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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:39 PM
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Should teens make circumcision decision?
(CNN) -- Fifty-one years ago, Frank lost something he considers valuable. It was his foreskin, and Frank would like it back.

Frank -- he'd prefer not to reveal his last name -- knows his foreskin is gone forever, but he's angry he was circumcised as a newborn when he was too little to say yay or nay to a procedure that changed him forever, and that he believes left him with decreased sexual sensation compared with men who aren't circumcised.

"It's idiotic," says Frank, who works in marketing in Los Angeles. "It's mutilation of men."

As the American Academy of Pediatrics prepares to update its policy statement on circumcision, the debate rages on over whether boys should be circumcised at birth.

On the one hand, recent studies show circumcised men have lower rates of some sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV, and they're less likely to transmit diseases to their sexual partners.

On the other hand, circumcision involves pain for the baby -- how much is debatable -- and babies are incapable of saying whether they want it.
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/04/14/teens.circumcision...
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:40 PM
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1. When all else fails....
make popcorn.

:popcorn:
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:42 PM
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2. Hey, I heard Applebees serves Daiquiris and Margaritas to toddlers!
:popcorn:
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:43 PM
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3. Hell, these days, kids need a stiff one before dinner, too.
Especially at that dump.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:48 PM
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8. Circumcised toddlers!
:yoiks:
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:49 PM
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9. Pass me some of that popcorn
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:48 PM
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7. Buuuuuurrrrraaaaappppppppppp!
'scuse me, too much soda with popcorn.

:popcorn:

This is gonna start a flap.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:46 PM
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4. If I'd had to make that decision as a teenager
There ain't no way I would've made the choice my parents made for me. Since I was born at home, the evil deed was delayed for a month or so.

All these years later I still cringe at the thought.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:24 PM
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30. my ex had it done as a teen
and had horror stories to tell about the recovery period. needless to say, all of my sons are circ'd, but the decision was not up to me.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:47 PM
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5. Circumcision is genital mutilation that happens to be culturally acceptable in the US.
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 02:49 PM by qb
As for the prophylactic surgery argument... why aren't girls' breasts removed at birth to prevent breast cancer? Why aren't their genitals surgically modified to reduce the risk of contracting urinary tract infections? It could be done.

Unless there is an immediate medical need for it, circumcision is elective surgery that should not be done without the informed consent of the patient.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:00 PM
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38. As are tattoos and piercings self-mutilation too...
As are tattoos and piercings self-mutilation too... however I imagine we all justify and rationalize those cultural trappings we get done at the local tat parlor.

I would imagine mutilation is mutilation-- regardless of whether it's done to the genital, the nose, the lip or the bicep.
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:35 PM
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54. But if you tattoo something onto a newborn, your ass is going to jail.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:30 AM
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57. Most people in the US chose to have their own bodies tattooed or pierced.
Most circumcised men in the US did not chose to have the amputation performed.

Interesting DU rule: You are allowed to say you have had a part of your penis amputated, but you are not allowed to say you had a part of your penis pierced.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:30 AM
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68. If your view held true then you could never get a kid to go to the Dentist or Orthodontist.
:shrug:
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:47 PM
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6. How many other issues cause so many to run in and mock their insignificance?
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 02:53 PM by JackRiddler
Reasonable people who thought this was a trivial issue would simply not bother to click. Given that with discussions of infant foreskin removal you always have the reaction already visible above (for example, starting in Reply #1), what we have here is people who must think it's very important to emphasize how unimportant the issue is.

Which indicates something about it must make people uncomfortable.

The violation of defenseless infants, perhaps? The irreversibility of the procedure, and the fact that it was perpetrated on a majority of men in the United States and cannot be made good again? The endless rationalizations about hygiene and custom, recycled and reincarnated into new forms to fit each era?

The other reaction you get is the how-dare-you-compare this to female genital mutilation. This is pure divide and conquer. No one's debating which is worse (FGM is obviously worse). They're both violations practiced on people who will never have a choice about it. The only consistent position is to abhor and reject ALL forms of preemptive genital mutilation, whatever the rationalization.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:25 PM
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32. Oh, not really. It's just such a hot-button issue that it
just naturally attracts attention. Right along with all the other ones.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:51 PM
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10. If I had it to do over, my kids would not have been circumcised. n/t
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:53 PM
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13. I hear they're working on a solution using stem cells.
Could work, I suppose.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:51 PM
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11. Now, see what you started, you nasty person?
Distracting people from important issues like breastfeeding in public places where open carry is allowed. For shame!
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:53 PM
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15. You're a laugh a minute.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:54 PM
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17. Thanks!
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 03:03 PM by MineralMan
I do try to be circumspect with my commentary, especially under these circumstances.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:51 PM
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12. Is this to be based on circumstantial evidence? Just wondering. n/t
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:54 PM
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16. I think comments like that should be circumscribed by the admins.
But, again, that's just me.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:04 PM
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19. Not very circumspect. Think it through.
Do you really want to cut off debate like that?
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:09 PM
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22. I try to eschew circumlocution at all times.
I'd never circumnavigate around an issue, either.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:53 PM
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14.  heh
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:01 PM
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18. Breasts get breast cancer...we don't cut them off baby girls.
Read this and you will see some very good cases including many males who have to become females because of circumcision accidents. I think a male should get to make their own decision about their penis. http://www.noharmm.org/problem.htm
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:21 PM
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27. that comparison is as absurd as the one between circumcision and
FGM. And there are not "many" men who have had to become females because of circumcision accidents. I chose not to circumcise my son, but that hardly means I think circumcision is even close to FGM or cutting off breasts.

