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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 04:24 PM
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(Wis.) Deal reached for hand recount in 31 counties for Kloppenburg Prosser race.
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 04:25 PM by Ellipsis
Madison Supreme Court Justice David Prosser and Assistant Attorney General JoAnne Kloppenburg have reached a compromise on doing a hand recount in their tight race in certain areas of the state but not the entire state.

Dane County Judge Richard Niess approved the deal Thursday, allowing the statewide recount to continue with the hand recount in the specific areas.

Jim Troupis, an attorney for Prosser, said the hand recount would be held in areas in which older voting machines do not allow their data to be copied, which would require their data to be destroyed before the machines could be used in a recount. That would involve municipalities in at least 31 counties.

"In those areas, we've agreed to a hand recount," Troupis said.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/120373999.ht...
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 04:26 PM
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1. We need a hand count on a state-wide basis!!!!!
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 04:37 PM
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3. Yep, we need to be checking where we don't think there is a problem. That's
where the devil is.
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dragonlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:04 PM
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10. This is actually a good deal for Kloppenburg
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 05:05 PM by dragonlady
The 31 counties cover most of the population centers, and many of the other counties count paper ballots by hand on election night (see my post below). Besides, that, Kevin Kennedy told one of our DUers that in the recount by optical scanner, the ballots would be inspected before putting them through the machine and observers might keep track of who won each ballot --see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6qzLI7FtNk .

Edit to add: every county will be recounted, so this is not a situation like Florida in 2000.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:21 PM
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14. I wish I could recommend your post separately,
dragonlady. TY.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 04:36 PM
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2. K & R n/t
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 04:41 PM
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4. I 'm pretty sure this would include Waukesha county with the Optech eagle and memory card.
I'm checking as to which counties it includes.
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dragonlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 04:57 PM
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9. Waukesha is included
The GAB's court filing of today says 34 municipalities in Waukesha County use the Optech. See http://gab.wi.gov/publications/other/recount/circuit-co... for the list of all the affected counties. It includes most of the main population centers--Milwaukee, Madison, Oshkosh, Green Bay, Racine, Eau Claire, La Crosse, Fond du Lac, and Waukesha--and numerous other counties. Also bear in mind that some counties normally count by hand without machines. See the map at http://gab.wi.gov/elections-voting/voting-equipment/vot... (paper ballots are used in the green areas, optical scan in blue, and DRE in pink).
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iwishiwas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:28 PM
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16. Thanks very much. Very helpful.
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 04:44 PM
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5. Compromise?
if they are already compromising what counties will be hand counted and the Repukes agree to it, nothing will be found. I am afraid that the fix is in and a full hand recount of the state is needed. I hope that the Dems realize this or it will be just another one they have stolen.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 04:46 PM
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6. Sounds exactly like Bush-Gore recount.
Repubs refused to recount all the votes. That should not be something to agree to.
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 04:54 PM
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7. United States Supreme Court ruled this unconstitutional.....
In Bush vs. Gore the issue was recounting in some areas of Florida and not others and thus not equal protection under the law.

At least that was my understanding. I suppose we are all supposed to just forget that ever happened.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:44 PM
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20. Good point. I had forgotten this issue...
and am hazy on how it played out.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:48 PM
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23. The whole state IS getting recounted, forensically this is what need be done.
To preserve potential differences of the original vote on the memory cards.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:51 PM
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25. Wait wait... what? Could you please explain this ?
forensically this is what need be done To preserve potential differences of the original vote on the memory cards

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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 06:13 PM
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28. The original vote is still stored on the removable memory cartridges. They have no back ups
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 06:21 PM by Ellipsis
cartridges for a re-vote they would have to clear the memory. The original electronic tally would be lost.

Here are some with the top casing removed.


They are pretty clunky looking compared to todays removable storage., and you can't just find them at radio shack. Looks they are just RAM, TTLs and Eprom chips with a battery attached.

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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 07:14 PM
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31. While you were answering my question I was finding the GAB lawsuit article
how hideously ironic...
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 07:54 PM
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32. Yeah, I was too. Did you read the petiton by GAB/the ast. attorney general...
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 07:55 PM by Ellipsis
that "dragonlady" posted up thread?
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 09:46 PM
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37. self delete
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 10:01 PM by eowyn_of_rohan
irrelevant
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 04:56 PM
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8. deal? are there not plans for how to execute?
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:06 PM
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11. I thought the Wisconsin Supreme Court would select the winner. . .
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:08 PM
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12. Counties with Primarilly Optech Eagle
Brown, Dane, Eau Claire, Fon Du Lac, Green Lake, Jefferson, La Crosse, Menominee, Milwaukee, Oconto, Oneida, Outagamie, Racine, Rock, Sheyboygan, Waukesha,
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:46 PM
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22. I don't see why she included Dane where she took 73% of the vote
was that part of the "compromise"?
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:53 PM
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26. Both Prosser and Kloppenburg are on the petition
Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser's attorney backtracks on vow to block recount in race against JoAnne Kloppenburg

MADISON Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prossers attorney has backed off from his promise to challenge any recount in Prossers race against challenger JoAnne Kloppenburg.

