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Libyan Revolution Day 57
Links to sites with updates: AJE Live Blog April 15 (today) AJE Twitter Dashboard The Guardian Telegraph feb17.info Libya Alhurra (live video webcast from Benghazi) libyafeb17.com

Twitter links: Ayman Mohyeldin, with AJE Ben Wedeman, with CNN tripolitanian, a Libyan from Tripoli Brian Conley, reporter in Libya FreeLibyanYouth, Libyan advocate LibyaFeb17.com twitter account ChangeInLibya, Libyan advocate

Useful links: feb17voices Current time in Libya Prayer times in Libya

Day 56 here.

Marching On in Libya, for the revolutionaries!


A rebel fighter manned an anti-aircraft gun in the desert outside Ajdabiya, Libya

Photograph: Ben Curtis / Associated Press


Libya's Pathway to Peace
Together with our NATO allies and coalition partners, the United States, France and Britain have been united from the start in responding to the crisis in Libya, and we are united on what needs to happen in order to end it.

Even as we continue our military operations today to protect civilians in Libya, we are determined to look to the future. We are convinced that better times lie ahead for the people of Libya, and a pathway can be forged to achieve just that.

We must never forget the reasons why the international community was obliged to act in the first place. As Libya descended into chaos with Colonel Muammar el-Qaddafi attacking his own people, the Arab League called for action. The Libyan opposition called for help. And the people of Libya looked to the world in their hour of need. In an historic resolution, the United Nations Security Council authorized all necessary measures to protect the people of Libya from the attacks upon them. By responding immediately, our countries, together with an international coalition, halted the advance of Qaddafis forces and prevented the bloodbath that he had promised to inflict upon the citizens of the besieged city of Benghazi.

Tens of thousands of lives have been protected. But the people of Libya are still suffering terrible horrors at Qaddafis hands each and every day. His rockets and shells rained down on defenseless civilians in Ajdabiya. The city of Misurata is enduring a medieval siege, as Qaddafi tries to strangle its population into submission. The evidence of disappearances and abuses grows daily.



Rebels warn of 'massacre' in Misurata
Al Jazeera's Hoda Abdel-Hamid, reporting from Benghazi, said that "Gaddafi's forces are still using their fire power" in "quite significant" ways.

"They did pound the city of Misurata," said Abdel-Hamid. "According to an opposition spokesman, they were actually queuing up at a bakery this morning when they came under attack by Grad missiles," said Abdel-Hamid.

She added that Misurata's port, the entry point for any humanitarian aid, had also come under attack.

"We have seen some pictures and some very graphic videos of wounds and casualties in Misurata - stuff we really can't broadcast because they're so graphic - but they do tell you about how bad the situation is in that city."


Libyan Port City, Under Siege, Brimming With Migrants Desperate to Exit
MISURATA, Libya A passenger vessel chartered by an international aid organization entered the port of this beleaguered city Thursday afternoon, pressing on in spite of heavy artillery or rocket barrages earlier in the day with the mission of rescuing migrant workers stranded by the Libya war.

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Unconfirmed estimates claim as many as 1,000 people of have been killed. Medical officials said at least 23 people were killed and many more wounded early Thursday, when a barrage of 80 or more rockets landed beside the port where the Ionian Spirit docked. As two journalists from The New York Times left the harbor in the evening, the smoldering remains of damaged shipping containers could be seen. Smoke rose in places in the city, which at the moment was quiet.

The vessels mission was urgent, said Jeremy R. A. Haslam, head of the crisis response team on board, as the Ionian Spirit, a brightly painted vessel that usually plies the Greek, Italian and Albanian coasts, steamed on the nearly 19-hour passage from Benghazi, the rebel capital in eastern Libya.


Apparently if it weren't for NATO's "intervention" the rebels would've been quieted already in Misrata, and Misrata would be at peace. Or so I'm told... :puke:

Tales from a besieged city in Libya
One man we met a few days ago was an 87-year-old. We found him lying in a hospital bed in Sfax receiving treatment for an injury to his stomach that he sustained about a month ago. On the day in question, he told Amnesty International, Colonel al-Gaddafis forces were approaching the outskirts of Misratah. He was in the passenger seat of a pick-up truck heading from his home towards his fields about seven kilometres south of Misratah when the vehicle was struck by two rounds fired from what appears to have been a 14.5mm calibre weapon he thought it might have been an anti-aircraft machine gun near the area of Gherian.

The driver escaped injury but the elderly man was wounded and required an operation and three days of treatment at the Mugama al-Iyadat hospital. He then returned to his home a few kilometres west of Misratah expecting to have a happy reunion with his relatives.

But when he got there, he found members of Colonel al-Gaddafis forces present. They entered his home and took away his son-in-law and his 26-year-old grandson. Since, then, he has had no news of them and he does not know their whereabouts.


Rebel Leader Finds Hope In 'Courageous' Misrata
Ali Tarhouni shocked his University of Washington students when he abruptly left his faculty job to try to help wrest Libya from leader Moammar Gadhafi's 42-year grip on power.

Then, Tarhouni, who became the opposition's finance and oil minister, startled even his rebel colleagues by getting on a fishing boat last week and sneaking into Misrata a western city under siege by Gadhafi's forces.

It wasn't the usual workday for a de facto Cabinet minister, even in these extraordinary times. Tarhouni spoke to NPR on Thursday about his daring clandestine trip to bring money and moral support to the place he calls Libya's "small Leningrad."


Female Colombian snipers 'fighting to defend Col Gaddafi in Libya'
Prisoners loyal to Col Gaddafi and eyewitnesses in Misurata, the largest city in western Libya partially under rebel control, have given accounts of highly-trained women snipers from the South American country operating in the area.

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None of the Colombians have yet been captured or killed but according to rebels they are part of a wider force of snipers basing themselves on high buildings in Misurata.

The female fighters are likely to be members of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), which has been fighting Colombia's government since the 1960s.

Information found on computers belonging to Raul Reyes, a FARC commander killed by Colombian soldiers in 2008, indicated that the guerilla group has long-standing links to Libya.




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Video of the convoy sent to take Benghazi, taken from a dead soliders cell phone (shows how massive the operation was): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWwOeZqz6M

Sky News went with Gaddafi minders to find a "civilian town bombed" only they were never shown any such thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5KJavfiQo

TNC presser talking about various details of the revolution (thanks to Waiting for Everyone): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Topic on the women of the revolution, dispels myths that they are treated poorly: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Videos to bring the Libyan Revolution into context:

The Battle of Benghazi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vChMDuNd0

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaPnMnpCAA

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzwQvcx62s

Tea of Freedom Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5tu5bJWKc

Latest indiscriminate shelling in Misurata: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wop3C4zrPXI

Text of the resolution.

