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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:11 PM
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The fact that some 14 year old teabagger piece of shit can spew bullshit and the people who heckle..
her are considered wrong is indicative of a political culture in which the reflex to call people out on their bullshit has been effectively repressed. When people prize civility over honesty it endangers freedom.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:13 PM
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1. Who would attack a child? That's a sneaky bit of shit from the Kochroaches.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:13 PM
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2. Why don't the Democrats ask a 14 yr old to talk about Medicare For All?
Plant some hecklers, get it on the news

:shrug:
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:22 PM
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6. The M$M would slant to story to sympathize with the hecklers
Count on it.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:25 PM
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10. Yup. See what happened with the town halls on HCR.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:39 PM
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15. HCR wasn't Medicare For All n/t
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:41 PM
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18. And that is relevant how? Are you claiming the teabaggers wouldn't have raised a ruckus?
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:43 PM
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21. No. That M$M manipulation of "public option" is easier than "medicare for all"
I asserted that the M$M would have a harder time manipulating public opinion had Democrats been talking about Medicare For All

Godz only knows what people might raise a ruckus about
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:41 PM
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19. Because we don't hide behind children.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:42 PM
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41. there was that great 12 year old whose untreated mom died. He stood by Obama when he signed the ACA
Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 02:43 PM by librechik
He is a great kid, and very sympathetic figure--yet Fox News etc mocked him and accused Obam a of pandering when he has him at events. Liberal Media is scared of liberals and liberal causes, so they avoid our spokespeople. That's just the way those hypocrites play the game.
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:14 PM
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3. -1 What crap
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:14 PM
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4. TeaBaggers started this back during the HC townhalls...
They have no right to complain. They set the heckle bar... they need to deal.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:26 PM
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11. +1,000
Apparently only they have 1st amendment rights
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:46 PM
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25. Yeah, their double standard is as blatant...
As their bigotry and racism.

I'm sick of the whining when they get their own tactics used against them. What's good for the goose...
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:41 PM
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17. Actually the original "tea" rallies were against the Bailouts. The M$M = silent
not surprising though
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:44 PM
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23. But the level of heckling...
Only came into play during the healthcare townhalls. The rallies were loud, but not disruptive of someone else trying to speak.
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:00 PM
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32. 100% correctomundo
Sauce for the goose....
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:20 PM
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5. the fight should be with the Kochs - not some 14YO prop
screaming obscenities at children is a STUPID tactic.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:24 PM
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9. The fight must be with every teabagger and everyone who spreads their message.
They must suffer consequences for their promotion of the Koch's cause.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:38 PM
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13. calling someone's kid a "fucking brat" is a counter productive tactic
why not just do what actually WORKS instead unleashing anger at the nearest fellow peasant?

This is part of why we don't get coverage from the MSM -- obscene signs, obscene chants, totally mixed messages at almost every rally (Free Mumia, Faux Nooz lies, etc.) and hostility toward the MSM. Name calling and obscenity does NOT get our message out -- it obscures it.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:44 PM
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24. That's your opinion. I think you're wrong. I think it's best to call these scum what they are.
Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 01:45 PM by JVS
Even if it isn't nice.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:59 PM
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29. It isn't "best" if it makes our side look bad. As it does if that kind of vulgar hostility is
directed at children. Again, I DON'T think the vulgar heckler in that video is really a Democrat. It looked phony, completely staged. I don't see any point in trying to defend something that could have been staged by Breitbart to try to embarrass Dems.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 06:55 PM
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63. I think it was staged too
The guy keeps looking at the camera. And his sign is bizarre.

Staged.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 03:32 PM
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45. Actually "we" don't get coverage because they are the propaganda arm of the state
Doesn't matter what we do, as long as it's not part of their message of fascism and hate, they're not going to show it.

Honestly, some Democrats sound a lot like abused spouses who don't want to admit the abuse and who think it's their fault and that if they're just good enough, perfect enough, if they do everything right, they won't get punched this time.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 03:49 PM
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46. Indeed "Freedom of the Press belongs strictly to those who own one"
but I think the corporate media message is more: distraction, division, pacification and creating confusion about cause and effect.

What a weird, wrong and insulting analogy btw. But in a thread that started by defending obscene personal attacks on a 14 year-old girl this is progress. I'm an adult, and I could fire right back. But that isn't my style.
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Wait Wut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:50 PM
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26. Agreed.
A couple of years ago our town went into full freakout mode because a mural painted on a local elementary school showed a Hispanic boy (modeled after an actual student at the school) as the main focus. At the dedication to the students (some of which were STILL Hispanic...the horrah) people were driving by and yelling obscenities AT THE CHILDREN!