County tallies completed last week show Prosser has a 7,316-vote lead over Kloppenburg. Prossers lawyer, Jim Troupis, promised on Monday to challenge any request from Kloppenburg to seek a recount.

She filed a request for a statewide recount with state election officials on Wednesday. Troupis hasnt objected and on Thursday agreed to a partial hand recount in some counties. He said Prosser wants to get the recount done to prove he was re-elected.

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20110421/APC0101/11... |newswell|text|APC-News|s
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 07:12 PM
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30. I see, thank you
my head is swimming
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:12 PM
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13. They need to check to see if there was any modification
after the polls closed.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:24 PM
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15. Interesting... Counties with ESS Accuvote 2000 Scanners
Calumet, Chippewa, Door, Green, Kenosha, Ozaukkee, Sauk, St. Croix, Vilas, Walworth, Washington, Winnebago.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:40 PM
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19. CHECK THIS OUT L. Coyotes vote shift map and Wisconsin counties that have ESS Accuvote Scanners


Calumet, Chippewa, Door, Green, Kenosha, Ozaukkee, Sauk, St. Croix, Vilas, Walworth, Washington, Winnebago.




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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:51 PM
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24. I can't interpret that. Can you help me?
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 06:01 PM
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27. Look at Ozaukee, Waukesha, Menominee, Door and Winnebago counties.. the red shift.
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 06:03 PM by Ellipsis
They all use the accuvote system.

Forest county uses paper ballots.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 06:53 PM
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29. Thank you.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 08:33 PM
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35. That is not a pattern.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 08:57 PM
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36. You may be right, but I'll bet, the rep from St. Croix is from Mnpls. Green counties, is Chicago
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 09:19 PM by Ellipsis
The entire population of Florence County is 5500 people. They stand to benefit hugely from the open pit mine just proposed. ...And encouraged by Walker ... so throw that one out.

I mentioned to you when you called the election early that Winnebago needed to come up in percentage before you should have called it. Frankly knowing it as I do... the vote there should have been higher. There were also anomalies reported in Winnebago.

Menominee is basically "The Res" as in the Menominee reservation. That just doesn't seem right... but truthfully I don't really know.

Take the hwy 41 corridor into consideration in you thought process and look again



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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 10:29 PM
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39. Duh, Your right. Menominee uses Optech Eagles My bad.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 10:01 AM
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41. The state-wide mean is a -3.45% shift from the Walker vote. On a county by county basis ...
The state-wide mean is a -3.45% shift from the Walker vote. On a county by county basis, there are two outliers ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

This was early on, without Brookfield, a small impact in a large county:

Menominee -14.84% (One precinct only)
Milwaukee -5.20% (15.2% of state votes)
Forest -2.17%
Ozaukee -1.83%
Outagamie -1.53%
Waukesha -1.46%

........

Columbia 8.27%
Wood 8.46%
Richland 8.85%
Bayfield 8.97%
Sawyer 9.12%
Ashland 9.12%
Dunn 9.66%
Iron 9.71%
La Crosse 9.86%
Chippewa 9.94%
Juneau 10.10%
Polk 10.14%
Pierce 10.23%
Eau Claire 10.33%
Grant 10.53%
Monroe 11.25%
Douglas 12.18%
St. Croix 12.31%

No outliers on the other end of the sort.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:35 PM
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17. If Prosser agreed to it , it isn't enough
been away from the computer all afternoon, come back to this... ugh
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:37 PM
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18. That was my feeling. n/t
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:44 PM
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21. Mine as well.
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 05:44 PM by Ellipsis
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 07:58 PM
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33. There should't be any "deals" or "compromises" when it comes to counting votes.
Vote counting is truly "the beating heart of democracy", as coined by Thom Hartmann, and it should never be compromised in any way.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 08:03 PM
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34. Actually the compromise benefits Kloppenburg. She can still ask for a full hand recount.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 10:23 PM
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38. K & R
:kick:
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 11:42 PM
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40. This is very good.
Except ... only two of seven in Brookfield? I'd feel better if we could count all seven.

Still, this is a win.
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