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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:08 AM
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Prof authors an academic paper concluding Sarah Palin is probably Trig's grandmother, not mother.

Professor Bradford Scharlott of Northern Kentucky University has looked into this story in detail and written a long academic article about it. He concludes two things:

First, that the "conspiracy theory" is likely true--Sarah Palin staged a huge hoax, and, second,

The American media is pathetic for not pursuing the story more aggressively

Scharlott's article walks through all the evidence supporting the theory, including the photos of Palin in what is said to have been a late-stage pregnancy, the leisurely 20-hour trip home that Palin took after she supposedly went into labor in Texas, the refusal of the hospital where Trig was supposedly born to even confirm that he was born there (let alone who was the mother), strange statements from Palin's doctor and the McCain campaign, and so on.


And Scharlott concludes that, given that this hoax would be a massive fraud perpetrated on the entire country by a vice-presidential candidate, the media absolutely should have pursued the story more aggressively.

Because the mainstream media did not--and has not--pursued the story at all (let alone aggressively), Professor Scharlott has done some of the work himself. He has also attempted to explain why the media was so wimpy and gullible during the campaign.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-baby-hoax-20...
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:09 AM
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1. I knew it.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:49 AM
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38. me too
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:35 PM
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113. I'd like to know where Bristol was during that time.
People had to have seen her. I don't see anything new on this guys study. Don't get me wrong -- I believe it is possible there was a hoax. I find the whole story really wierd. BUT this author has more work to do before he's proven anything.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:43 PM
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129. Palin has always been an "obvious" phony.Bristol was partying her butt off.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:44 PM
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130. The whole family had to be clothed and "presented" to the voting public.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:46 PM
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132. What kind of candidate wink-winks at the camera during a political debate?
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:47 PM
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133. Also never forget the Catie Curic interview.A genuine look at a real phony.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #133
136. Her moral fiber is: "Just don't get caught" and "Deny, deny, deny"
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:45 AM
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213. Typical rightwinger -- !!
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #129
134. My point is this -- what did Bristol look like?
Did she look pregnant? Was she "vacationing in Paris"? What do people say about her? Or who does he think gave birth to the baby?
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #134
150. Bristol missed a couple of months of school due to "mono"
Story has legs.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:03 PM
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170. jeez.. That was the CLASSIC excuse for an "unexplained absence" back
in the 50's... That excuse, all by itself was enough to send the preggers alerts out loud & clear.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:02 PM
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201. Did she look as though she had put on weight before the mono?
That would still put her at 6 months. Women are definitely pregnant at 6 months!
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:21 AM
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238. My 7 year old niece had mono last year
I don't think the poor kid missed a full week of school. She felt awful for about a month, going home and napping immediately, but she didn't miss two months of school with it by any means.
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Cieran_WI Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:23 PM
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204. Bristol was out with mono for like 5 months.
Couldn't have an unwed daughter of the Governor showing up to school all preggers and stuff. So let's pull the ole' 1950's switcheroo, have the grandma claim to be the mother while the daughter stays out of school with mono.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:50 AM
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216. Interesting -- that would mean she would have been trying to limit weight gain to not show --
up to time of the "mono" --

Limiting eating -- especially greens/fresh vegetables/fruits -- is linked to

"Down's Syndrome" --

Q is whether the "switch" had always been planned -- or whether they thought a "son"

was more appropriate than a twice pregnant teenaged daughter?


hmmmm....

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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:58 AM
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254. You can be sick with mono for several months. I was. But I didn't go live with an aunt
while I was ill, and I've heard that Bristol did. That's exactly what unwed girls used to do.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:55 AM
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253. What makes you think it was Bristol's?
The oldest kid (track was it) was out there hell raising, vandalising school buses and getting high all the time. That's the reason he enlisted in the army was so he wouldn't have to serve time for the school bus incident.

Perhaps Track knocked up some girl.

Or perhaps Todd did.
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AllTooEasy Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:15 PM
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123. ...and Obama was born in Kenya. Until I see independant DNA tests,,,

...I'm not basing my opinion on a professor making speculative judgements while armed with only circumstansive evidence, regardless of whether the subject is a liberal or conservative.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #123
193. Good for you. Give the lying witch the benefit of the doubt. We know she wouldnt lie. nm
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AllTooEasy Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #193
261. I'm sorry, but I'm not a Trig Birther like you
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #261
264. Name calling is absurd. It usually means that one has no intellectual response.
I dont believe that Ms. Palin deserves the benefit of the doubt. If you do, bless you.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #123
206. Methinks
this blogger doth protest too much...
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:49 AM
Response to Reply #123
244. What a dumb remark.
BTW, it's "independent" not "independant". It's "circumstantial" not "circumtansive". Also, you don't need three commas in a row.

:eyes:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #244
258. but that's what makes it all too easy
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #123
257. it's always "all too easy" for simple mindedness
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AllTooEasy Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #257
260.  a simple mind would easily take stock in every rumor against an enemy.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 03:43 PM
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262. anyone repeating that Racist garbage you just did IS my enemy
Edited on Fri Apr-15-11 03:43 PM by fascisthunter
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AllTooEasy Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:19 PM
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265. Hey ass-clown, where's the element of race incorporated in my post?!

There's overly-sensitive and there's making shit up. You are best described as the later.

I bet you think this post is anti-Semitic. Oh wait, no, it's gay-bashing.

WTF?!
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:10 AM
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2. Republicon Family Values
as usual...
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:13 AM
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3. Donald Trump is sending birther investigators to a posh resort in Arizona as we speak.
No one was willing to go to Alaska until summer :rofl:
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:14 AM
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4. And yet the President's birth certificate is their concern...sigh...n/t
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:15 AM
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5. What happened to NE's story that Trig was Tawd's child by another
woman and Sarah decided this was the best way to solve the problem? Not a word...
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:28 AM
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23. A fertile (and sexually active teen) is 100% more likely
:)
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chowder66 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:06 PM
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81. Actually...mature mother's
Advancing maternal age. A woman's chances of giving birth to a child with Down syndrome increase with age because older eggs have a greater risk of improper chromosome division. By age 35, a woman's risk of conceiving a child with Down syndrome is 1 in 400. By age 45, the risk is 1 in 35. However, most children with Down syndrome are actually born to women under age 35 because younger women have far more babies.Having had one child with Down syndrome. Typically, a woman who has one child with Down syndrome has about a 1 percent chance of having another child with Down syndrome

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/down-syndrome/DS00182/...