How will a no fly zone work? AJE reports: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWEwehTtK2k

Canada: Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission Norway: Norway to join military intervention in Libya Belgium: Belgium ready for a military operation in Libya Qatar and the UAE: Run-up for Western worlds next military commitment ... with unusual support Denmark: Denmark ready for action against Gaddafi France: Following U.N. Vote, France Vows Libya Action Soon Italy: Italy to make bases available for Libya no-fly zone-source United Kingdom: Libya: UK forces prepare after UN no-fly zone vote United States: Nations draw up plans for no-fly zone over Libya Jordan: Military strikes on Libya 'within hours' Spain: Spain Expected to Join NATO No-fly Zone Enforcement over Libya

"One month ago (Western countries) were sooo nice, so nice like pussycats," Saif says in a contemptuous sing-song tone."Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers. (But) soon they will come back, and cut oil deals, contracts. We know this game." - Saif Gaddafi


(Yeah, Saif, as if you weren't "cutting oil deals, contracts" with western states. Who are the 'tigers' now? Bombing your own people.)

A Legal War: The United Nations Participation Act and Libya
The above link is to an overview of why Obama's implementation of the NFZ and R2P is perfectly legal under the law. I will not post it entirely here, however, all objections come down to the misinformed position that Obama, by using forces in Libya, was invoking Article 43 of the United Nations. This is wrong. Obama invoked Article 42, which does not require congressional approval to implement. Proof of this is that Article 43 has never been used.

It goes like this: The US law (Title 22, Chap. 7, Subchap. XIV 287d) grants the President the right to invoke UN Article 42 without authorization, the War Powers Act (Title 50, Chap. 33 1541) grants the President permission to act without authorization under "specific statutory authorization" which, by definition, is what 287d does. 1543 of the War Powers Act requires the President to report to Congress, which he did. One can argue all day and night about the legality of the War Powers Act, doesn't change the fact that under the law as it is written, the President acted within the law.


March 10 7:28pm Saif al Islam Gaddafi says "the time has come for full-scale military action" against Libyan rebels. He goes on to say that Libyan forces loyal to his family "will never surrender, even if western powers intervene".


Libyan Karzai? Chalabi? Forget it
Fortunately, the Council wasn't made-in-the-USA or manufactured by another foreign power. Rather it came into existence, a month ago, at Libyans' own initiative, soon after the winds of revolutionary change blew Libya's way, and after its people rose to the occasion with pride and courage.


Getting Libya's Rebels Wrong
Don't buy Qaddafi's line: The rebels aren't al Qaeda.


Who Are the Rebels?
During weeks of reporting in Benghazi and along the chaotic, shifting front line, Ive spent a great deal of time with these volunteers. The hard core of the fighters has been the shababthe young people whose protests in mid-February sparked the uprising. They range from street toughs to university students (many in computer science, engineering, or medicine), and have been joined by unemployed hipsters and middle-aged mechanics, merchants, and storekeepers. There is a contingent of workers for foreign companies: oil and maritime engineers, construction supervisors, translators. There are former soldiers, their gunstocks painted red, green, and blackthe suddenly ubiquitous colors of the pre-Qaddafi Libyan flag.


A vision of a democratic Libya
The interim national council, formed by opposition groups in Libya, has said it will hold free and fair elections and draft a national constitution. Here is its eight-point plan in full.



Mohammed Nabbous, killed by Gaddafi's forces while trying to report on the massacre in Benghazi

"I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid to lose the battle" -Mohammed Nabbous, a month ago when all this began


I'm struggling to come up with something to say about this man. I was not aware of the Libyan uprising until I saw Mo's first report, begging for help, posted here on DU. I was stricken. Here was a man giving everything he had to explain a situation that clearly terrified him, I would not call him a coward in that moment, but you could see the fear in his eyes, and desperation in his voice. For 30 days Nabbous would spend many hours covering the uprising in Benghazi. For many nights I would go to sleep with the webcast of Benghazi live on my computer screen, looking to it occasionally to be sure it was still 'there.' Mo treated the chat room as if we were his friends, and in some way, we were. I never signed up to LiveStream to thank him for all his work and it seems somewhat shallow to do so now, given that I was a lurker for so long. Ever since I took over posting these threads "Libya Alhurra" has been linked as a source of information. It wasn't until last night, when I posted, and twitter posted on Mo's adventures out into Benghazi to try to determine the truth of the situation, that Mo's webchannel became a hit, over 2000 people were watching him stream live. This was curious to him because he'd done many reports like this in the past but he appeared somewhat bemused that the view count exploded as it did. Last night Mo became a star. This is a man who first started out with a webcast replete with fear and desperation finally overcoming that aspect of himself and losing that fear, to become someone who was a fighter for the resistance just as much as those who held the guns. Reporting on the front lines of Benghazi became his final act, and for that he should never, ever be forgotten. I'm so sorry Mo that I never got to know you better.

Mo's first report, which many of you may remember, begging for help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EXALI60hg

Mo's last report, a fallen hero trying to spread the word to the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecu_iWLn-rg

Mo leaves behind a wife who is with child, she had this to say about the No Fly Zone and R2P UN resolution:

We started this in a pure way, but he turned it bloody. Thousands of our men, women, and children have died. We just wanted our freedom, that's all we wanted, we didn't want power. Before, we could not do a single thing if it was not the way he wanted it. All we wanted was freedom. All we wanted was to be free. We have paid with our blood, with our families, with our men, and we're not going to give up. We are still going to do that no matter what it takes, but we need help. We want to do this ourselves, but we don't have the weapons, the technology, the things we need. I don't want anyone to say that Libya got liberated by anybody else. If NATO didn't start moving when they did, I assure you, I assure you, half of Benghazi if not more would have been killed. If they stop helping us, we are going to be all killed because he has no mercy anymore.