Fucking ridiculous arguments.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:37 PM
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37. The absurdity of the female examples makes the point.
Justifying circumcision as a prophylactic procedure is absurd.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 11:18 AM
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72. because they are not developed yet...Interesting idea though
:P
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:08 PM
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20. Wow.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:30 PM
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40. Seriously. Just . . . WHY?
WHY do people CARE about this sort of thing? Of all things to get mad about . . .
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:40 PM
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45. Malicious website in image.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:09 PM
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21. I think so, yes.
Circumcision is a lot more of a major change than, say, getting ears pierced or getting a tattoo--and about as necessary.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:14 PM
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23. I got nothing.
Getting circumcised as an infant ranks about 0.0000000000000000001 on my "Things to Get In a Snit About"-ometer.

I love my cut penis. It's a magical work of art. :)
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:15 PM
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24. Hey! You mean my penis is missing something?
Who knew?
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Change Happens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:15 PM
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25. Is this Frank Luntz?
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mysuzuki2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:16 PM
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26. When the Mohel goes out to dinner
does he leave the waitress a tip?
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:21 PM
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28. Nope. He orders the calimari.
K-boom-shhh!
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mysuzuki2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:30 PM
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35. Did you hear the one about the Mohel
who got fired? He couldn't cut it! Right back at ya.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:22 PM
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29. Only about their own.
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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:24 PM
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31. If they let boys decide for themselves when they're teens...
I guaran-goddamn-tee you that very few will opt to get part of their genitals cut off.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:28 PM
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33. Not always true. In some cultures circumcision of males is
a pubertal rite of passage. Boys in those cultures accept it because they're not considered to be men until they are circumcised. In other cultures it's a religious thing, handed down in scripture. Not every culture has the same idea about it.

I was circumcised as an infant. I never knew a thing about it until group showers in high school. Never thought a thing about it then, either.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:29 PM
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34. why would he be mad about his lowered risk of STDs and bladder
infections, not to mention improved appearance? Being born is also painful for babies, should that be stopped too? :nopity:
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:44 PM
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46. Appearance?
As an adult female, I will state that I don't think any man should be circumcised except for medical reasons.

Sexually, the uncut ones are much better because the foreskin reduces friction greatly, for both parties.

It is there for a reason. To make intercourse easy. The man slides around inside his own skin. If he's circumcised there is no extra skin, which can make both parties irritated and very uncomfortable.

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Fla_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:14 PM
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48. Hasn't really been a problem so far..
The again, my idea of foreplay isn't.. "Brace yourself" :evilgrin:







:smoke:
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 11:19 AM
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73. No pain no gain baby!
:rofl:
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subterranean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:36 PM
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50. Improved appearance?
That's your opinion.

"Being born is also painful for babies, should that be stopped too?"

That is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on DU. Being born is not optional. Circumcision is.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:16 PM
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51. "Improved appearance"?
That is HIGHLY subjective, to say the least. :eyes:
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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:31 PM
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36. This reminds me of the boy born without eyelids
This boy was born without eyelids and the parents were freaking out. The Dr. thought about it and came up with a solution. He said "When we circumcise the boy, we can make a pair of eyelids out of his foreskin". The operation was a success, but the boy turned out to be a little cock eyed. Ta tat bump!

You get it all here at DU!
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Modern_Matthew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:02 PM
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39. Yes. Even if just to shut up the elitists who claim they are superior to those with the foreskin. nt
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:37 PM
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41. I like dicks with the drapes. And without the drapes.
Mines drapeless - and it's like my best buddy.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:39 PM
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42. Slow day in GD again, I guess nt
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:39 PM
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43. No way!
DU should decide!

:rofl:
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:43 PM
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44. I like the mushroom look ... but hey ...
Maybe Frank ... and his "beans" ... should sue his parents ... for "shorting him".

