the debt ceiling was raised SEVEN TIMES during the bu$h* administration

[spanone]

just so we know when the whining starts...


Bush Administration Adds $4 Trillion To National Debt


But the government is taking no chances. Buried deep in the hundred pages of bailout legislation is a provision that would raise the statutory ceiling on the national debt to $11.315 trillion. It'll be the 7th time the debt limit has been raised during this administration. In fact it was just two months ago, on July 30, that President Bush signed the Housing and Economic Recovery Act, which contained a provision raising the debt ceiling to $10.615 trillion.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500803_162-4486228-500803.html

[Kingofalldems]

1. Yeah but it's different now--repubs and teabaggers said so

[spanone]

2. funny how that works, eh?

[treestar]

3. Effing hypocrites

It clearly is all about the game and winning to them. Nothing else.

I wish more of the voters would see that.

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[slipslidingaway]

5. More Dems in congress voted for the bailout bill, also raising the debt ceiling...

was included in many war funding bills, but we never heard too many objections from our party.

:(

[Kolesar]

11. Tea or "Grand Old"? eom

[slipslidingaway]

12. ??? Where were the objections from Dems while this was taking place? n/t

[hedgehog]

6. Aaaaand now the Teabaggers tell us the only way out is to slash

and burn - eliminate most government functions aside from national defense and eliminate the social safety net.

Coincidence?

[QED]

7. Only other peoples' safety net.

When Matt Taibbi interviewed them for his October 2010 Rolling Stone article, he said he was struck by how they believed their programs should be supported but not those for other people.

From article:

"Let me get this straight," I say to David. "You've been picking up a check from the government for decades, as a tax assessor, and your wife is on Medicare. How can you complain about the welfare state?"

"Well," he says, "there's a lot of people on welfare who don't deserve it. Too many people are living off the government."

"But," I protest, "you live off the government. And have been your whole life!"

"Yeah," he says, "but I don't make very much." Vast forests have already been sacrificed to the public debate about the Tea Party: what it is, what it means, where it's going. But after lengthy study of the phenomenon, I've concluded that the whole miserable narrative boils down to one stark fact: They're full of shit. All of them. At the voter level, the Tea Party is a movement that purports to be furious about government spending — only the reality is that the vast majority of its members are former Bush supporters who yawned through two terms of record deficits and spent the past two electoral cycles frothing not about spending but about John Kerry's medals and Barack Obama's Sixties associations. The average Tea Partier is sincerely against government spending — with the exception of the money spent on them. In fact, their lack of embarrassment when it comes to collecting government largesse is key to understanding what this movement is all about — and nowhere do we see that dynamic as clearly as here in Kentucky, where Rand Paul is barreling toward the Senate with the aid of conservative icons like Palin.

Link:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/matt-taibbi-on-the-tea-party-20100928

[Enthusiast]

18. Excellent post.

The Tea Party ain't shit. But the media pretends they are.

We are surrounded. We are surrounded by an insane Tea Party, Republican governors from hell, complicit Democrats, a complicit DOJ, a complicit SCOTUS and a complicit media. We literally have no chance. At least I do not see one.

[slipslidingaway]

10. My question is where were the Dems when this was taking place...

most voted to continue funding the wars while raising the debt ceiling, and no mention of how the general budget would pay back the SS bonds.

I would love for someone to post links to all the great speeches in Congress and media interviews where the Dems made this an issue While it was happening.

:shrug:

[Enthusiast]

17. A direct result of their starve the beast strategy.

If we get a President Pawlenty expect war with Iran and or Pakistan.

You think Ryan's cuts are bad? Just wait until we tack another war onto the debt.

[WatsonT]

8. It warms my heart to see the "it's fine if we do it because Bush did it" defense

Hope and Change and doing the exact same thing as the last administration.

Oh well, at least we haven't gotten in to any pointless military adventures in some oil rich muslim nation . . .

[spanone]

9. what a bullshit remark. facts are not endorsements.

[WatsonT]

13. So this is a history lesson

Completely separate from the ongoing discussion about raising the debt ceiling?

In no way is this being proposed as a way to justify doing it now?

I find that unlikely.

[spanone]

14. find it anyway you like

[slipslidingaway]

15. There's Opportunity in the Debt-Ceiling Vote for the Democrats Too

http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/2166-There-s-Opportunity-in-the-Debt-Ceiling-Vote-for-the-Democrats-Too

"...So the debt-ceiling vote is probably the Democrats’ best shot at getting any of their legislative priorities through the Republican House. It’s an opportunity for a Defense-cut-heavy budget-balancing program, an extension of unemployment insurance benefits for the million of unemployed workers who have exhausted all their benefits, or tax cuts targeted at the middle-class. So far, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of thinking along these lines, but for folks like the long-term unemployed who are looking for a way to get something through the gridlocked Congress, this is an opportunity that is going to come and go fast."

[Enthusiast]

16. Debt really doesn't matter

in the times of a Republican President.

This can be verified by going back to hear criticism of deficit spending early in the Clinton Administration yet there was no criticism from these same critics under Reagan.

Republicans go wild crying about the deficit when there is a Democrat in the White House. And the corporate media backs them 100%.

[SpiralHawk]

19. And now Republicon hypocrites want to afflict America with their pretend 'conservativism'

What a load of Republicon horseshit.