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  - Seems as though Qatar is supplying the rebels.  tabatha   Apr-14-11 07:19 PM   #6 
  - U.S., allies see Libyan rebels in hopeless disarray  tabatha   Apr-14-11 07:22 PM   #7 
     - All they have is an inch.  joshcryer   Apr-14-11 07:33 PM   #8 
        - I would say so.  tabatha   Apr-14-11 07:40 PM   #10 
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  - Video: State TV claims to show Gaddafi touring Tripoli this afternoon  joshcryer   Apr-14-11 08:00 PM   #13 
  - This video is so fucked up. Gaddafi saw the kid fall, turned and pointed...  joshcryer   Apr-14-11 08:12 PM   #16 
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  - How Libyan Rebels Built Their Own Cellphone Network  tabatha   Apr-14-11 08:56 PM   #20 
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  - K/R -- and cross-posted in GD --  defendandprotect   Apr-14-11 11:15 PM   #28 
  - Libya Celebriation video:  joshcryer   Apr-14-11 09:36 PM   #23 
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  - Encouraging to hear -- !!!  defendandprotect   Apr-14-11 11:15 PM   #29 
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     - I have added some Syrians on Twitter  MedleyMisty   Apr-15-11 06:28 AM   #50 
  - K&R  catchnrelease   Apr-14-11 11:54 PM   #31 
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  - "Apologists" Isn't that strident?  David__77   Apr-15-11 02:34 AM   #37 
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  - Saved ---  defendandprotect   Apr-15-11 03:09 PM   #80 
  - Thank you -- saved -- !!  defendandprotect   Apr-15-11 03:06 PM   #79 
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     - Some psychotic superiority complexes there.  tabatha   Apr-15-11 11:18 AM   #66 
        - Her background is interesting  pinboy3niner   Apr-15-11 11:26 AM   #67 
           - Interesting backgorund.  tabatha   Apr-15-11 11:39 AM   #69 
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  - Horror of the bakery queue: Women and children among 16 killed in rocket blitz by Gaddafi's troops  tabatha   Apr-15-11 01:11 PM   #73 
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  - Some good news !!  tabatha   Apr-15-11 02:31 PM   #77 
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  - LIBYA HURRA -- !!  defendandprotect   Apr-15-11 03:25 PM   #89 
  - NYT: Qaddafi Troops Fire Cluster Bombs Into Civilian Areas  Iterate   Apr-15-11 03:41 PM   #90 
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  - Libyan Rebels Skype With Lehigh U. Students  tabatha   Apr-15-11 04:48 PM   #96 
  - Online Volunteers: Verification support for OCHA Crisis Map of Libya  tabatha   Apr-15-11 04:51 PM   #97 
  - Libya (and Beyond) LiveBlog: Calling for Assistance  tabatha   Apr-15-11 04:54 PM   #98 
  - CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 12:01 AM SATURDAY, APRIL 16  pinboy3niner   Apr-15-11 05:01 PM   #99 
  - Anger and grief as Gaddafi continues his savage assault  tabatha   Apr-15-11 05:01 PM   #100 
  - Cluster Munition Coalition condemns use of cluster munitions by Libyan armed forces  tabatha   Apr-15-11 05:17 PM   #101 
  - World Medical Camp for Libya  tabatha   Apr-15-11 05:37 PM   #102 
  - I'm glad you're here, Tabatha  pinboy3niner   Apr-15-11 05:54 PM   #103 
     - Have a good weekend, pinboy3niner  tabatha   Apr-15-11 05:55 PM   #104 
     - You're an awesome person  MedleyMisty   Apr-15-11 05:58 PM   #105 
     - Yep, I'll keep it updated tomorrow, take a well needed weekend pinboy3niner.  joshcryer   Apr-15-11 07:36 PM   #109 
  - Unseen mental scars of war descend upon Libyan community in the opposition east  pinboy3niner   Apr-15-11 06:14 PM   #106 
  - Kick. (nt)  Kurovski   Apr-15-11 07:17 PM   #107 
  - LPC #Misrata: Night-time update: Shelling continues. Concern for the port "Misrata's Lung" #Libya  Iterate   Apr-15-11 07:26 PM   #108 
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:05 PM
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1. Current time in Libya, 2:05am Friday, April 15
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:06 PM
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2. War compounds the plight of Libya's mentally ill
War compounds the plight of Libya's mentally ill
BENGHAZI, Libya Fatma, a tall, brown-eyed mother of five, was cured of a bipolar disorder for eight years, long enough that doctors closed her medical file. The war in eastern Libya, however, has stirred up those old torments.

In Ajdabiya, a flash-point town where forces loyal to dictator Moammar Gadhafi waged a terrifying assault against rebels, Fatma locked herself and her children in their home for five days. When rumors spread through town that Gadhafi had recruited foreign fighters, Fatma was gripped with such fear that she couldn't stop shouting, "The mercenaries are coming!"

She's one of a growing number of Libyan civilians who bear invisible scars from a conflict that's stretched for two months: the psychological trauma of a seemingly unending cycle of street battles, artillery barrages, coalition airstrikes, government propaganda, economic upheaval and extreme uncertainty.

Doctors in Benghazi, Libya's second largest city and the capital of the rebel east, say that visits to the psychiatric hospital there have increased 50 percent since the revolt against Gadhafi's nearly 42 years of one-man rule began in mid-February. The patients comprise relapsed victims of mental illness, such as Fatma, as well as people who are experiencing symptoms for the first time.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:10 PM
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3. Talks fail to reach consensus on Libya - video (AJE)
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:13 PM
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4. Interview: Robert Hunter speaks on Libya unrest - video (AJE)
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:14 PM
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5. Libya: Misurata mourns its dead as Gaddafi strikes continue

Source: The Telegraph





The university professor's eyes were red-rimmed from sleeplessness as he stood among the mourners.


By Ben Farmer, Misurata9:00PM BST 14 Apr 2011
Follow Ben Farmer on Twitter



"The barrage wasn't random, it was meant to hit civilians and Nato is doing nothing to help us," he said, to angry growls of assent from men who gathered around.


As he spoke, eight coffins carrying the latest victims of the siege of Misurata were borne past to a makeshift, playground cemetery almost within sight of where they had died. "Gaddafi is doing this to show that Nato cannot protect civilians. What is happening is a disaster, Misurata is really a disaster," Dr Faraj Garman said.

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Early prayers had not long finished and the besieged city was emerging to its daily wartime routine yesterday when the rockets fell without warning. At least thirteen were killed and 25 wounded in heavy salvoes at 6.30am and 7.30am. Between 60 and 80 Grad rockets landed among residential streets.


The worst carnage happened as residents and migrant workers joined a long bakery queue for their daily ration of bread. When the first rockets landed, many of those waiting sheltered in a garage. Moments later a rocket struck five feet from its entrance, blasting shards of steel into those huddled inside and killing six.

...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindi...







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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:19 PM
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6. Seems as though Qatar is supplying the rebels.
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 07:21 PM by tabatha
http://twitter.com/#!/bencnn

Emir of Qatar tells CNNs Wolf Blitzer that rebels in #Libya could have weapons provided to them by #Qatar.

Many fighters in Ajdabiya wearing brand-new desert military boots they say were supplied by #Qatar. #Libya

Source in Benghazi tells me new and more deadly weapons are being supplied to anti-Qaddafi forces in Misrata. #Libya
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:22 PM
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7. U.S., allies see Libyan rebels in hopeless disarray
(Reuters) - Too little is known about Libya's rebels and they remain too fragmented for the United States to get seriously involved in organizing or training them, let alone arming them, U.S. and European officials say.

U.S. and allied intelligence agencies believe NATO's no-fly zone and air strikes will be effective in stopping Muammar Gaddafi's forces from killing civilians and dislodging rebels from strongholds like Benghazi, the officials say.

But the more the intelligence agencies learn about rebel forces, the more they appear to be hopelessly disorganized and incapable of coalescing in the foreseeable future.

U.S. government experts believe the state of the opposition is so grave that it could take years to organize, arm and train them into a fighting force strong enough to drive Gaddafi from power and set up a working government.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/14/us-libya-usa-...
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:33 PM
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8. All they have is an inch.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:40 PM
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10. I would say so.
Not a movie buff at all, so had not seen that before. It is apt.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:38 PM
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9. Barack Obama: Qatar crucial to coalition's success in Libya
Barack Obama: Qatar crucial to coalition's success in Libya
President Barack Obama said the coalition acting to keep Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi from attacking his people would have been impossible without the support of the tiny Gulf Arab nation of Qatar.