I don't approve of it from "their" side, I won't condone it on "our" side. Back off of the kids. You aren't proving anything to anyone by being a freakin' bully.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:23 PM
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7. Unrec. FWIW, I thought the foul-mouthed heckling there was staged (you could tell by the way
the fake "protester" looked at the camera).

I didn't like her speech, but I felt she was a mixed-up kid subjected to a a lot of brainwashing by activist parents, and I don't like her being called a vulgar name here at DU.

We can talk about what's wrong with what right-wingers say without having to sink to that level.
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 07:05 PM
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66. The event might have bee staged, but I think DU just proved...
that it wouldn't completely surprising if this had been a Democrat...
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:24 PM
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8. Can you point me to some context? Thanks
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:40 PM
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16. the OP is defending this clown
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 04:15 PM
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50. What I see here is one (1) person heckling and many others not. Is this
"person" a dem? can't say. But I also see MANY other people NOT heckling, which brings me to my point. With the teabaggers did you ever see just one, or was there always a pile on? They don't seem to have enough nerve to step in and go it alone (unless they are pretending to be liberal). :eyes:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 04:36 PM
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56. He's an asshole, and ed shultz could try to get him on his show.
Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 04:44 PM by Kurovski
Looks a little set-up. Along with commentary from the "cameraman"

"get a job"? That's generally Republican talk. But maybe he's switched affiliations. Stinks to high-heaven of being bogus and set-up.They could have gotten a more convincing character. A case of poor casting, perhaps.

Very "Brooks brothers rebellion"

Disgusting, at any rate.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:42 PM
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20. Here -- link to the original topic, with lots of replies:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

If you look at the news story the OP links to, the first link there just shows the speech, not the reaction. The link to the vulgar heckling that's getting a lot of attention from the right is farther down in the story.

As I said there, I think the heckling was staged. It looked fake.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:37 PM
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12. Perhaps it was the
profanity that upset some. No need to call a 14 year old a f*** b**.
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:38 PM
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14. or a "teabagger piece of shit"
for that matter.
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AlabamaLibrul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:44 PM
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22. I could give a damn about her or any other teabagger getting called out
Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 01:46 PM by AlabamaLibrul
I'll care when FUCKING BRATS, kids, like her quit calling me a "nigger lover" and other lovely pieces of language over my Obama stuff.

Stay out of the bullshit if you can't take the smell.
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TheManInTheMac Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 01:59 PM
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69. I've not heard that term since the '70's.
Interesting that I'm hearing it from someone on DU. Oh, and please point me to where the girl said it. I've watched the video a couple of times. Must've missed it.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:55 PM
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27. recommended. people are so shallow they see a "cute and fluffy" corpofascist
and bend over backwards to defend her LOL.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:00 PM
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31. no, I see a kid. and yes, I tend to bend over backwards to defend kids.
the irony in all this is you'd be cheering your ass off if the 14 year old was saying stuff that you agree with.

sick.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:38 PM
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40. uh yah, if that was the case.. because the "stuff" would be truth
it would have nothing to do with the messengers appearance or age... but the message itself.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 03:10 PM
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42. uh, it would still be opinion
opinion that you and I agree with, but still opinion.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:58 PM
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28. oh shit. I find your post utterly despicable on so many levels.
unrec.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:59 PM
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30. Not one single post saying maybe the young girl is misguided and needs some honest information for a
change rather than the spoonfed crap she probably gets at home...

Nothing but "Fuck her!" and "she can eat shit!" and the like.

The other laughable bits of info I get from this thread and the other thread about the same subject is that if a person who identifies as liberal or progressive or democrat is caught on film acting in a way that some consider "over the line", that person MUST be a plant. It's not at all possible that what we see is what is what actually happened, nooooo we're better than that.

I read this thread and would respectfully disagree. There are times I find DU to be just as mean-spirited as any other website I've read.

Now before anyone replies with the usual if you don't like it lump it and leave, I'm not going anywhere. Other times I find DU to be as informative, caring, enlightening, reassuring, and relaxing as any other website I've read.

Might could the young lady benefit from some straightforward talk about what she's wrong about and why she's wrong, rather than simply "fuck her".
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:05 PM
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35. There you go again
logic and reason. :hi: :toast:
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:14 PM
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36. I have a hard time deciding whether threads like this are entertaining or disheartening...
Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 02:19 PM by cherokeeprogressive
They sure are enlightening though!

Sitting here in a truck stop east of Oklahoma City waiting for some wicked weather... will probably be here tonight and tomorrow night as well.