I don't know if the professor looked into this aspect or not. I just remember a friend of mine and his wife had their childern later in life and they were told that there was a chance that their children could have downs. Gratefully, they were not born with any issues.
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #81
145. But the risk for younger women remains
It is not impossible for a teen to give birth to a Downs child.
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chowder66 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 06:39 PM
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147. I agree... but the chances increase with mature mothers.
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jc20 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:40 PM
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158. 15-19 year-old mothers...
There were about 410,000 live births to women between the ages of 15-19 in 2008. The chances of giving birth to a baby with DS in this age group is approximately 1/1250. So there were a few hundred of these babies born to women under the age of 20 in the US that year.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #158
217. Chances increase if young girl is limiting food intake to hide pregnancy --
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:36 PM
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127. that explanation reminds me of the intro to IDIOCRACY
With Tawd as the idiot who populates the earth.
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brewens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:21 AM
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6. Her supposedly hiding the pregnancy sure didn't add up. Why
would a so-called conservative woman do that? You'd think she'd be playing it for all it was worth, especially knowing he was a downs syndrome baby.
I had thought she was possibly hiding it because she planned on giving the baby away. Discretely finding someone to adopt the baby, so she wouldn't have to deal with raising a handicapped kid.
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reformist2 Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:22 AM
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7. Take a look at this pic from the Nat'l Governors Conference in 2008 - a few weeks before he was born
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 08:25 AM by reformist2
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nmbluesky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:34 AM
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14. look odd at TX Gov. Perry
he looks unhappy..maybe He couldn't stand by Bush..he dislike stand back
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:13 PM
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122. He looks like he was photoshopped in place.
He's probably pissed @ Rendell.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:32 PM
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125. He's looking in the wrogd direction

and he's the only person not smiling.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:08 AM
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19. Note Pawlenty next to Bush btw.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:55 AM
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62. I think she looks like she could be pregnant there.
Her face is fat and the hands seem to be farther out than with a flat stomach. Hard to tell with the black outfit.

The flying-while-leaking story never did make sense to me though.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:14 PM
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64. I thought she wasn't as the angle of her arms are straighter
than the woman next to her. Which would suggest that there isn't anything in her stomach to push her arms away from her.
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Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:28 PM
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85. The flying while leaking story is just so far out there.
She wasn't just flying while leaking. She was flying while leaking, four or five weeks premature, she was over 40, with her fifth child, and with a known Down's syndrome child. That's a whole long list of complications and potential complications. Also, it's not like she got on the plane right after her water broke. According to her, it was 10 or so hours later.

NO ONE in their right mind would do that. So, she's either lying and made the story up to impress people (which is pretty crazy in itself, telling that particular story, but wouldn't surprise me), or she's not in her right mind.
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uberblonde Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:22 PM
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99. Unless you consider another possibility.
Which is that she wanted her defective child to die. She might have starved herself during the pregnancy for the same reason. It's not unheard, especially with religious women who won't consider abortion.
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #99
124. That is not inconceivable.
Vile, but possible.
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Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:56 PM
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137. I have considered that, but , see, Tawd was with her
when she's supposed to have done it. They'd had four kids already, so he had to know that it was the WRONG thing to do. So even if SHE wanted that to happen, how do you explain his actions? That makes me think it didn't happen at all the way she said.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #99
218. Weirdly interesting --
but still the pictures -- others, this one doesn't show much -- seem to show

a non-pregnant Palin.

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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #85
139. Best summary ever.
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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #139
168. So obvious it's a "DUH".
Sarah honey...bless your heart...you are going DOWN.
bye..bye.. :hi:
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #85
190. I know. The story is just plain unbelievable. And this guy is right, the press let it slide.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:36 PM
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87. Photos of her previous pregnancies show her being enormous. And this was her 4th? 5th?
I can't remember how many children she has, but Trig is her 4th or 5th. Women look bigger with each pregnancy because the abdominal muscles stretch and never regain tone. Photos of Palin during previous pregnancies show her being enormous.

This could be a photo of a woman late in her first pregnancy, or a photo of a pregnant woman who always stays thin and never "shows" much, but it is absolutely not believable that this photo is of Sarah Palin late in her 4th or 5th pregnancy. No way. Either this photo (and the many others of her at the same time) were all photo-shopped to make her look un-pregnant, or she was not pregnant.
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d_r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:54 PM
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167. subsequent births
also tend to go faster. Not to feed the theory, I'm just saying I wouldn't get on a plane.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #167
191. And also makes your tummy pop out faster.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #167
219. Yes -- first births can go 24 hours or more with labor -- 2nd ... 24 minutes --- !!
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #62
209. Hardly... n/t
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pasto76 Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:10 PM
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120. That aint no pregnant chick! I can see her ankles!
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:40 AM
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249. Some of those people are obviously photoshopped.
Top row, fourth from right, for instance.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:23 AM
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8. the Media pursuing this story would have made her more sympathetic.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:27 AM
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11. Exactly.
Pursuing the details of a female candidate's pregancy would be considered way over the line, I don't care who she is. A couple years later, not so much, but during the campaign, it would be seen as really bad taste.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:22 AM
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22. the biggest reason why they did not was because it was a story centered on "lady-parts"
and another reason was that republicans just say NO when asked about stuff like this, and then they shut up about it... Media tires of being brushed off, and after being called bullies, they move on to other stuff.. republicans know how to play the game..

The pregnancy coincided with the whole season of Desperate Housewives' Bree faking a pregnancy to avoid "shame" for her daughter.. Tell me that Sarah is not a fan of that show :rofl:

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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #22
27. "Housewives of Wasilla"..We're talking a hit here, you betcha!....n/t
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:26 AM
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9. That would explain that long un-necesary trip to a remote hospital for Trig's delivery. nt
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:26 AM
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10. If there was a cover-up, then Palin used her position as governor to intimidate dozens of witnesses.
That's actually very important and something that the press ought to pursue because the implication is that the nation could have elected a VP who used her position as governor to intimidate.

We already know that Palin used her position as governor to get an Alaska state highway patrolman fired and smeared. She appears to have used her position as mayor of Wasilla to get her house build for free - and the media has ignored that as well.

I've always thought that Palin cut a deal with federal investigators and probably the Republican Party as well. She stepped down as governor and they stopped the investigations into her house construction and probably a lot of other forms of graft in which she and her husband were involved.

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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:15 PM
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65. I think the doctor should be investigated and if she committed fraud should be prosecuted
and lose her doctors license.
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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:23 PM
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70. Yes she should.
The doctor also, too, is a GP, not a specialist in deliveries of at-risk babies.
But, it should be noted that she is a member of Palin's fundie church. hmmmmm.
Oh and when she WAS questioned, she brought her lawyer along with her to the Q&A.
She NEVER SAID explicitly that SHE delivered TriG.
In fact, the hospital refuses to even say TriG was born there and ommitted him from their website of newborns.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #10
66. this sounds most likely
given her character, which we have all been able to observe, whether we wanted to or not.
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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:27 PM
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84. You may be right!
She's as crooked as the day is long.
HOUSE-GATE is what it's referred to. Sarah says TAWD and his beer-drinking buddies built their massive house on weekends. :eyes:
Funny how the materials look EXACTLY like the Wasilla sports arena....right down to the size, shape and style of the fucking windows. hmmmmmm.
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bongbong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:00 PM
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104. Wow!
I thought I was pretty well-informed about the huge, long list of crime & lies that Grifter Grizzly has done, but I was unaware of "house-gate". So she stole materials paid for by the taxpayer for her house?