"We would not have been able, I think, to shape the kind of broad-based international coalition that includes not only our Nato members but also includes Arab states, without the emir's leadership," Obama told reporters after a meeting in the Oval Office with Emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani. "He is motivated by a belief that the Libyan people should have the rights and freedoms of all people."

Officials in Doha confirmed that the Gulf state is supplying anti-tank weapons to Libyan rebels in Benghazi as part of its strategy of working to overthrow the Gaddafi regime.

Nato planes bombed the capital, Tripoli, where Libyan state television showed footage of a defiant Gaddafi cruising through the streets in a green safari jacket and sunglasses, pumping his fists and waving from an open-top vehicle.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:52 PM
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11. Nato commander of Libya mission pleads for specialised fighter jets
Nato commander of Libya mission pleads for specialised fighter jets
The Nato commander in charge of the operation in Libya has issued a plea for more specialised fighter jets to join the operation if civilian casualties are to be minimised.

At a meeting of Nato foreign ministers in Berlin, Admiral James Stavridis asked for more "precision fighter ground-attack aircrafts" which could best identify land targets, said Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the Nato secretary general.

The US military has the world's most sophisticated warplanes, but Rasmussen insisted Stavridis had not singled out the Americans when making his plea. After its lead role in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US has taken a back seat in the Libyan operation, leaving Britain and France to lead the charge against Muammar Gaddafi.

The US ended strike missions earlier this month, depriving Nato of warplanes such as A-10 Warthogs and AC-130 gunships, which can be more accurate than higher-flying jet fighters for ground-attack missions.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:58 PM
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12. Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy: no let-up in Libya until Gaddafi departs
Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy: no let-up in Libya until Gaddafi departs
President Obama today signals the return of America to the forefront of the international effort in Libya, writing a joint article with David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy in which the three leaders commit their countries to pursue military action until Colonel Gaddafi has been removed.

In the joint article, Obama reverses America's earlier cautious approach to the conflict which saw the US hand control to Nato and withdraw fighter planes just days after the intervention began and signs up his country to the more muscular intervention of his European colleagues.

Obama's new interest could transform the efforts of the international community after three days of talks in the Gulf state of Qatar in effect came to nothing.

Writing in Washington Post, the Times and Le Figaro, the three leaders say the world would have committed an "unconscionable betrayal" if the Libyan leader is left in place, putting rebels who have been fighting against the Gaddafi regime at the mercy of his government. If left, Libya risks becoming a failed state, they write.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:00 PM
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13. Video: State TV claims to show Gaddafi touring Tripoli this afternoon
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:12 PM
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16. This video is so fucked up. Gaddafi saw the kid fall, turned and pointed...
...but went back to raising his hands in celebration. What kind of sick fuck would do that?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:06 PM
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14. Video: Protests in besieged Misrata
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:07 PM
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15. Amateur Videos from Libya Show Frustration
Government restrictions on the media in the parts of Libya controlled by Moammar Gadhafi make it difficult to get uncensored news out of Tripoli. But a VOA correspondent has contacts in Libya and has received videos over the Internet that apparently show examples of government repression. We want to to share these videos with you and dissect what it is they show.

This is just a sample of the amateur videos sent to a correspondent's email account at Voice of America. The sender is a source I trust, and have used before. This source says the video shows forces loyal to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi abusing volunteer soldiers and rebel prisoners.

This interview comes from a different source. Both he and the woman are risking their lives in Green Square in Tripoli where Gadhafi supporters typically gather for demonstrations.

"We are the people who are fighting for the Libyan people," she said

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Amateur-Videos-from...
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:14 PM
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17. Where Has Libya's Oil Gone?
Other companies with a big Libyan presence are trying to save their operations by walking a fine line between the regime and the rebels. Italy's Eni (E) has spent years working with Colonel Muammar Qaddafi's government and has supported charities run by Qaddafi's son Saif. Yet Eni CEO Paolo Scaroni said in March that he isn't working with Qaddafi: He's in business with Libya's national oil company and will continue to negotiate with them no matter who's in charge.

.........

Most foreign companies are not taking sides. That appears to be particularly true of the U.S. companies, among them Marathon Oil (MRO), ConocoPhillips (COP), and Hess (HES). These three once operated together in Oasis Group, a joint venture that agreed to pay the Libyans $1.8 billion in 2005 to reclaim properties they had left because of sanctions and political pressures in 1986. Together the three would have produced about 90,000 barrels per day from their 13 million acres this year. They are keeping their plans and opinions about the conflict to themselves. In a typical comment, a spokesman for ConocoPhillips, which is losing about 45,000 barrels per day in production, says, "We do not have anyone available to discuss Libya."

..........

The bottom line: Oil companies face a challenge: resuming production as they try to keep channels open both to Qaddafi and the rebels.

With Zoe Schneeweiss, Alessandra Migliaccio, and Maher Chmaytelli. Reed is a reporter-at-large for Bloomberg News and Bloomberg Businessweek.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_17/b422...
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:19 PM
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18. Could Qaddafi warrants solve Obama's Libya crisis?
Could Qaddafi warrants solve Obama's Libya crisis?
UNITED NATIONS - President Barack Obama said that the United States intervened in Libya to prevent a slaughter of civilians that would have "stained the world's conscience." Today, France, at the NATO meeting in Berlin, asked the Obama Administration to resume air raids. Fighting is intensifying in several Libyan cities and the rebels opposing Qaddafi are warning of what they call a "massacre" unless NATO provides them more support against government forces.

The U.N. Security Council approved the NATO-led no-fly zone (with air strikes) to stop assaults by Qaddafi on his own people. Finally, the U.N. referred the conduct of Libya's leader to the International Criminal Court.

The Court is now planning to prepare arrest warrants for Qaddafi and his sons and expects to present evidence that the regime of Muammar Qaddafi planned to kill civilians even before the revolt in Libya commenced as a way for Qaddafi to stave off the kind of rebellion that took place in Tunisia and Egypt.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:29 PM
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19. Iterate, I think, said that this would be happening soon.
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 08:33 PM by tabatha
(The warrants)
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:56 PM
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20. How Libyan Rebels Built Their Own Cellphone Network
Until recently, Libyan rebel had resorted to waving flags in order to communicate with each other in their fight against Muammar Gaddafi. Green flags signaled an advance, yellow flags signaled a retreat.

A rebel commander told the Wall Street Journal that Gaddafi "forced us back to the stone age."

Libya's cellphone network is under the control of one of Gaddafi's sons, and all calls are routed through the capital city of Tripoli where they can be monitored and controlled by intelligence agents.