Yesterday I was in VA, last Friday I was in New Jersey, and Sunday I was in So. Cal. I get around, I get around wooo oooo oooo... (isn't that strange... for some reason I can't call that Beach Boys song up well enough to quote the lyrics LOL)
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:18 PM
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37. All the above
Good luck with the weather and I hope you're enjoying your travels.
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 07:01 PM
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64. How dare you imply that both sides do it!
:P

Are you a Freeper? Go over to that other site, FREEPER! :P
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 07:16 PM
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68. CAUGHT
Damn...

And it took so long...

:evilgrin:
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:02 PM
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33. It is kind of odd how the heckler keeps on with his obscenities --

-- even though he can surely see someone is taping him. And generally speaking adults don't think it is okay to call children "f*********ts". No liberal or progressive that I know personally would do that. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it were staged.

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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 03:56 PM
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47. "No liberal or progressive that I know personally would (call children "f*********ts)"
The author of this thread called her a piece of shit. It's not much of a leap from "piece of shit" to "fucking brat".

:shrug:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 04:13 PM
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49. Welcome to Scotland, deal with it.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:05 PM
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34. YES. Screaming obscenities at 14 year old girls is the BEST way to win them over to our side.
Go hecklers!!!!!
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DoBotherMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:19 PM
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38. The heckling was staged
If anyone really wanted to find this person who heckled, I'm sure it could be done. Dana ; )
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:38 PM
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39. That was my first thought too...
They should have never put this kid in this position after all the crap they have stirred.
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 03:22 PM
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43. What bullshit did she spew?
Can you post some exact quotes of what she said?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 04:13 PM
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48. That the deficit can be reduced by cutting taxes. It's bullshit and she should shut her trap.
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 04:19 PM
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52. I watched the video and I couldn't make out a word she said.
Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 04:19 PM by Rage for Order
Do you have a link to a different video?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 04:21 PM
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53. See the other thread about it. The newspaper article summarized what she said she believed in.
I'm not linking because I don't care to.
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Terra Alta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 03:27 PM
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44. When I was 14
I was what could be described as a "teabagger". Then I grew up, got a job, and became a liberal Democrat. Maybe this girl will grow up and realize how wrong she once was.. no need to heckle her. Just my opinion.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 04:17 PM
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51. The above subject line tells me that you have overcome the problem
of prizing civility.

Strange way to refer to a child, even one with whom one disagrees.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 04:31 PM
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54. Calling a 14 year-old a piece of shit is a new low for DUers, I believe.
n/t
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 05:06 PM
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61. And what does that say about the OP?
Please don't answer that, its a rhetorical question. Our mods have enough to do.
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 04:35 PM
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55. Completely agreed. And fuck the teabaggers for hiding behind a kid, too.
In other countries kids are, right now, caught up in revolutions and this brat thinks heckling is harsh. Welcome to the reality of your fascist friends' policies, kiddo.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 04:41 PM
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57. At they very least they chose and dressed somebody to not look 14.
And I'm not implying that she was dressed provocatively. Quite the opposite. She looked like a 30 yr old church lady.
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 04:51 PM
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58. Well, if anyone still wants to make the argument...
That this was a right-wing setup, I offer this thread as evidence that a lot of DUers would have said the same thing had they been given the chance.

When I was 14 and living with my parents, I was a bit of a rabid conservative myself...and the more I saw my liberal friends insulting right-wingers, the less I wanted to switch over.

So yeah, even if this was a setup, we don't need to insult this girl. It's low and doesn't do either side any good.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 04:54 PM
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59. I would not say that 'heckling' and 'calling people out on their bullshit'
are at all synonymous. Calling out bullshit would involve honestly pointing out what's wrong with a person's position - and it's perfectly possible to do that civilly.

Calling someone names might be fun(ny), but it does nothing to advance honest discourse. And I'm just going to assume you're taking dramatic license when you suggest that condemning heckling endangers freedom...
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 04:55 PM
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60. If I could rec only one post, I would rec this one
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 06:48 PM
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62. parlocking this thread
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TNLib Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 07:03 PM
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65. Teabaggers love to use their kids as props
Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 07:04 PM by TNLib
Putting your child in the forefront of that kind contentious political rally is irresponsible.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 07:09 PM
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67. You're confusing be rude and crass with being honest.

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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 02:07 PM
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70. If she's 14, I'm the Queen of Sheba.
I saw the photos of her. No way she's 14 years old.
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 02:24 PM
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71. Queen of Sheba has spoken
we have a new conspiracy.
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