The more I find out about repigs, the more I realize that Hitler probably succeeded in his plan to implant a Fifth Column in America - they're repigs now.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:36 PM
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114. I've commented on those windows for a while
The Palins have commercial windows in their home. There are two basic reasons why people don't do this: they're super expensive and they don't look right in a house. But Saint Sarah has them? Not unless they were free, and it would have been simple to make them that way: order 50 windows (or whatever it was), install 30 of them in the hockey rink and have the rest fall off a truck in front of her home construction site.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:01 AM
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221. K/R -- amazing!!
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:03 AM
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246. Hopefully she will be tried and convicted.
That's one perp walk I would watch with pleasure!
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:27 AM
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12. I think Trig may be a robot.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:46 AM
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35. from the future
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:00 PM
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79. !
:rofl:
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #12
44. I think Trig is a theater prop
and could be hanging in some Hollywood back lot prop room.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:30 AM
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13. the woman saying, leaking 4 a.m., went thru day, on airplane for hours away from doctor
and mosey into hospital after 12 alaska time is such bullshit, pissed me off with this woment from that moment on.

ultimate liar

it is why her mama bear makes me so mad. every parental decision she has made points to bad parenting.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:37 AM
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55. Not to mention - given that the pregnanacy was only 7 months along,
wouldn't the normal procedure be to closely monitor her for infection while doing everything possible to delay labor? Yet supposedly labor was induced, and a healthy 6 pound child was born.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:38 PM
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72. she was over 36 (risk), down syndrome (risk), early (risk), and leaking water (risk)
all those things would have been an immediate requirement to go to NEAREST hospital.
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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:58 PM
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77. An e-mail turned up......
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 02:00 PM by PearliePoo2
written by a man who encountered the Palins in a lounge at Sea-Tac airport in Seattle during a lay-over on their flight back to Alaska. He stopped to converse with Todd.
He expressed his surprise and apologies in an e-mail for intruding on them while Sarah was in labor.
He said he had NO idea she was in labor, since he observed her sitting quietly, reading a book the entire time.
Ms. MooseKiller, you are one sick, twisted, lying fraud and you COULD have become President.
THAT'S why this whole mess matters.


edit spelling
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:01 PM
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80. one sick, twisted, lying fraud and you COULD have become President.
THAT'S why this whole mess matters.

exactly.

and i did hear about this. i remember when the woman was declared as vp by mccain. no one heard of her or knew anything about her. within THREE hours, we had this shit on her. we knew it was bullshit. i did not hear ONE woman every stick up for her that her version of preg was even a possibility. NO doctor and NO mother that i know would leave that high risk preg to chance, .... on an airplane, with no medical care.
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Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:42 PM
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91. And Tawd didn't have a word to say about it, apparently.
Y'know, my husband's a good, quiet, easygoing guy and he doesn't much try to tell me what I can and can't do. But if I thought I was going to do something as stupid as get on a airplane after my water broke, he'd put a stop to it somehow. I can imagine him at the airport shouting to all the airline personnel "This woman is in labor! She needs to go to a hospital now!" to get them to refuse to let me on the plane. WTF was Tawd doing while his wife was risking her life and and that of their child? Oh, right, going along with it like nothing was wrong.

That, more than anything, makes me believe the story isn't true. What man would behave like that?
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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:07 PM
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94. The spokesman for Alaska Airlines when questioned about this....
and asked what their policy is for pregnant women flying, said in a statement that Palin's pregnant condition was not noticed.
And THIS from airline personnel who's JOB is to observe all passengers.
Ever notice how the stewards/stewardesses walk the aisle looking at your seat belt before take-off?
They have belt extenders for people that require one and that includes PREGNANT WOMEN.

(unless of course, your fake, belly PROP was packed away in your suitcase so you wouldn't get questioned or prohibited from flying while in LABOR!)
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:15 PM
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107. yup. nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #91
106. first preg a month early, sittin on baseball bleachers... eating. lol. water broke
hubby ran for the car, didnt put in park, lol lol.... three fields cheering and doctor saying, come straight into hospital.

2nd preg, leaking. right in.

i stopped on the first preg to wash off and change clothes. took ten minutes. doctor chewed me out.

it is absurd to think a woman would put herself and baby at risk, beyond what a husband would allow. i would be so scared to do it alone, in an airplane, with no help, with four risks....

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road2000 Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 06:55 PM
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149. I had almost the same scenario, seabeyond...
at age 34, first pregnancy, water broke at 7-1/2 months. My husband rushed me to the doctor, where they took x-rays and found the baby was breach. They sent us to a hospital in the nearest city, which was equipped with an ICN2 facility. Doctors and nurses were in constant attendance; at no time would it have been thinkable to take a long plane ride! I quickly had a C-section because the baby's heart rate was sinking with each contraction, even though I didn't feel the contractions. My son weighed a little under 4-1/2 pounds and was kept in ICN2 for a week until he reached 5 pounds, and they made ultra-sure he was healthy in all aspects (lungs, kidneys, etc.).

Six pounds is a large weight for a baby six weeks early, isn't it? Especially when the mother shows no signs of pregnancy.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:45 PM
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161. that is the thing with this story. every mom that had these experiences knows it isnt true
either she just flat out lied about it all, or .....

she just flat out lied about it all

my baby was she of a month early and he was 6.9. but they had stress tester hooked onto babies head, lol, to keep him monitor. worst experience out of the whole thing.

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catrose Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:05 PM
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202. Water broke at 11 pm
In the hospital half hour later. Baby monitored the whole time. Get on a plane? I was supposed to go Europe 6 weeks before the baby was due, and nobody wanted me to get on the plane. All that time in the air, no doctor or any other kind of help? Come on, family values Sarah.

If Trig really is hers, I vote for "She wanted him to die."
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Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 02:36 AM
Response to Reply #106
232. 12 hours after my water broke, I was looking at my kid.
This was with my first child, who was a week late, and weighed 8 lbs and 1 oz. And as you said, straight to the hospital. Good lord, we all knew to do that! The only people who don't, it seems, are Sarah, Tawd, and of course all the RWers who blow off this story like it's not the least bit important or relevant (or worse, believe it and admire her for it).

I can't even imagine taking the chance of giving birth on a plane, even with NO known risk factors.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:11 AM
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256. LOL, 12 hours after my water broke, I was just setting out for the hospital.
I sprang a small leak but didn't get strong, consistent contractions. The baby wasn't due for another month and just as I was dropping off to sleep I thought, "better pack that bag this week, and you can't let yourself get this tired again." An hour later, my water broke. My husband and I ran around like chickens for ten minutes, but by the time the doctor called back, I said, "the fluid's clear, there's not that much of it, and I'm not having strong contractions. Can we all just go back to bed?" And we did.