But in early March, Libyan telecom executive Ousama Abushagur hatched a plandrawn up on a napkin, no lessto split a section of the country's cellphone network off so that calls could be made without being routed through Tripoli first.

Read more: http://techland.time.com/2011/04/13/how-libyan-rebels-b...

(Another report of this)
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:00 PM
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21. Libya: Misurata mourns its dead as Gaddafi strikes continue
Libya: Misurata mourns its dead as Gaddafi strikes continue
"The barrage wasn't random, it was meant to hit civilians and Nato is doing nothing to help us," he said, to angry growls of assent from men who gathered around.

As he spoke, eight coffins carrying the latest victims of the siege of Misurata were borne past to a makeshift, playground cemetery almost within sight of where they had died. "Gaddafi is doing this to show that Nato cannot protect civilians. What is happening is a disaster, Misurata is really a disaster," Dr Faraj Garman said.

He and hundreds of others had gathered yesterday in the port area of Ghasr Ahmad for a funeral which mixed anger, defiance and gnawing desperation.

Early prayers had not long finished and the besieged city was emerging to its daily wartime routine yesterday when the rockets fell without warning. At least thirteen were killed and 25 wounded in heavy salvoes at 6.30am and 7.30am. Between 60 and 80 Grad rockets landed among residential streets.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:26 PM
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22. Urgent statement from the National Transitional Council
Urgent statement from the National Transitional Council
The National Transitional Council (NTC) would like to bring to the attention of the international community the Gaddafi regimes latest statement concerning the situation in Misurata. As announced on Sunday 10 April, the regime has declared that it will use force to prevent any party from delivering medical and humanitarian assistance to the city of Misurata.

The NTC would also like to bring to the attention of the international community that the Gaddafi regime is accelerating attacks on Misurata, using sophisticated weapons including GRAD missiles, with the aim of breaching the city and massacring its civilians including women, children and the elderly. The mass killings have begun this morning.

The Council sends this appeal to the international community to assume its responsibilities, and move urgently to stop the anticipated massacre of men, women and children. The NTC is calling on the international community to use all necessary measures to ensure the implementation of UNSCR 1973 to protect civilians, by declaring Misurata an internationally protected zone, and insist on delivering medical and humanitarian aid to the people of Misurata who are subject to continuous indiscriminate shelling.

We appeal to the international community to continue their support of the Libyan people in their efforts to end the siege on our capital Tripoli and the western mountain areas. We urgently ask that they continue to support our struggle against the tyrannical Gaddafi regime and its oppression of our aspirations for freedom, democracy and dignity.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:15 PM
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28. K/R -- and cross-posted in GD --
Trust that was OK with you?

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:36 PM
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23. Libya Celebriation video:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:42 PM
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24. Article of guy who was imprisoned by Gaddafi's forces for 42 days:
Were sure they would kill me
NRK got Ammar al-Hamdan on the phone after he had come to Tunisia in the evening.

He says he was accused of being a double agent, on commission from both Norway and Qatar. Al Jazeera has its headquarters in Qatar, and this may be the reason why he was accused of spying for the Arab country.

He is hugely relieved to have been freed, and he says that a period he was sure he would be killed. His colleagues were released before him, and it led him to believe that the Libyan secret service would kill him.

The Norwegian citizen with Palestinian and Iraqi origin are happy tonight, so glad that it is difficult for him to describe it.

- Gaddafi has served 42 years in power. I have been imprisoned for 42 days, and when I was released I felt as though I was born again, "he said in an emotional interview with NRK.


Google translation.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:52 PM
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25. Western leaders insist 'Gaddafi must go' - video (AJE)
Western leaders insist 'Gaddafi must go'
Leaders of Britain, France and the United States have vowed to continue their military campaign in Libya until Muammar Gaddafi leaves power.

In a strongly worded, jointly written article published in newspapers on both sides of the Atlantic, British prime minister David Cameron, French president Nicolas Sarkozy and US president Barack Obama said leaving Gaddafi in power would be an "unconscionable betrayal" of the Libyan people.

"It is unthinkable that someone who has tried to massacre his own people can play a part in their future government," the leaders wrote in an opinion piece released on Thursday.

"So long as Gaddafi is in power, NATO and its coalition partners must maintain their operations so that civilians remain protected and the pressure on the regime builds," they said.


AJE has video at the link with analysis.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:15 PM
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29. Encouraging to hear -- !!!
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:54 PM
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26. Picture of the day


"Warning sniper in front of you"... one of the streets warning the city of Misurata Almqesbp Marine
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:06 PM
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27. A very connected feeling with these people --
even very intense -- but so far, far from actually knowing anything like

what they are going through!!


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:30 PM
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30. Why Aren't Western and Arab Media in Syria?
Why Aren't Western and Arab Media in Syria?
Its not on the front pages of the Western press, and its not leading the hour for the main Arab satellite networks like Al Jazeera and Al Arabiya, but the Syrian uprising continues apace, while the Assad regimes countermeasures are becoming increasingly brutal.

Yesterday brought more protests to Syriaand the Assad regime is tightening the screws. According to sources, security forces opened fire on protestors in Deraa, ground zero of the revolution, leaving twenty-five dead and hundreds wounded.

It seems that the security services have adopted an interesting tactic: abandon weapons with the hope of tempting protestors to pick them up, which the regime seems to believe would then justify the use of Qaddafi-like levels of violence to put down the uprising. One website, Ammar Abdulhamids Syrian Revolution Digest, is confirming a report that an army officer was shot by security forces for refusing to open fire on civilians.

The streets of other Syrian cities also filled with protestors, like Damascus suburbs Harasta and Douma, and then larger cities like Homs, Hama, Deir al-Zour, as well as Kurdish areas, like Qamishly, and, most dangerous for the regime, coastal cities with heavy concentrations of mixed Sunni and Alawite areas like Latakia and Tartous.


As Eben Moglen says, peoples lives are depending on the media to act. Syria is a case where the media is failing hard, even Al Jazeera. It's a flipping shame.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:22 AM
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33. Hi Josh. I don't know but maybe they aren't allowing foreign press in?
I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.

AJE have been covering it and I bet they'd have reporters in there if they could. There is a special section on their site, this banner is a live link to it...



I'm noticing the same thing happening with Syria that happened with Tunisia. Unless the "Western" media picks up on it no-one's really that interested. Look at what happens to my Syria posts in LBN, for example.

Here's the latest one I posted a couple of days ago: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Also, do an advanced search in GD and LBN dating back to January 06 2011, putting my user name in as the author & Tunisia as the keyword and check out the reaction to the 1st OPs. You'll see that what was happening there was totally ignored until the revolution itself actually happened. And even then there wasn't that much interest.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:28 AM
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50. I have added some Syrians on Twitter
I admit I'm not as hardcore into it as I am into Libya, but I'm trying to follow it and keep up.

