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liberal life Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:42 PM
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A recount is taking a small percentage of the votes and running them through the same faulty process


A recount is not a hand count.

We need hand recounts in the entire state.

Or perhaps, the state needs a re-vote, hand counted and posted at the precinct level before going through the central tabulator.

Wisconsin jump started this revolution, maybe they will be the ones to turn our faulty elections upside down so we can throw out diebold once and for all.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:48 PM
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1. Are you sure?
In Minnesota a small percentage of precincts are checked in the way you describe after every election whether a recount is needed or not. BUT in the Franken/Coleman and Dayton/Emmer recounts, all the ballots were hand counted.

Though I do understand that WI could have different rules.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:10 PM
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2. The candidate has to ask for a hand count.
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liberal life Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:40 PM
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3. court order to get a real hand count I just read
A simple recount of a small percentage of ballots (I wonder who chooses those) through the same acuvote diebold counting machines is not good enough.
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liberal life Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:49 PM
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4. more
Counting Method:

Mix of recount and retabulation
Counting method chosen by initiator

Recount initiators may petition the court for a recount to be conducted by hand, though the law specifies that the burden of proof is on the petitioner to demonstrate why a hand count should be enforced. Otherwise, the default counting method is the same as that used in the initial canvass: paper ballots are counted by hand; optical scan ballots are retabulated on an automatic tabulator; and for votes cast on direct-recording electronic machines (DREs), the voter-verified paper audit trail (VVPAT) is detached and counted by hand. See pages 7-13 of Wisconsin's Election Recount Procedures Manual for a full description of counting methods: http://elections.state.wi.us/docview.asp?docid=2127&loc... .
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:55 PM
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5. There is the wording we need: Retabulation is not a true recount
Recount ALL the votes by hand!
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