That said, we were less than 15 minutes from the hospital, not in a friggin' plane. I wouldn't have flown from Alaska to Texas that late in my pregnancy, period. I had an opportunity to go to Hawaii in my sixth month and I said, "for a 30-minute presentation? Here's the slides. You can give the talk."
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #91
109. Tawd (R) = Mephistopheles (R)
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:07 AM
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225. Tawd isn't a republican. He likes the Alaska Independence Party, a separatist group.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #55
196. Yeah and not to mention the obvious
Delivering a pre-term baby on an airplane.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #55
223. Good detective work there!! Yes, NO ONE INDUCES a premie -- !!!
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #13
153. that's the part that makes no freakin' sense
especially since at her age she would be a high risk pregnancy
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #153
163. people say doesnt matter. no ones business. but, she either lied about labor story
or lied about having a baby. either or....
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:47 AM
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15. It`s the way she almost always held that little guy outward and not inward that bothered me.
Always showing the Down syndrone problem, but never cuddling him. It just didn`t seem right. Seems like most mom`s would want to cuddle, comfort and shield thier newborn. I know I did.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:40 PM
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89. Dragging the poor baby around like a prop, keeping him up half the night at the convention.
Cindy McCain showed more maternal consideration to that little baby than his supposed mother showed. I couldn't believe it when Palin dragged him out on the stage at the convention at 10 pm.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:48 PM
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164. That drove me nuts
A special needs baby requires special care. She used that child, and as a professor who has taught classes on children with exceptionalites, I was aghast at her blatant disregard for his welfare. It's amazing she was not cited for child abuse.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:09 PM
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183. She's a psychopath. Narcissistic personality disorder. It's all about her.
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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #183
200. Munschausen's by Proxy, maybe?
Getting attention by her kid(s).
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catrose Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:07 PM
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203. I keep wondering who's taking care of him
There's lots of stimulation exercises you can do with Down Syndrome children. They don't include being dragged around like a sack of potatoes. It looks like everyone's too busy to work with the little guy, though.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #203
224. We presume that the father is the same as the daughter's acknowledged child?
That may be something he holds over them --

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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:47 AM
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16. If the Press can't get this right....
No wonder we're in the shape we are in this country.
Ridiculously long expensive wars, The Tea Party, Bank fraud not only tolerated but rewarded, continued deterioration of the middle class - even as many in the Middle Class support the Republicans, blatant transfer of wealth to the upper 1% - as the uninformed scream "Socialism!!".
All of this and so much more and we (the country) can't figure out yet that Sarah Palin is a fraud. Go figure.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:57 AM
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17. For some this seems to be our version of the "birther" conspiracy theorists.
"Birthers" wasting their time on Obama's citizenship are not only useless, but their efforts are probably counterproductive when it comes to other conservatives trying to convince independents that Obama is wrong on policy grounds. "Birthers" tinge their whole movement with the scent of stupidity. It appeals to many of their already-committed supporters, but does nothing to attract others.

Similarly we have so much stuff to use on Palin in terms of her experience, knowledge and political beliefs that to spend any time on the issue of Trig's maternity seems at best useless and at worst counterproductive.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:09 AM
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29. Myth-spinners like her are ONLY vulnerable in a few areas. Motherhood is her weak spot
because it's what her rabid followers first loved about her.. It's her "hook"..

many of us KNOW she's a fake/fraud/grifter, but her fans love her & pay her lots of moolah because they overlook the stupidity.

The faked pregnancy was the ONLY way to shut her down , and it was possible at the beginning. The more time that elapsed, the more likely that she would get away with it..

Someday Bristol will write a "Mommy Dearest" & the facts will tumble out.

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:03 PM
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169. Yep, it's not pointless at all, but one of the few places we can peel any
of her rabid followers away. Though she has so few now, it doesn't really matter.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:00 PM
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180. I don't think anything would peel away any of her rabid followers. If the
delivery story is true, they'll use it to 'prove' how strong she is, if it's false, they'll be sympathetic that she was trying to protect her poor, misguided daughter. What a selfless, loving mother!

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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #169
197. It is very pointless unless you are a Republican
who is probably relishing the idiocy!
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:14 PM
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98. I think on our side people are just having fun
Nobody really cares either way... But I'm not going to eliminate the possibility that they're lying!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:10 PM
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121. You don't think it matters if she used her daughter's baby as a political prop?
Bad enough if she used her own.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:57 AM
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18. Show us the birth certificate.
What is Palin trying to hide? Why wont she produce the birth certificate?

She must be hiding something she doesn't want the public to know.

:rofl:

So, Bristol got knocked up twice. The 1st time Palin covered for her. The 2nd time there was no cover except for Levi pretending he was going to marry the promiscuous child.

And Palin represents some kind of family values?

SHOW US THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE PALIN! (sorry for screaming, I got carried away)
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:40 AM
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26. still think tawwwd is the sperm donor in both cases.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:26 AM
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31. Ew. nt
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:46 AM
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34. LOL nt
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #26
111. My thought, too.
Age of the father is just as big a factor for Downs as age of the mother.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #18
57. I don't see how Trig could be Bristol's child seeing as she gave birth at the end of the following
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 11:43 AM by hedgehog
December.

On edit - Assuming of course, that Trig was actually born in April.
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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:36 PM
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71. That's the reasoning they are counting on...therefore Bristol's public "outing" during the campaign.
so people would do the MATH.
BUT....the baby Palin's parents presented in the hospital hallway, as her newborn, was plump and robust, NOT a one day old, fragile, special-needs, 2 months early PREEMIE with a hole in his heart.
The baby in that picture was NOT born on April 18th, but much, MUCH earlier.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #57
90. Nine months or less is all it takes, especially with young mothers.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:10 AM
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20. So this is what 7 months pregnant looks like
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:40 PM
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128. and here's what it looked like in the 80s
a wild and crazy time

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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #128
176. Ba -Boom!
Oh, and all those long hanging WalMart scarves to detract the eye??
Hasn't been seen with one since....
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #20
215. Is the answer orange?
Pregnancy makes a woman orange!
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:12 AM
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21. Andrew Sullivan has been sniffing around this
for what seems like a lifetime. I wish he'd get off the fence and either drop it or tell what he knows. FWIW, Professor Scharlott's conclusions have more than a slight ring of truthiness.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:28 AM
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24. flying in a airplane while going into a difficult labor....
that`s the first big red flag i saw when this story happened.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:37 AM
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25. This is what people are spending their time on?
Who cares?

I don't know about anyone else but I could survive without any more stories focusing on Sarah Palin.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:04 AM
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28. Honestly, who cares?
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:46 PM
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117. +1
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #28
146. As long as she is a Tea Party winger icon, I care.
When she disappears to a well deserved obscurity, then I won't give a crap.