More than one Libyan has said that what's going on there reminds them of the early days of their revolution and that Assad is more like Gaddafi than Mubarak or Ben Ali.
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catchnrelease Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:54 PM
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31. K&R
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:59 PM
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32. US officials: Iran helping Syria's Assad put down protests
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 11:59 PM by tabatha
Iran is providing Syria with gear to disperse the country's pro-democracy protests and is helping Syrian security forces block and track Internet and cellphone use among protesters, according to unnamed US officials quoted by The Wall Street Journal.

Iran's involvement, which could expand to other countries such as Bahrain, could challenge US and Saudi influence in the region, destabilize US allies, and heighten sectarian tensions, the Journal reported.

The Syrian protests that began weeks ago in the southern city of Deraa have now expanded to Aleppo, according to Reuters. They have steadily escalated, with tens of thousands turning out in the streets.

....

US officials' decision to disclose that they have been tracking Iran's efforts in Syria was made partially to reassure its Arab allies and Israel, who worry that the US is supporting the popular uprisings without thinking about the political consequences. The power vacuums created by the fall of strongmen could give Iran a tremendous opportunity to expand its influence, the Journal reported.

The Christian Science Monitor reports that if Assad's regime falls, Iran will work to install a leader even more hostile to Israel and the West, Saudi Arabia will try to sever all ties between Iran and Syria and bring Syria back into the mainstream Arab community, and the US and Israel will try to prevent the country's leadership from falling into the hands of an Islamist group or anyone hostile to Israel

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2011/...

(Complicated mess. Israel versus Iran. Iran's success at suppressing protesters. Not very hopeful for Syrian population.)
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:23 AM
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34. With Tripoli's rebel underground
He was rummaging in the boot of his car as we walked past. "Go forward," he instructed out of the side of his mouth. "I'll pick you up further on."

The car circled several times before he stopped. In a snatched conversation on the phone, he told us he feared he was being watched.

Eventually he felt confident enough to draw up. "You want to go to the fish market?" he called through the lowered window. "Get in."

No, we didn't want to go to the fish market, but as rare and highly-restricted westerners in Tripoli, we both needed a cover story for why we were getting in a Libyan's car.

Our contact was a middle-aged opposition activist in the heart of Muammar Gaddafi's stronghold. Fear and danger are rife; the stakes are high.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/15/libyan-rebe...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:42 PM
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75. kr
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:51 AM
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35. AJE: Clinton cites atrocities by Gaddafi forces
Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, says the US is receiving disturbing reports of new atrocities by Muammar Gaddafi's forces in Libya.

Gaddafi regime militias and mercenaries have fired mortar and artillery rounds into residential areas in Misurata, Clinton said in a statement on Wednesday.

She said that Gaddafis forces destroyed food warehouses and cut off water and power to the contested city in an apparent attempt to starve the people into submission.

Snipers targeted people seeking medical attention, she said, and thousands were being forced from their homes by tanks.

Full article: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/04/201141...
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:15 AM
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36. Some more articles for the Gaddafi apologists to chew on...
Edited on Fri Apr-15-11 01:34 AM by Turborama
...if you feel like adding them to future OPs.

Libya planned killing civilians - ICC: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/libya-pl...

UNICEF: Snipers targeting children in besieged Libyan city of Misrata: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/unicef-snipers-targeting-child...

Libyan wounded describe "hell" of Misrata: http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/9133948/liby... /

(Notice how they're not from US news sites, too)

And there's this...

AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL
Briefing

29 March 2011

Libya: detainees, disappeared and missing
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/MDE19/011/2011/...
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 02:34 AM
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37. "Apologists" Isn't that strident?
We need to overcome polarization on some basis.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 02:58 AM
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38. I haven't named anyone in particular. But if there are any out there who come across what I post...
...then they have been provided with some more articles to chew on.

Unless you're denying the existence of Gaddafi apologists?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 03:27 AM
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39. Mass Atrocities in Libya
Edited on Fri Apr-15-11 03:28 AM by tabatha
Mass Atrocities in Libya
Given credible reports of targetted violence against civilians, the newly merged Genocide Intervention Network/Save Darfur Coalition has called on the United States, United Nations, and other world leaders to embrace their responsibility to protect Libyan citizens. GI-NET/SDC is urging the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) to authorize the following actions:
http://www.genocideintervention.net/campaign/mass_atroc...

MELADY: Libyas atrocities resemble Ugandas
The brutality of Col. Moammar Gadhafis repression of the liberation movement in Libya is clear. He and his cohorts are using machine guns and planes to kill their own people. We saw similar brutality in the early 1970s when serving in the U.S. ambassadors post in Uganda. While all the evidence was present about the serious violations by Idi Amin, there was never a formal indictment of him by any legal jurisdiction. Amin, after an eight-year reign of terror, lived a comfortable exile in Saudi Arabia, where he died having escaped the criminal trial that he so deserved. The world should make sure that does not happen to Col. Gadhafi.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/10/libyas-... /

ICC opens probe on Libyan atrocities
THE HAGUE, Netherlands, March 3 (UPI) -- Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi is under investigation by the International Criminal Court in The Hague for alleged war crimes, the court announced Thursday.

Gadhafi, his top officials and members under his family are accused of using force against demonstrators who began protesting in the country Feb. 15.

ICC Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo said the court was opening an investigation into alleged violations of human rights laws in Libya.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2011/03/03/ICC-open...

Immediate International Steps Needed to Stop Atrocities in Libya
With credible reports of concerted deadly attacks against civilians committed by Libyan security forces, including the use of military aircraft to indiscriminately attack demonstrators, the international community must respond immediately.

For members of the world community, many of whom long condoned authoritarian regimes in the Arab world and only fully backed the Tunisian and Egyptian uprisings once the outcome had become clear, Libya presents a critical test. So far, the Libyan regime has offered its people no prospect beyond submission, civil war or a blood bath; its actions have condemned it in the eyes of its own people and of the world.
http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/publication-type/media-re...

Libya Atrocities: Canadian Oil Workers witnessed men beaten to death, set on fire
A Canadian Muslim who worked for an oil company in Libya has returned safely to Calgary but will be forever haunted by the atrocities he witnessed, reports CBC.

Arif Pervez told reporters he was working for the Libyan-based Waha Oil company in a desert village about 600 kilometres south of Benghazi when protests broke out.

A Libyan military plane landed at the local airstrip afew days into conflict, and soldiers rounded up oil workers and villagers.

The soldiers, Gadaffi's henchmen, randomly selected two men from the crowd before they beat them to death in front of everyone, he told CBC News.

""Four men were there to torture him," said Pervez, recalling how one of the victims died. "One was holding his hand. One was holding his feet, and they started beating him with a piece of wood, and he was shouting, screaming and crying." Pervez said they poured a flammable liquid over the man and set him on fire. "He started shouting a lot, so they continued beating him until he died," he said. Pervez said the soldiers left immediately after the killings."
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/8383038-libya...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 03:09 PM
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80. Saved ---
Think we need more cross-posting in GD --

Especially with post like this!!

