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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:03 AM
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Cheap & easy way to handle the sleepy traffic controllers
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 11:05 AM by SoCalDem
When workers leave their shifts & are not replaced by another worker (leaving 1 controller in charge), they need a device that precedes plane-to-tower communication, with an air-horn blast that would wake up any dozing worker :) like a "ding" in an elevator that warns blind that they have arrived at their floor, this could cheaply be installed..and would only be activated when the workforce is minimal & traffic light enough to induce drowsiness..


sample
http://www.hark.com/clips/vxlrdygsyd-air-horn-football-...
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:05 AM
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1. Or they could have at least two controllers on duty at all times.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:07 AM
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3. That is optimal, but even with two on duty
if there is nothing going on, two can fall asleep topo...

sample:

http://www.hark.com/clips/vxlrdygsyd-air-horn-football-...

and then the communication from the plane probably would do it :)
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:30 PM
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14. Or not make them work 16 hour shifts
Or allow them to have frequent breaks. Or just restore the rules and pay rates prior to shrub.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 06:11 PM
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17. This.
If the concern is people working tired, give them a schedule that doesn't make them work tired.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:06 AM
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2. Why not just have an airhorn blowing at all times?
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:15 AM
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8. At the airports where sleeping has been causing problems...
the traffic on those shifts is really almost non-existant. Why not send the tower ops home around midnight and switch to regional control for the very few flights anticipated...or just shut the airport down between(choose hours)manned tower ops.

What do these single controllers do for lunch and other breaks? Graveyard shift can be a bummer if nothing is happening.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:40 AM
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12. or close the airport & reschedule planes so they land before closing
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:09 AM
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4. How about just rejecting the Republican Vision of cheap no-tax America and just have enough
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 11:10 AM by FSogol
people to do the job properly? :shrug:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:11 AM
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6. Optimal staffing is always preferred, but sometimes planes need to land in areas where
republicans have stripped the bones..

sometimes you have to act now and plan for later..unless you want to clean up plane crashes in the meantime..

No one has crashed yet, but I'd rather see an interim "fix" until staffing gets addressed..



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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:11 AM
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5. Don't laugh. Locomotive engineers have to deal with this. It's called an "alerter." When an engineer
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 11:12 AM by Brickbat
is driving a locomotive, there is a high-wattage utility light and a rapidly escalating klaxon that goes off in front of the engineer's face at random intervals every 30 seconds to 2 minutes. The engineer has a short time to hit a button to turn it off. If he doesn't, the locomotive automatically shoots the brakes and the train stops until the air brakes are pumped up again.

This alerter is on whether an engine is shoving stuff around in the yard or on a long-distance pull, whether it's an easy 7 a.m. to 4 p.m. shift or an extra 2 a.m. dogcatch, whether the engineer is looking over his shoulder trying to spot the conductor in the blizzard or eating his lunch while the train moves through an automatic dumper at .5 mph.

It's demeaning, distracting and very, very loud.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:14 AM
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7. I have heard about that device.. and yes I'm sure it's annoying Safety
can be annoying, but there's obviously a reason why these things get installed.. An annoyed rail employee vs train crash?..I know which I'd prefer..
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:19 AM
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10. You tell me which is safer:
An engineer focused on doing his job, or an engineer focused on when the alerter is going to go off again and trying to figure out how he can take his eyes off his conductor for five seconds while the train is moving so he can hit the alerter so the train doesn't shoot and throw the conductor off?

An engineer focused on watching the tracks in the dark, or an engineer trying to regain his night vision every 30 seconds after the alerter goes off in his face?

An engineer who hears an "all trains stop" bulletin loud and clear on the radio, or an engineer who misses the first call because the alerter is hollering at him?

This kind of crap isn't safe. It's insulting and it's a distraction.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:19 AM
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9. Yep.
When we were kids it was part of my father's tour of the yard. Everybody hated it.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:23 AM
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11. It makes me sick that people think it's OK to do that to someone while they're working.
If it's so safe, maybe EVERYONE should have one! IN THEIR CARS!
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mysuzuki2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:27 PM
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13. How about just opening a Starbucks
in every tower. I swear it's the only place they don;t have them anyway. Then they could get enough caffein to stay awake.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:34 PM
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15. what if they don't fall asleep?
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 03:38 PM by MindPilot
What if that single controller has a heart attack or even just a diarrhea attack?

Even when the guy has to slip out to go the bathroom, that means there is no one there.

There are a lot of jobs I look at--like the young woman late night at the gas station--and think "that person should not be working alone."
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:02 PM
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16. I thought you were going to say tasers the pilots could activate
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 06:22 PM
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19. Now if we all had tasers, noone would be getting tasered. Hmmm, wonder
if I could take a taser into church with me for protection. Taser don't kill... Uhh, wait a second, wrong thread/forum!

Nevermind.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 06:15 PM
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18. OR..... we could value workers and human life enough to pay air controllers what they USED to be
paid, for the reasonable hours they used to work.

I know.. that is just too rational to be considered.

Much better to blame the workers for what Raygun did.
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