She is not a clown, and neither are the fanatics who worship her.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #28
152. and we have a winner
the first post that has shown any intelligence in this whole thread!!!!!!

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 05:57 AM
Response to Reply #152
235. Nonsense. If this woman is a liar the nation deserves to know it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #28
226. It's about the press -- and this really isn't the biggest scam ever pulled ....
Bush's microphone was!!

No real investigation there either --

To reveal the obvious truths of BOTH of these stories requries a power shift!!

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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:50 AM
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245. Got to agree. Doesn't mean anything to me either way.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:54 PM
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266. so don't click on the thread, then
If it doesn't mean anything to you, what are you even doing here?


Cher
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 04:53 PM
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269. To remind people it doesn't mean anything to them either.
Won't change a thing in my life or anyone elses. It isn't like anyone on DU thinks Palin is an honest respectable person, and this study is going to somehow sway us against her.

People got to wake up to the real issues out there. Not Palin. We waste all our energy on this type of garbage we will get nothing done.
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Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:13 AM
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30. I am curious, but....
Isn't this really their business? I loathe the Palins with a hot hot hate, but I really don't care if Bristol AND Sarah pulled trains on the fishing fleet in Anchorage harbor. It's none of my (or your) business. I REJECT the christian morality that seemingly gives society the right to intrude and pass judgement.

I don't care how "immoral" that naughty Bristol is.

I don't care if Todd and Bristol spawned the little guy.

I don't care if Sarah and Bristol's fiance were mom and dad.

I don't really care if it was Todd, Bristol's fiance, and the Wassila HS chess club getting it on with Willow.

Whatever.

But I am curious. And yes, that makes me a hypocrite. I am okay with that too. :)

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:31 AM
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32. It matters because half wit failin quitter ran with Family Values
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 10:32 AM by Javaman
as one of her base issues. And on top of that, her bizarre push for abstinence only education.

It would have shown that she 1) didn't practice what she preached and 2)she was a complete and utter bullshit artist.

That's why this did matter.

but because none of this was investigated, we now are treated with her semi-daily utterances of colossally stupid claptrap. Which, in turn, help spur on the ball licking tea partying halfwits.

She hasn't been in the press a lot lately and I'm grateful for that.
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:36 PM
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115. YES IT MATTERS
When you have someone on the "conservative", "family values" ticket lying about reproductive issues, it matters a lot.

This is a person who was running for the second highest office in the land. Someone who would have a lot of influence over reproductive legislation.

If they can't be honest about teenage pregnancy in their own family, it's extremely telling.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:02 PM
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151. it matters that she's a liar
cause no matter which theory you follow - she's lying somewhere about some of it.

It's either Bristol's - and she lied.

Or she lied about the whole labor thing - though why?

Or she desperately wanted something to keep that child from surviving.

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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:20 PM
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175. Health insurance for a Down's baby
.... is very costly. Putting the Baby on Palin's own insurance probably saved them a bit of $$. (just a motive that I haven't seen discussed). And in that light, then we are talking committing fraud on government health insurance.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:45 PM
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178. And they didnt want a grandbaby on public health insurance: Medicaid. nt
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:21 PM
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194. Aug 29, 2008 ..we did discuss it
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 10:21 PM by SoCalDem
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-29-08 01:57 PM
Original message

Why the Palin "baby" story matters.. It's INSURANCE FRAUD

for starters..

A 16 yr old child will eventually become too old to be covered on the parents insurance, and I'm betting that Mrs Guv has some pretty nifty insurance, as does Mr BP-OIL, so if the baby is "Theirs", that handicapped child will have all the care he will need, BUT

if he's the child of their unwed daughter, no doubt they would end up raising the child anyway, if she plans to go to college..She would probably have insurance coverage for herself while she's in school, but who's gonna pay for that child's coverage, or take care of him,while she's a carefree college student?..and how will she "land a husband" with a handicapped baby?

if she kept the baby, and managed to finish college, that child's disability would surely present a "pre-existing" condition to just about any HR person she would interview with..

I can understand why the parents would want to "help her out", and this sort of thing happens all the time, but for her parents to phony-up the whole thing and claim the child as theirs is ..well..deceptive and insurance fraud..
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:10 AM
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227. hmmmm....... wouldn't insurance company want to see birth certificate?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:37 AM
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33. Wait -- Trig was born 4/08; Tripp was born 12/08, right?
I don't think it's possible that Bristol had both unless they lied about Trig's birth date.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:47 AM
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36. The people that are really into this
Do think they lied about Trig's birthday.
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reformist2 Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:44 AM
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59. Take a look at "pregnant" Bristol at the convention.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:51 AM
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40. Irish twins?
With one born a little early? }(
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:35 AM
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54. I have Irish Twins..12 months & 10 days apart
:)
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:06 PM
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82. I can't imagine
It's one thing to have them both at the same time, but to have one, see how exhausting it is, and then go through 10 months of carrying another one while caring for a newborn? I think I'd lose my mind!
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:58 PM
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118. My sister was born 10 months after me
this if a fun thread to read but ehhh not like it matters...I mean I could not dislike the woman anymore than I already do, I tend to think the baby is hers. Downs baby is more likely to have an older mom and how many people would have to keep this quite? folks are just not that good at that sort of thing.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:09 PM
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182. Happened to a woman I worked with who thought she couldn't get pregnant
practically immediately after giving birth to her first son. I think that happens a lot.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:22 PM
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195. I thought our Steven was "the flu"
:rofl:
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:50 PM
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92. Dh's mother and uncle were Irish twins...
10 and a half months apart.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:09 PM
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95. I do too! 6 days less than a year apart.
:)
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jeff47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:05 AM
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45. It's covered in the story. It says they may have lied about Trig's birth date (nt)
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:24 AM
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51. The prof must have read what I wrote back then
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 11:34 AM by SoCalDem
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:17 AM
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49. WHAT??!? Palin LIE??!??
Probably.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:38 AM
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56. Trig was probably born in Late Feb & probably weighed 5 & change
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 11:38 AM by SoCalDem
that gave Sarah a timeline to work with..to plan the faked date & pretend to be pregnant..

when his weight was "okay", she "birthed" him.. with the aid & abetting of her gal-pal doc in that podunk hospital..away from prying eyes..
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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:48 PM
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75. SoCalDem......
You are right on the money about everything...GOOD SLEUTHING!
:applause:
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:49 AM
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37. If so, Bristol needs to return the 260k she accepted
under fraudulent pretenses. One time mistake my ass! On a side note, if true, I think they would have had to keep it from Levi too. There's no way he would keep this secret!
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:51 AM
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39. After finding out about the plane ride, etc.
and seeing the pictures, there was no way I believed that was her child anymore. I don't know if it was Bristol's or some child she came up with to generate sympathy, but her story has more holes than a doughnut factory.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:52 AM
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41. Maybe Todd's love child? nt
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:20 AM
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50. Think Track. He went into the service and his girlfriend was a "babysitter" for Trig
on the campaign trail. I read about this in some article at the time, and she never took photo shoots with the family.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:57 PM
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103. hmmm - now THERE'S an idea ....
:thumbsup: I don't for a minute think that Sarah Palin was pregnant when she was on that plane, or is Trig's birth mother in any way, shape or form. Nor would I put it past her to 'buy' a special needs child just to make herself look 'motherly' and more in line with the Republican 'family values' crowd.
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rbixby Donating Member (716 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:45 AM
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252. Great thought!
I could see a campaign making it through one out of wedlock pregnancy, but two? Then its not an accident, its horribly bad parenting!
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:11 AM
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47. That plane ride never made sense
Okay, let's say it's true and her water had already broken. So, would a governor (or really any woman) risk being splayed in an air plane aisle spread eagled giving birth? I mean, her career would have been ruined on the spot for taking such a risk and then the humiliation of having tons of strangers watch you give birth. So what's more likely, she wasn't in labor or that she'd prefer to risk such an incident to "give birth in Alaska"?

