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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:41 PM
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I'm actually starting to wonder if Nickolaus and Walker are part of this conspiracy theory I heard.
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 09:53 PM by LoZoccolo
Someone excerpted a column on here a while ago theorizing that Walker was acting like someone who didn't care about getting re-elected, and that probably meant that whatever he was up to was more important to him than keeping his job. They went on to theorize that he was trying to act so outrageously in an effort to provoke a few people to violence, which could be used to discredit unions nationwide and further attack them. The theory proposed that this would be worthwhile enough for the Republicans to sacrifice a gubernatorial seat in order to accomplish.

I haven't decided yet if I really think that the found ballots are fake or not, but I do think it would be difficult to pull something like that off. We'll see over the next few days whether the idea of these ballots being lost and found is easily found to be logically impossible or statistically improbable in some way, and even after that, people will and well should keep investigating.

What I find interesting is that Nickolaus would not have to fake ballots in order to be a part of the outrage conspiracy that I mention in the first paragraph. If she simply made it look like the election was stolen by withholding and finding the ballots in one county that has more Republicans, it could be part of a conspiracy to get someone so pissed off that they do something stupid and discredit the unions. Even if the ballots didn't go her way, there'd be no risk to just trying and seeing if it works.

Now if you're thinking of doing violence, let me suggest that you instead do a little violence to yourself by sticking an electric lemon reamer up your ass and plugging it into a 220 volt socket which would be twice the intended voltage. This is playing into the Republicans' hands and won't solve anything anyways. Just because I wonder if they are trying to provoke violence doesn't mean that I think it's justified or even useful. You could instead consider signing up as an election judge and not getting all buddy-buddy with the Republicans like I think happens when people sit around together all day at the polls. Or be part of some NGO election oversight. Our country has a legal, systematic revolution decreed every two years; do what you can to win that one, and/or make it fair.

I obviously don't have enough evidence to believe this myself, but I wonder what someone would find if they investigated it from this angle.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:48 PM
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1. Its possible, but
wouldnt the next (presumably Democratic) Governor be able to undo the restrictions on unions Walker established?
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:52 PM
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3. That actually helps the theory some.
They're not doing anything that can't be reversed easily, so it would be unwise to do it if that were their only goal. Maybe they were banking on a union supporter doing something so offensive to most Americans that they can't get back the support in Wisconsin and even start losing support nationwide.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:27 PM
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9. No. Not if land and minerals are sold to Kochs and environmental is dismantled. THIS is why Walker
is there. This is why he is doing this fast. This is why he does not care. He is there to destroy as much as he can so it is near impossible to stop the investors waiting in the wings.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:52 PM
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2. I'm a precinct inspector.
In CA. That means I run the show for the precinct. :thumbsup:
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 07:43 PM
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14. So are you planning on giving us some insight or just bragging.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 11:24 PM
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16. The OP suggested signing up as an election judge.
I responded to the post to say I had already done so.

Why the fucking snark? :shrug:
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 10:42 AM
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17. Sorry for the half cocked comment.
Edited on Sat Apr-09-11 10:44 AM by ooglymoogly
and the snark. Did not get the meaning.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:57 PM
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4. I've been telling NWO conspiracy teabaggers online who were praying that Obama and his family die,
Or advocating his death openly, as some proclaimed, they needed to remember those executive orders that Bush signed. If they want to have the martial law they shriek about come about, violence is the fastest way. What they don't get, is that they are bringing about exactly what they say they fear.

In their world, the NWO is all about bankers controlling the world, becoming super wealthy and impoverishing everyone on the planet to submission to their plans. And who did they vote for in their NO TAXES mantra to stop being oppressed by taxes and bankers?

The same party that has fought to maintain the wealth and create a real NWO, if they only thought a minute. But they didn't. They whined about their tax burden as if the government that provided services they want and need, was oppressing them terribly. That government they voted to destroy, was the only thing standing between them and the super rich with democratic regulations.

So the great unwashed get their way. Well, not really.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:59 PM
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5. best post of yours i've read ever. (which is.... not to say much, but a... huge improvement.)
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:59 PM
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6. I wanna see their birth certificates n/t
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:00 PM
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7. Isn't the issue if they were changed? Not that they were fake since numbers aren't that off nt
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:06 PM
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8. That should be checked out as well, but the theory doesn't require any tampering.
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 10:07 PM by LoZoccolo
All it needs is for there to be one area where the ballots can be turned in late where the margin of Republican over Democratic votes is enough to change the result. And even if the person stashing and then "finding" the ballots is wrong about there being enough votes in the box to change the election, they really don't lose anything more by guessing wrong and failing.
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Sonoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:38 PM
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10. Bill Hicks would love this.
Read it out loud.

In front of a mirror.

You'll see...

Knthef##kR

Sonoman
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:44 PM
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11. Your theory is that Walker and Nickolaus are devious trolls?
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 10:45 PM by jpgray
:D

I think that's an interesting take, actually. The risks would seem to be too high--if it was discovered that the votes were willfully withheld, that could cause more inquiry than anyone I think would want, not to mention that her withholding had to be rather precise: she had to know that Kloppenburg was going to win or that it would be at least close less the 14,000 votes for the move to have any purpose. But as far as what could exasperate Dems more than an apparently stolen but unassailable certified election, I can't think of much.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:59 PM
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13. She wouldn't really have to know it was going to be close, though.
If it wasn't close, what would she lose? It would be like "oops, we found some ballots but it doesn't change anything" and people wouldn't bother looking into any wrongdoing. You're right that it wouldn't have any purpose, but she would have even less to lose because no one would bother looking into it.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:52 PM
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12. Consipracy theory? Well, you've certainly come to the right place. n/t
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 11:22 PM
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15. Delete
Edited on Fri Apr-08-11 11:23 PM by Webster Green
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