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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:15 PM
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I won't be tolerant.
I've noticed something about a lot of RWers and even some democrats. Whenever you criticize a group that supports the Right be it, religious fundamentalists, racists, or T-baggers, homophobes, fascist or others, they scream about tolerance. I'll be honest I won't tolerate racism, homophobia,T-party ignorance, or religious fanaticism. I will oppose those views and challenge them whenever I encounter them, I would no more let a racist T-bagger religious nut preach their hateful views without being challenged than I would let a Nazi sing the praises of Hitler without being called out on it. They may tell me to be tolerant of their dangerous fascists views, but to them I say: Your tolerance makes me sick!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:21 PM
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1. Tolerance of assholes is overrated. nt
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:26 PM
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2. Yup. So is "bipartisanship." nt
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:21 PM
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10. That's a joke. nt
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 10:36 AM
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16. I know...but I am truly sick of "bipartisanship" used as an excuse
to sell out to the right wing crazies.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:27 PM
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3. "I won't be tolerant."
....nor should you be tolerant....to be tolerant of the intolerant is to acquiesce to their intolerance....reactionaries must be challenged whenever or wherever they're encountered.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:28 PM
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4. ya i have issue with sexism..."racism, homophobia,T-party ignorance, or religious fanaticism"
too
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Throd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:28 PM
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5. INTOLERANCE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:32 PM
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6. that is a spiritual funny
once you become tolerant of the intolerant....

there is a bet of freedom. it is not standing by quietly, just knowing they got to that place by experiences, education, environme and is their journey. can certainly help education along, but not with hate.
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BOG PERSON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:49 PM
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19. LACK OF TOLERANCE IS INTOLERABLE
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:05 PM
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7. Tolerance is a tool, not an absolute way of life
If it doesn't work, do something else, or die.

Tolerating intolerance doesn't work, if your goal is to preserve even some tolerance.
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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:07 PM
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8. Excatly my point.
If we tolerate these fascist, reactionaries, religious nuts, then you can be sure they won't be tolerant to us if they get any power.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:13 PM
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9. I have a high tolerance for oxycodone and whiskey.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:23 PM
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11. Yeah I can't (and won't) tolerate fascism either....
There IS a line that I won't cross when it comes to toleration.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:35 PM
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12. Good for you and thanks for saying so. I'm disgusted and have had it with those who...
Abuse liberals and progressive in groups, who endlessly profane and taunt, and when called on it, they ask them plaintively:

'You don't think that I'm a bad person, do you?'

And then all the liberals gather around to say:

'Oh no, you aren't a bad person, just expressing your opinion.'

Good people crawling on hands and knees to soothe the feelings of racists, etc. who proclaim this stuff.

I've got news for these hatemongers:

If you persistently call for people who you don't agree with on politics to harm and shame, use anti-women, anti-gay, racist and other such slurs on a continuous basis, discounting their humanity:

You ARE a bad person. Grow up and act like an equal member of the human race or be shunned!

I came to DU, not because of right wingers, but seeing liberals act like battered spouses minimizing hateful words and threats.

:dem:

:kick:

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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:37 PM
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13. Hear, hear! K&R n/t
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:27 PM
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14. You are a liberal so they know calling you intolerant will invoke an automatic "no I'm not and I'll
show you how tolerant I can be". It is a tool psychopaths use called labelling. You are right to not fall for it. I bet they have been schooled to use that word.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:45 PM
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15. I am reminded of a Karl Popper quote:
Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal."
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:36 PM
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17. KICK
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:39 PM
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18. RWers are bullies.
Be tolerant of bullies? I don't think so.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 02:02 PM
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20. Could you please add classism to that list?
Now that it is no longer as acceptable to espouse racism, etc., that free-floating rage and hate seems to land on poor and homeless people MORE, but we have no NAACP, or NOW, or Anti-Defamation League, or any other "protective" organization.

We are on our own, and we get HIT.
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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 02:36 PM
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21. Classism needs to be combated as well.
Honestly, I think a lot of the things I mentioned are symptoms of classism.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 06:22 PM
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22. Those may indeed be symptoms, but if CLASSISM isn't mentioned specifically, it is ALWAYS swept you-
know-where.

I have come to the conclusion that you have to be really poor, and dealing with all the effects of that before you really see just how ignored poverty is.

And thank you for being willing to add it. We can't keep surviving being left out.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 06:48 PM
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23. I won't tolerate it either.
While I'll never again ignite an argument about free/hate speech (the French burka law has turned me against the idea of thought crimes) I will say that it still doesnt change the fact that I hate that racists, sexists, homopobes, bigots, neo-Nazis, and other douchebags can say whatever hateful, ugly shit they want without consequence. I still hate that they can get away with it. But I'm not going there again.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 06:57 PM
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24. oh please. no one is asking you to tolerate the tea bagger or fundies
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