And if she was truly in labor, WTF is wrong with her??? That doesn't make sense at all. What kind of mom takes risks like that???
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:06 PM
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172. WTF is wrong with her???
Great question. But you know we will never figure that one out. Suffice to say she is totally nuts.

:hi:
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:55 AM
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42. Academic my arse
It's just a long conspiracy theory. Which didn't manage to give a coherent reason how Bristol gave birth in late December, only 8 months later. It just had to say "they lied about the existence of Tripp".
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:26 AM
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52. MSM expose the liar..
so we can make sure that she wont ever be heard again especially for 2012 or 2016

I won't be holding my breath
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:01 AM
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43. wierdness surrounds that trash
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:43 AM
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212. Weirdness, too... n/t
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:06 AM
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46. What a waste of time and money.
That idiot pointy-headed PhD should have his tenure revoked and given an internship at the National Enquirer.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:16 AM
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48. Yeah? What's your academic pedigree?
I would think it very lofty since you feel so strongly about this and you appear to be speaking from superior knowledge.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:10 PM
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63. Well, judging by this thread, a lot of people are interested.

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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:35 PM
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86. I imagine the only thing that's more a waste of time
I imagine the only thing that's more useless, ineffectual and a waste of time and money than the paper itself would be commenting on how badly it's a waste of time... :shrug:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:20 PM
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108. Not at all. It's not really about the kid or who the mother is; it's about deception
and why our entire mainstream media participates in it. The implications go way beyond this one small story.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:32 PM
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198. and the fact that he's a handicapped child made it all "possible" for her
He will only know that he's loved, who he loves, and probably will never accidentally discover something "odd" about his birth.. It might have also played a big part in why Bristol would let him go... I DO think that she may have had regrets, or maybe was bullied into releasing him & maybe that's why she was pregnant again so soon..
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:28 AM
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53. The Wild Ride story is SO far out that youd really need to be pretty gullible to fall for
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:41 AM
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58. The paper doesn't mention Bristol's curious bout with mono -
that meant she had to drop out of school and go live with an aunt for a while, IIRC.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:25 PM
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69. Drop out of school, I can believe. Live with an aunt? Yeah, 'cause no one's
ever heard that story before. :eyes:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:53 AM
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60. this is the real ''birther'' issue--though for the life of me I can't figure out why it matters
to anyone outside her family.

And I think she is a nitwit and charlatan.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:55 AM
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61. The real question is whether she used her power as governor to
intimidate people and otherwise perpetuate a fraud.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:26 AM
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229. It's about power -- power to cover up -- and lack of investigation by PRESS....
HOWEVER ... it's a much smaller story than 2000 or the

"microphone" up the back of Bush in the debates!!

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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:22 PM
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67. It doesn't really matter....
except that it demonstrates what a pathological liar she is. And to what extent she'd go with her lies.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 12:25 PM
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68. This is EXACTLY like the story of Esther in the bible, right?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:39 PM
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73. fucking ridiculous. because someone writes a supposedly academic
paper, Palin is the child's grandmother. Unless the prof has DNA proof, it's just more stupid.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:42 PM
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74. This is sad.

They really put the dysfunction into their lives.
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AC_Mem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:53 PM
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76. Since she isn't doing anything besides spouting word garbage
right now, I don't think anyone really cares. HOWEVER, if she had, or if she does, plan to run for President (which she won't), then I think a full investigation should be done, absolutely.

DNA isn't hard to get if someone really wants to find out information like this (hello National Enquirer). And of course, she should show the country the birth certificate, because "we have the right to know". If the birth certificate and the dna match Sarah being mother and Todd being father I would be extremely surprised.

There is a huge cover up that has been going on in Alaska since 2007. McCain choosing Palin was a purely emotional and idiotic decision - I think he thought she would be his Hillary. Bzzzt. Wrong. Thank GOD he didn't become the President - can you imagine where we would be right now under his presidency? :: shudder ::

If anyone wants a really good read - get Game Change. Boy does it show Sarah in a blinding light.

I think she is mentally ill.

Annette
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 01:59 PM
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78. True or not....
I can't imagine why it's so all-fired interesting.

yeah, so Palin ran on "family values" bullshit. Big deal.

If she is the grandmother, it wouldn't be the first (or last) time a "family values" freak turned out to be a hypocrite.

I mean, isn't there enough evidence already that she's vulgar?


And really, if anyone thinks this story, if proven true, will turn her followers against her, I have to ask what rock that person has been hiding under. Groupies always have some excuse for their idols...

:eyes:

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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:09 PM
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83. How ironic: "Release the birth certificate!"
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 02:11 PM by JHB
Notice how it took a business magazine to have a
"serious news outlet" write about this?
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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:37 PM
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88. good grief don't say that
It will drive the talk for Obama to release his.
Bored with all that.
BORED
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 03:59 AM
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233. So? Obama already has released his birth certificate n/t
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:32 PM
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126. Good grief DO say it. Release Trig's birth certificate! nt
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Urban Prairie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 02:55 PM
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93. Either Trig Tripp-Palin or Trig Todd/Track+Bristol-Palin or Trig Palin-Johnston or
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 03:12 PM by Urban Prairie
Trig Palin-Someone, or Trig Someone-Palin...but Trig is def. NOT the baby of Sarah AND Todd Palin. Sarah is either the grandmother or step-grandmother or step-aunt-mother of Trig.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:27 AM
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230. Does anyone have a clue what these names mean? Do they relate to anything?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:10 PM
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:13 PM
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97. Can this hoax story get as much coverage as Trump's many hoaxes?
what do you think?
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:27 PM
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100. K & R
:thumbsup:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:34 PM
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101. We guessed that some time ago. nt
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d_r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 03:49 PM
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102. thank God for tenure
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:14 PM
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105. Well, well, well. Looks like they really don't want her to win the primary! n/t
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:21 PM
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110. Sigh
I just want Sarah and all news of her to go away. She's such an embarrassment.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:33 PM
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112. Trigonometry?
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 04:37 PM
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116. After doing a bit of research on ...