:)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 03:06 PM
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79. Thank you -- saved -- !!
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 03:43 AM
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40. Two Western journalists missing in Libya; three spotted in Tripoli detention camp

Source: Washington Post




By Paul Farhi, Thursday, April 14, 8:01 PM

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Gillis, a freelancer who also works for USA Today, is among five Western journalists who have been missing and remain unaccounted for. Although the news is scant and sketchy, three of them, including Gillis, have been spotted by Western sources in a government detention camp in Tripoli.


The whereabouts of two others, South African news photographer Anton Lazarus Hammerl and American freelance journalist Matthew VanDyke, a Baltimore native who has been missing since mid-March, are unknown.

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The apparent detention of the journalists highlights the continuing hazards of covering the ongoing turmoil in the Middle East and northern Africa. The Committee to Protect Journalists, an organization that tracks government harassment of the news media, said there have been more than 500 attacks on reporters since unrest began to spread in late December. Nine journalists have been killed in the region since then, the organization said, including Zakariya Rashid Hassan al-Ashiri, a blogger in Bahrain who died while in government custody this week.


According to CPJ, at least 18 journalists and their assistants are missing or in government custody in Libya.


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http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/missing-w...








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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 03:54 AM
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41. Fierce fighting erupts in Ajdabiya
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 03:56 AM
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42. With Tripoli's rebel underground (must read!)
With Tripoli's rebel underground
He was rummaging in the boot of his car as we walked past. "Go forward," he instructed out of the side of his mouth. "I'll pick you up further on."

The car circled several times before he stopped. In a snatched conversation on the phone, he told us he feared he was being watched.

Eventually he felt confident enough to draw up. "You want to go to the fish market?" he called through the lowered window. "Get in."

No, we didn't want to go to the fish market, but as rare and highly-restricted westerners in Tripoli, we both needed a cover story for why we were getting in a Libyan's car.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 03:17 PM
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81. Startling in their courage vs all the dangers -- and G and his madmen ...!!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 04:37 AM
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43. NATO ministers meet amid Libya dispute
NATO ministers meet amid Libya dispute
BERLIN NATO foreign ministers sought to overcome deep differences over the military campaign in Libya on Friday, amid calls for the alliance to show a united front.

United States, British and French leaders, meanwhile, pledged in a joint statement to maintain the military campaign until Moammar Gadhafi leaves.

The alliance received no immediate commitments Thursday to provide further ground-attack aircraft for the fight despite French and British calls for more intense airstrikes against Moammar Gadhafi's forces.

Friday's main agenda includes meetings with officials from Ukraine and Georgia, and with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 04:37 AM
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44. Barack Obama: Qatar crucial to coalition's success in Libya



Gulf state praised by US president as Doha confirms it is supplying weapons to Libyan rebels in bid to overthrow Gaddafi


Ian Black in Doha, Chris McGreal in Benghazi and Harriet Sherwood in Tripoli
guardian.co.uk, Friday 15 April 2011 01.36 BST


President Barack Obama said the coalition acting to keep Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi from attacking his people would have been impossible without the support of the tiny Gulf Arab nation of Qatar.


"We would not have been able, I think, to shape the kind of broad-based international coalition that includes not only our Nato members but also includes Arab states, without the emir's leadership," Obama told reporters after a meeting in the Oval Office with Emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani. "He is motivated by a belief that the Libyan people should have the rights and freedoms of all people."


Officials in Doha confirmed that the Gulf state is supplying anti-tank weapons to Libyan rebels in Benghazi as part of its strategy of working to overthrow the Gaddafi regime.

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Qatari government officials were reluctant to talk about the delivery of French-made Milan missiles, thought to be by sea. "We need to send the Libyans equipment so they can defend themselves and get on with their lives," a senior source said. "These are civilians who have had to become fighters because of the situation."

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/15/barack-obam...







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 04:47 AM
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45. Gaddafi forces fired a hail of about 120 rockets into Misrata Friday morning
Libyan government forces fired a hail of rockets into the besieged city of Misrata, killing at least eight people, a local doctor told Al Jazeera.

He said seven other people, including children and old people, were wounded in the attacks. Residents told Al Jazeera around 120 rockets hit the city on Friday morning.

11:01am:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...





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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 03:18 PM
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82. k/r
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 05:02 AM
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46. EU Prepares Military Sea Corridor to Deliver Aid to Libya



April 14, 2011

Sharon Behn | Washington


European Union leaders are preparing a militarily-protected sea corridor to deliver aid to Libya should the situation in the North African country deteriorate to the point where humanitarian aid workers cannot help civilians caught in the crossfire.


The European Union is getting ready to launch military mission to support humanitarian aid work in Libya even as rebels are warning of what they are calling a "massacre" in the western city of Misrata. A rebel spokesman said at least 23 people were killed in attacks by forces loyal to leader Moammar Gadhafi near the port town Thursday.


The EU-proposed operation would create a safe corridor in the sea up to Misrata as well as on the ground to be able to reach out to those in need. EU officials say the operation would require a formal UN request and fall under the mandate of UN resolutions 1970 and 1973.


But Kristalina Georgieva, the EU Commissioner for International Cooperation, Humanitarian Aid and Crisis Response says the EU believes if they cannot reach people, if they cannot evacuate the wounded or help those civilians caught in the cross-fire, then there is no option but to provide military support.


http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/EU-Prepares-...







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 05:24 AM
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47. Bin Laden deputy against NATO campaign in Libya


The Associated Press


CAIRO In a video recorded before international airstrikes began in Libya, al-Qaida's deputy leader calls on Muslim nations to fight the United States and NATO if their forces enter the country.


Ayman al-Zawahri also calls on Muslim nations to fight the forces of Moammar Gadhafi.



http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/bin-laden-deputy-a...







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:07 AM
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48. Misrata hospital to 'treat patients on floor' as beds full--BBC
The BBC's Orla Guerin has been inside one of the hospitals which is overflowing with patients.

Her report shows a six-year-old girl who had to have more than 30 pieces of shrapnel removed from her body after her home was bombed. Doctors say if any more patients arrive they will have to be treated on the floor.

Doctors say they are "running out of essential drugs and supplies" and the medical staff is exhausted.

Misrata hospital to 'treat patients on floor' as beds full(1:29)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13092908





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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 03:18 PM
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:22 AM
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49. Lack of funds threatening UN Refugee Agency's work in Libya, neighbouring countries



Briefing Notes, 15 April 2011


UNHCR is facing a critical shortage of funds for our operations in Libya and neighbouring countries. Unless funds are swiftly committed by donor countries, this shortfall will likely impact vital humanitarian assistance for tens of thousands of people displaced by the recent fighting.


UNHCR has appealed for over US$68.5 million to cover the initial three to four months of the emergency. To date we have received USD$39.4 million, all of which has been spent or committed. We are calling on donor countries to urgently fund this shortfall.