Frank also did not have a choice in being born. He's probably lucky that mom and dad enjoyed a few drinks on the Friday night on which he was conceived, and that there was nothing better on TV that night.
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:47 PM
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47. Really Frank, get the fuck over it.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:13 PM
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53. Seriously
I think frank has problems that go a little deeper then a foreskin.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:48 AM
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64. No shit. There are people out there missing legs and arms...
they don't bitch and whine about what they don't have. They function just as well as any other person with limbs.

They go happily through their lives. Little kids, even...with smiles on their faces.


If Frank is otherwise healthy, and if his family is healthy, then he should be thankful.

"Mutilated". What a crock of shit. He should take a look at some little kid who's been beaten to a pulp or burned by its parents...children who have been maimed by land mines or bombs. Then come back with a different attitude. Seriously, I want to slap the shit out of him.

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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:18 PM
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49. Like a great co-pilot of mine often said: "Can I be Frank?"
"You can be Natasha."

:rofl:
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:21 PM
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52. You know, I understand being upset, but
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 10:21 PM by Union Scribe
there are likely some underlying issues with this guy, and anyone who lets a typical--whatever else you think about it--operation five decades prior define their capacity for enjoyment and fulfillment to that degree.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:36 PM
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55. Just asked 18 year old son if he wishes he was never circumcised...
His answer: "No, I actually prefer it." There ya go. ;)

I think Frank has issues. Why is he complaining about this at 51 years old?
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:44 PM
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56. I've got no skin in this game.
:rimshot:

Sorry... it's been a long, long day.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:27 AM
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66. Said Rabbi I. Kutchapeckeroff.... n/t
:hide:

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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:37 AM
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58. I am pro-choice on this subject, but I know many here are anti-choice.
My wife got in trouble in nursing school because she refused to watch circumcisions. She told me she wanted to hit the parents and doctor for abusing the baby.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:43 AM
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59. What's the deal with DU and circumcision?
I go for long stretches of time never even thinking about this topic except for the threads about it that crop up here three or four times a year.

Is this a common topic of discussion in real life for most of the world, and I'm just the weirdo who never really gives it any thought until I see a thread about it on here? Honestly, I never knew this was such a hot-button political issue until I first saw people getting their foreskins all wound up over it on here a few years back. I wonder if the FReepers get into flamewars about this topic, too... Don't really feel like spending enough time over there to find out. haha
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 11:08 AM
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70. Yes, the Freepers go nuts over this issue, too, as did the folks
on the Politics forum on Compuserve, way back when. I've always wondered if it was the same people everywhere who were bringing up the issue. Haven't been on Compuserve since 1998 and haven't been on Free Republic since 2006. Compuserve is long gone, and FR has been far gone since its beginning.

I think the circumcision issue comes up almost everywhere online.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:42 AM
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60. oh fer chrissakes -- teenage boys have problems deciding what haircuts to get
You really want to put an important decision like THAT in their lives? Look up the word TRAUMATIZE while you think about it.

Look, I'm a parent of an uncircumcised teenaged boy. But we opted out because of a medical condition that could have given him problems having it done.

I do recall the absolute WAVE of hospital employees who were aghast and shocked that we wouldn't automatically have him circumsized. There was literally *6* signs around his bassinet with HUGE lettering stating *NO CIRCUMCISION*. You'd have thought we had sentenced him to death!

He's had some acquaintances who have reacted strangely to the fact that he is whole. He doesn't have a problem with it.

Do I think our society has a hang up about foreskins? Yup. We were giggling yesterday about that new Arizona law, and wondering if he would be deported out of the state because he's not cut.

But I don't think teenage boys are mature enough to make the decision. They are just as hormonal and crazed as teenage girls are. Mess with their junk? Uhhh, no...

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Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:24 AM
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61. I wonder if they had cut a boy who wasn't supposed to be cut
sometime before that and got sued. It happens. All those signs and the "OMG" reactions of the staff could have been because they were trying to make damn sure it didn't happen again.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:43 AM
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63. it was more than that -- our son is a hemophiliac
And the over-reaction about EVERY aspect of his birth and aftercare was stunning, and looking back on it now, pitiful and laughable.

But he wasn't the only one not circumcized that weekend. There were two others, and both had what we laughingly called the Scarlet U on their bassinets.

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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:29 AM
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62. A grown man who laments his long-lost foreskin reeeeeeeally needs to get over it-
mine's gone, too -and I've got more important stuff to obsess about.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:31 AM
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69. Here's what I'm thinking...
I'm thinking he's probably jealous as hell imagining his long-lost foreskin out there having more fun than he is.

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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:16 AM
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65. What do they do in Europe? nt.
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67. Frank is probably 75 lbs overweight and impotent anyway.
Boohoo.
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71. .........
:popcorn:
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