happening in the wealthiest country on Earth.
:grr:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 06:32 PM
Response to Original message
17. What does her brother Dash think about this?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 06:47 PM
Response to Original message
18. I started working at age 11 (family business.. I had no choice)
It;s not so much the "working young", as it is the procreating young.. If you are female, once you have a child(children), you have cast your lot, and most of the time, you will be mother-first, and everything else-second.

The younger you are when you have that first child, will most likely determine what the rest of your life will be.

You can change a lot of things about your life as you get older, but the fact that you are a parent will not change, and the costs involved in raising kids are always more than a naive teenager thinks they will be.

Postponing childbirth until one is older & self sufficient should be the goal for all girls..no matter where they live.. If you have one kid by 17, there is often a 2nd, 3rd 4th etc. :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-24-11 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #18
31. You are right, but it takes education and the ability to see a future
for a child to work toward a better life. The important issue that society must resolve is early intervention as a way to direct children from desperately poor families toward a better life, this is why Head Start is such an important program. And why local governmental and non-governmental agencies that serve and educate children are so vital to a functioning society. With republican bullshit working 24x7 to rip government apart, action by individuals to save society is the only way out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 09:30 AM
Response to Original message
48. I listened for two minutes and just had to turn if off.
What a sad day in our nation when those who have been elected to guide the nation, rather than setting the record straight, actually feed on what they know to be absolute lies. This cesspool of ignorance is an embarashment. If I was a young person I would seriously consider looking for country that has a brighter future. While these pathetic fools intertain themselves with their delusions, they fail to realize that they are supporting the very people who are intent in enslaving their children and grandchilden in perpetual poverty and servatude to the wealthy in one of the most devatating transfer and concentration of wealth in recent history.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Aug 22nd 2014, 02:59 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC