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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:58 PM
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Our plan to end nuclear crisis may fail, says safety chief
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 03:00 PM by FourScore
Our plan to end nuclear crisis may fail, says safety chief
By Danielle Demetriou, The Daily Telegraph April 14, 2011 3:11 PM

Japan's nuclear clean-up continued to unravel Thursday as officials admitted there may be too much radioactive water in the damaged Fukushima Daiichi power plant for it to be pumped out...

SNIP

"...It may be difficult to completely remove the contaminated water and so allow work to proceed," he said. "We may need to think of other options."

Confirming that there were 20,000 tons of contaminated water to remove from the basement and tunnel next to the No?2 reactor alone, Mr Nishiyama said: "We will transfer the water next to the central radiation disposal building. We do not have a plan beyond that."

Five weeks after the earthquake and tsunami, there remains no clear end in sight for officials attempting to regain control over the nuclear crisis, which was recently raised to the maximum disaster rating of seven...

Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Calls+grow+Japan+qu...
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:02 PM
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1. And the Anti-Nukers are beside themselves with joy at all the
bad news they can post.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:05 PM
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3. Are you serious?
Validation for a no-nuke position is never a happy occasion.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:10 PM
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:14 PM
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6. some people can't handle the truth.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:45 PM
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11. And now the Pro-Nukers are besides themselves they'll get to put down people who are concerend
and belittle them for worrying about...um...the worst man-made disaster in history pretty much.

You get a pay check for this?
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:57 PM
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12. There's plenty of bad news industry cheerleaders to poo-poo
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 04:09 PM by intaglio
Found on thread TEPCO Confirms Reactor 4 Spent Fuel Pool...

Reactor 4 fuel pool is now an open air reactor. Source Kyodo News English

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According to TEPCO, radioactive iodine-131 amounting to 220 becquerels per cubic centimeter, cesium-134 of 88 becquerels and cesium-137 of 93 becquerels were detected in the pool water. Those substances are generated by nuclear fission.


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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:05 PM
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2. They could
pump it into an oil tanker for temporary storage and process it in the usual manner.
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Urban Prairie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:09 PM
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4. +1
But who would be willing to pilot and crew a tanker-full of highly radioactive H2O?

Probably much better unmanned barges with looong tow capability.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:27 PM
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9. It's close to 20,000 cubic meters of water.
Besides, the risk of losing that water into the ocean would be huge.

They may not get this finalized in 100 years. That's what I read on some news link last night.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:07 PM
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13. That would not fill
the ballast tanks which are located 400-500 feet forward of the accommodations.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:28 PM
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14. Holy crap. I just googled to see the volume a tanker can carry.
I had no idea they were that enormous. But it's still not a cargo one would be willing to leak into the ocean. I would think. It's an ignorant mess we're in. And if people knew how much easier the metric system is, we'd have changed over to that as well. It's just so stupid that this country fights off the good stuff.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:14 PM
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7. Advise to posters, ignore the ra-ra crowd on this
They have been wrong, and will continue to be wrong on this. The present crisis is the nuclear crisis of this generation. It is that simple. At this point, they do not deserve the acknowledgment.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:22 PM
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8. I'd been wondering about the water
It was quite obvious to me, a mere layman, that pumping thousands of gallons of water in, with no place to flush it to, would be a huge problem. Not as much problem as converting it all to radioactive steam to contaminate the world, but still, a huge problem.

In the 50's, when these reactors were hatched, we had NO solar or wind alternatives. Now that we do, ALL nuclear plants should be decommissioned and we should conserve and switch to renewable sources of energy.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:36 PM
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10. I got why they used the water...
They should have gone boron and sand a while ago... but that is another story.

I got it, but I also got it that it be a problem... anyway pool four is a mess right now

Radiation has risen to high levels above the spent-fuel pool at reactor No. 4 and its temperature is rising, the nuclear safety agency said Wednesday, indicating the fuel rods have been further damaged and are emitting radioactive substances.
The radiation level 6 meters above the spent-fuel storage pool at the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant was measured at 84 millisieverts per hour Tuesday. Normally, it's 0.1 microsievert.
The temperature of the pool was 90 degrees <194F>, compared with 84 <183> before it caught fire on March 15 in a suspected hydrogen explosion, the agency said.
"It's quite an amount," figured Hidehiko Nishiyama, a spokesman for the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency.

http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2011/04/fukushima-ra...

And you also have quite the effort to control the story line.

Most fuel in Fukushima 4 pool undamaged
14 April 2011
Radionuclide analysis of water from the used fuel pool of Fukushima Daiichi unit 4 suggests that some of the 1535 fuel assemblies stored there may have been damaged, but the majority are intact.


Concrete pump truck used to collect samples from the Fukushima Daiichi 4 spent fuel pool (Image: Tepco) Analysis of samples collected from the pool on 12 April detected higher than normal levels of radiation, with 220 Bq/cm3 of iodine-131, 88 Bq/cm3 of caesium-134 and 93 Bq/cm3 of caesium-137. Although it seems likely from the readings that some of the fuel may have been damaged, they suggest that most of the fuel assemblies remain intact, plant owner Tokyo Electric Power Co (Tepco) has said.

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS-Most_fuel_in_Fukus...



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