Of the amount received, US$18.4 million has been contributed towards the joint UNHCR-IOM humanitarian evacuation of over 100,000 third country nationals from Egypt and Tunisia. Millions more have been spent on airlifting urgent aid supplies to Tunisia and Egypt, offering shelter and protection for tens of thousands of people awaiting evacuation, regularly trucking supplies into Libya and providing financial assistance to refugees and other vulnerable groups in Libya. Throughout Libya UNHCR has identified a need to expand activities to provide assistance to tens of thousands of displaced people and thousands of refugees who depend upon us for help.


UNHCR has a small team of national staff in Tripoli, who are doing their best to offer assistance to refugees and asylum-seekers registered with UNHCR. We consider the humanitarian needs in western Libya to be significant. UNHCR and partners are ready to offer humanitarian support in the west if and when permission is granted by the government.


We currently have emergency staff on mission in Tobruk and Benghazi in eastern Libya as part of an inter-agency team. Local authorities have identified over 35,000 displaced people, mostly from Ajdabiyya and others from Brega. They say that the actual number is likely to be around 100,000, since the population of Ajdabiyya is 120,000 and most people are thought to have left. While a few thousand have crossed into Egypt, the majority are displaced in Benghazi and Tobruk. According to the authorities, most of their basic needs are being addressed, thanks to the generosity of the local community. However, signs of strain are beginning to appear as a result of the deteriorating economic situation compounded by the fact that state salaries have not been paid for two months. The local authorities say more and more displaced people are approaching them for assistance every day.

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http://www.unhcr.org/4da81fcd9.html







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:34 AM
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51. Libyan opposition supporters: Zawahri's comments prove rebels are not al-Qaida fighters
From The Guardian's news blogs:


Libyan opposition supporters are holding up Zawahri's comments as proof that the rebels are not al-Qaida fighters:


Ssirgany:

Zawahri says Muslims should fight NATO in Libya (Reuters)... Zawahri just dispelled the Qaddafi lie about rebels being Qaeda


Libyan4life

FINALLY PROOF WE AREN"T WITH ALQAEDA!!! Al Qaeda's deputy leader Ayman AlZawahri has urged Muslims in #Libya to fight NATO forces.

We ASKED #Nato and the international community to intervene, why would we attack them?! 2/2 #YaRight #Dreamon #Libya #Feb17




http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/apr/15/libya-...






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:07 AM
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52. Update on todays attack on Misurata:
Gaddafis forces launched the attack with tanks at around 9am local time today, a rebel spokesperson told Al Jazeera. The number of causalities currently stands at eight but is likely to rise.

The number of dead in yesterdays attacks has risen to 23, and more than 40 injured. Rebel fighters destroyed five Gaddafi tanks yesterday.

1:20pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...






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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 03:19 PM
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84. !!!!!
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:35 AM
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53. Escalation in Libya hinted as NATO allies vow to build pressure on Gadhafi

Source: The Globe and Mail





Graeme Smith
Istanbul Globe and Mail Update

Published Friday, Apr. 15, 2011 8:13AM EDT
Last updated Friday, Apr. 15, 2011 8:19AM EDT



It's only part of a sentence, a vague declaration of intent, but Libya's rebels will be pleased with one specific phrase in the open letter published on Friday by the leaders of Britain, France and the United States.


The text repeated many of the familiar warnings that Colonel Moammar Gadhafi must leave power, and reiterated the NATO mission to protect civilians. However, the letter adds, so long as Gadhafi is in power, NATO and its coalition partners must maintain their operations so that civilians remain protected and the pressure on the regime builds.


It's the last part of the sentence, suggesting an escalation in efforts against Col. Gadhafi, that will encourage the rebels. They have been calling for stronger military action in a variety of forms: deployment of U.S. ground-attack aircraft, such as A-10 Warthogs or AC-130 Spectre gunships; supplies of anti-tank missiles capable of defeating Col. Gadhafi's upgraded T-72 tanks; even, optimistically, the use of NATO attack helicopters.

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/africa-mideas... /








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:46 AM
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54. How the Libyan rebels are going about trying to set up a functioning state--The Economist
The Economist has an interesting piece on how the Libyan rebels in Benghazi are going about trying to set up a functioning state.


The rebels have virtually no institutions to hold their eastern zone together. But the vacuum is steadily being filled. Courts have started to function again. The rebels have even set up an embryonic intelligence service. The nights have become quieter since the police, back in action, started to question people wielding unlicensed weapons. After dusk volunteers man checkpoints inside Benghazi and outside its main hotels. Businessmen say that mobile telephones and the internet will be reconnected to the outside world within a week or two. Despite the no-fly zone, aircraft and even military helicopters fly in and out of Benghazi's rebel-held airport.

http://www.economist.com/node/18530535


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/apr/15/libya-...






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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 03:20 PM
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85. kr
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:19 AM
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55. The Guardian's summary of Libya-related developments so far today:




Eight people have been killed in the western city of Misrata, after government forces bombarded the besieged city with Grad rockets again, a doctor at a local hospital told al-Jazeera. One person was reported killed in Ajdabiya, in the east of the country, when Gaddafi's forces opened fire on opposition soldiers on the western edge of the city.


Barack Obama signalled the return of America to the forefront of the international effort in Libya. In a joint article written with David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy, the three leaders commit their countries to pursue military action until Muammar Gaddafi has been removed.


Nato launched three new air strikes in and around Tripoli, striking a missile battery and two other targets, according to al-Jazeera.


Gerard Longuet, the French defence minister, suggested that a new UN security council resolution might be needed to help curb the violence in Libya. He expected countries such as Russia and China would "drag their feet" over any new resolution, however.


l-Qaida's deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahri has instructed Muslims in north Africa to rise up and fight Nato forces in Libya. At the same time, he said they should fight against Gaddafi's "mercenaries". Gaddafi had previously claimed the uprising against him was driven by al-Qaida.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/apr/15/libya-...







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:28 AM
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56. Red Cross update on Libya:
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) has given an update of its operations in Libya. On Misrata, it says:


The ICRC ship that docked there on 8 April delivered enough medical supplies to treat 300 patients with weapon-related injuries. Together with Libyan Red Crescent personnel, ICRC staff toured the streets in Misrata to assess the need for humanitarian aid.

More than 6,500 stranded foreign nationals were living in difficult conditions in the vicinity of the port in tents and under tarpaulins, waiting for boats to take them out of the city. "We don't want you to bring us food, we don't want water, we don't want any assistance, we just want to leave this place," said one of them.


The ICRC has highlighted problems the issue of weapon contamination:


Unexploded and abandoned ordnance scattered over areas where fighting has taken place represent a major hazard for the civilian population. Two children, 10 and 11 years old, were recently severely injured by exploding devices.

"We visited the hospital in Benghazi and were informed that the two boys, one of whom lost his eye and the other his leg, were treated there," said Srdjan Jovanovic, an ICRC weapon contamination specialist. "Raising awareness among civilians of the danger of such devices is an action that urgently needs to be taken to avoid more such incidents."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/apr/15/libya-...





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