Associate

Professor Scharlott I have opted to unrecommend this Birther post.

Prof. Scharlott would like to stress that this paper is not the final version - it's a preliminary version, a work in progress, and there will probably be additions in the future
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:02 PM
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119. The Aristocrats !
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:46 PM
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131. As titillating as this topic may be...
I thought we were above this?

:shrug:
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:49 PM
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135. Who Gives a Damn, Anyway?
Palin's insurance company, maybe. Let them rat her out.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 05:57 PM
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138. Bristol Palin gave birth to her sonTripp around December 27, 2008.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20245389,00.htm...

The portion of the article that I find rather questionable is the idea that Bristol had a baby in April 2008 and then another the following December.

The author presents no evidence that Trig, the child that Sarah Palin claims as her baby was born earlier than April 2008. At least I did not notice that evidence. He simply theorizes that Trig could have been born at an earlier time but doesn't present any evidence to that effect.

If say, Trigg had been born sometime in February 2008, then there would not be enough time for her to become pregnant again before Tripp's birth.

It is kind of odd that the two rather unusual names are so similar.

I don't totally reject Scharlott's theory, but I think that it raises many question and therefore is just a theory. I do think that in this case, Palin should be able to produce a birth certificate although, of course, a birth certificate could be forged. Doesn't Alaska have a registry of births? Doesn't a parent normally inform the state government when a new baby is born?
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RationalistMom Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:44 PM
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177. There's no evidence of that.
There is no evidence that Bristol Palin gave birth on December 27, 2008. People.com ran a story citing an email from Palin's aunt in Idaho who said the baby had been born. Anchorage Daily News cited People. And every news outlet - from the LA Times to AP to the BBC - cited People or ADN.

Neither Tripp nor any pictures of Tripp appeared until February in an interview with Greta Van Susteren.

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 11:01 AM
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259. How old did Tripp look in the pictures in the February interview?
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 06:17 PM
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140. Oh bullshit.
This makes as much sense as the birthers claims.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 06:21 PM
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141. Congratulations. You just gave the media machine the perfect "both sides do it" equivalency
to trot out while Donald Trump campaigns for president.

sw
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:10 AM
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237. I think some are missing the point here....
Sarah did not need to jump in with Trump...but the minute she did, all bets are off, hence the Baby shit.

Love it
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 06:21 PM
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142. Shiny thing...oooh, shiny!
:eyes:

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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 06:24 PM
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143. I can't and won't have an opinion on this. The only strange detail that doesn't make any sense
Is the flight back to Alaska from Austin, TX after her water broke. (an admission she made herself)

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Search4Justice Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 06:27 PM
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144. Frankly my dear..
... I don't give a damn.

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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 06:48 PM
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148. That's what I've been saying all along. You don't get on a plane after your water breaks.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:16 PM
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154. But, really, who cares? It would be an unfortunate story, if true, but it is just a big and
pointless distraction from more important issues

We cannot know whether it this story is true: whether or not it is true, it is merely ugly to dwell on it; promoting it serves no useful purpose

As far as I can see, Sarah Palin has no political future; she may wander about, seeking attention, but I can't see any reason to give her such attention, positive or negative
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mn9driver Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:18 PM
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155. The pictures tell the story.
She wasn't pregnant. Even women who show very little during pregnancy (and Palin showed a LOT in her previous ones) have a rounded lower abdomen in the last trimester. Hers is absolutely flat in the photos where she was supposedly 7 months along.

I hope she runs again just so this story can come out. The MSM won't touch it otherwise.
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cameozalaznick Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:08 PM
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181. Here's the picture that I think tells the story
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 09:13 PM by cameozalaznick
Forget it, I don't know how to post pictures.
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jc20 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:36 PM
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156. LOTS of research already done. Check out...
the best current site -- politicalgates.blogspot.com

the first -- palindeception.blogspot.com

the continuation -- palingates.blogspot.com

the funniest in fall of 2008 -- cajunboyinthecity.blogspot.com (search for palin posts)


It's like the weirdest novel that's never been written. From day one, I suspected Sarah Palin did not give birth to Trig, and I'm relatively sane. But even so, the only person I've ever discussed this with (out loud) is my husband.

Dismiss it as unimportant -- maybe it's easier to now, now that Palin's shot herself in the foot one too many times. But I'd like to know what in her background convinces anyone that she WOULDN'T be capable of hiding her daughter's pregnancy to avoid loss of her "family values" image, and adopting said baby -- with the pure political gain as just a lucky coincidence, of course.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:40 PM
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157. Mark for later read
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:41 PM
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159. I don't care who is Trig's mother. I want Palin to vanish into the hole where
she deserves to be.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:44 AM
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241. This will hasten her demise.
The woman is essentially made of dishonesty, lies, and narcissism. The sooner she is crumpled up and thrown away, the better.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:41 PM
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160. Media too worried about seeing the Presidents Birth Certificate
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:45 PM
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162. Alternate theory - Sarah was hoping that it would not survive
The trip from Texas is a huge clue - I can't imagine what else she could have been thinking except trying to minimize the chances of survival. The secrecy and non release of medical records to prevent disclosure of a complete lack of prenatal care.

Abortion was not an option, but if "God" took care of the problem, that's OK.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:48 PM
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165. i dont buy that simply because her own health was at risk while in plane with no medical
supervision. regardless, we know she thinks an awful lot about herself and wouldnt put self at that risk.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:54 PM
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179. That's what I thought all along. nt
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 07:53 PM
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166. The child has down syndrome, which would be consistent
Edited on Thu Apr-14-11 07:55 PM by LisaL
with having an older woman for a mother. I do find the story of her flying after she supposedly started leaking amniotic fluid peculiar, to say the least, but I don't believe Bristol gave birth to Trig. For one, the dates don't fit, and for a young woman it would be much less likely to have a child with down syndrome.

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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:12 PM
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173. Actually, 80% of babies with DS are born to younger woman
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:18 PM
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174. It's because younger women have more babies.
However the risk goes up the older the mother gets. Palin was in her forties and therefore her risk of having a child with Down syndrome is much higher than it would be for a younger woman.

"Advancing maternal age. A woman's chances of giving birth to a child with Down syndrome increase with age because older eggs have a greater risk of improper chromosome division. By age 35, a woman's risk of conceiving a child with Down syndrome is 1 in 400. By age 45, the risk is 1 in 35. However, most children with Down syndrome are actually born to women under age 35 because younger women have far more babies."

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/down-syndrome/DS00182/...
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 08:06 PM
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171. Who cares? Just GET THAT BABY OUTTA THERE!
Before it's too late and the poor thing becomes another Bristol!

A nice gay couple might be able to teach the child to not become a Palin.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:11 PM
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184. this is just... disgusting. 189 net recs, really? sad.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:26 PM
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185. I've guiltily enjoyed this thread although I agree that ultimately
it doesn't really matter he's really a grandson -- it's just fun to trash her. :7

I think the Track theory is something that could be valid, too.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:30 PM
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186. Doesn't the professor have a better use for his time?
I mean - this validation is not going to change a single mind. Her fans will always love her, even if she eats puppy testicles - and everyone else will hate her.

This has tabloid value at best...
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:32 PM
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187. The difference between this birther crap and the Obama birther crap...
is that the Obama is born of pure racism. It's more insidious.

This is just plain idiotic and makes people look foolish, IMO.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:38 PM
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188. This is great ..... lol ...... link for a refresher course ......
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 09:39 PM
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189. People have authored "academic" papers about how evolution or climate change is nonsense, too.
I'm not buying this.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:18 PM
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192. Link to another website with photos
which compare real pregnant mums of 32-33 weeks with Sarah Palin at supposedly the same time along.

http://www.palindeception.com/blog/2008/12/nail-in-coff...


The big thing for me is getting on a plane when water's are leaking, or even if they weren't, she admitted she'd had some pains. You just would NEVER, EVER, do that if you're in any way a responsible person.

And as for the fake tummy - about as real as Nicole Kidman's first. It just never quite works in real life the same way it does in a movie studio, where you have an assistant to keep checking that it's all in place.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:36 PM
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207. And here another website with tons of photos
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:35 AM
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211. Extraordinarily tight muscles for a fifth-time birther!
And one might ask what kind of doctor would tell her patient to get on a plane with leaking amniotic fluid and
the beginnings of contractions? I wouldn't recommend her to anyone.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 10:33 PM
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199. I'll wait until its publlished in a peer reviewed venue before calling it an academic paper.


It sounds like the same old stuff from the primary/presidential race.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:32 PM
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205. Real DUers aren't into Palin birther threads
:boring:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-11 11:37 PM
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208. well hoot-hoot to you too
been here since 2001..feels real to me

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:01 AM
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220. Bullshit.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:31 AM
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240. Who died and made you king?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:17 AM
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210. More proof that there are conspiracy nuts on both sides.
This professor appears to have too much time on his hands. We should stick to the woman's politics, which are bad enough, without going bat sh*t crazy and question whether Trig is her child.

:crazy:
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:02 AM
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222. Except this isn't getting any exposure by MSM..not like the RW side which is given max news coverage
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 12:49 AM
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214. Was Trig really born in Kenya?
Inquiring minds need to know.

Where is his long form birth certificate?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 01:44 AM
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231. The really "MASSIVE" fraud was W's earpiece/mike in 2000 debate -- and 2000--!!
And lies of 9/11 --

MASSIVE -- !!!

I'm glad to see the Palin story as an example of inaction of press --

but even for this story to be resurrected makes clear that it is weaker -- the LESS

massive of other hoaxes pulled on the American public -- and not pursued by the press!!


How much more obvious could W's "wire" running down the back of his jacket have been?

How much more obvious could the 2000 steal have been?


And how about computer voting -- stolen elections?

Yes -- many more MASSIVE HOAXES -- and we do need a power shift to enable truth!!

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ExPatLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 04:49 AM
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234. SO WHAT?
Yeah yeah, if this is true we could prove she lied. Proving that Sarah Palin lied is like proving that the sky looks blue. BFD.

ALL that this does is make us look as nutty as the birthers and gives them the "both sides do it" excuse and allows her to continue her martyr routine. This hurts the Democrats. Please stop.
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nicky187 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:02 AM
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236. I hope that...
Dr. Scharlott is tenured. Here comes the outraged backlash.

#sarcasm We all "know" that Trig was probably conceived through immaculate conception. #sarcasm
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:29 AM
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239. I just read his paper --
to me the larger point here...

is that while the Palins have not released any birth certificates to quash the rumors, the media gives her a pass. AND there are real questions
about the events and circumstances surrounding the birth of Trig -- that don't have any good answers. And Palin has refused to answer them.

And yet the President of the United States who decided to make his birth certificate public is continually hounded and disparaged.

He raises some interesting points over all.

The problem is is that there is no definitive proof that she is the mother, but also none that she isn't.
I think part of the problem is that Palin is so used to lying, they probably lied about this too -- even when they didn't need to.


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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:41 AM
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250. Does the author really expect that our media would investigate this?
or anything? The MSM doesn't do investigative journalism on this or any issue. They put Trump on and let him spout racist crap -- expecting investigative journalism on cable news is like expecting Hooters to serve 5-star food.
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 04:42 PM
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263. no, i don't think he does
he states in the paper that he felt he needed to do the journalism on it, because he hadn't read any on the story much.
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geek_sabre Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:45 AM
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242. A woman's uterus is her own damn business. Regardless of her political leanings
There is nothing academic about that paper.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:46 AM
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243. We have people that have been studying it....
...and they cannot believe what theyre finding.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:21 AM
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247. I'll wait for the movie to come out. And I won't watch that either.
Irrelevant.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:31 AM
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248. One more link ......
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:17 AM
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251. Everything about Mama Griz's baybeh story smells like an Ohio landfill in the hot summer.
If she DID deceive the American people on this, what the hell ELSE is she getting away with up there?

Debate closers are simply going to have to deal with the fact that as long as the idiot media are still throwing her discredited ass out there as a potential presidential candidate and paying attention to her (for whatever reason), questions like this are going to follow her no matter how implausible they seem. You gotta admit she's not exactly the most forthcoming person for all of the attention she demands.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:59 AM
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255. I don't think she's Trig's grandmother, I think she's the step mother
I think with the timing of Bristol's baby it was nearly impossible for her to be the mother of Trig.

But the rumors have been strong for years that Todd and Sarah have both been unfaithful in the marriage. What if Todd knocked up someone? As a governor, she had enough power to hid the facts from the public.

The other option was that it was Track's kid and he knocked up some girl (the oldest son).
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 02:06 PM
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267. I used to say this was a pointless story. But not anymore.
If the wing nuts want to play Birther Bingo I now say bring it on.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 02:27 PM
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268. So an ironic thing about the calls for Trig's birth certificate...
Even if it were released, I'll bet anything there would STILL be some here insisting that it had been falsified.

That Sarah and Todd paid to have it altered. And they also must have paid every doctor and nurse involved in Bristol's prenatal care and delivery. Or maybe they had all those people killed? Because, you know, people are notorious for telling secrets. Yeah, that's it. They had the doctors and nurses murdered and fed to the grizzlies.


Because, like, they knew when he was born that she would be running along with John McCain someday. And they also knew that people who would support her would be turned off by their teen daughter's unwed pregnancy, just like they were when she announced she was pregnant by whats-his-face and....uh...wait. No. Her supporters weren't turned off by that. In fact, they supported her even more because of the touching backstory...


It's all a huge plot

OK I get it now.

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