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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:41 PM
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In This Day and Age, Why Would Anyone Use A MS Access Database for Counting Votes?!?!
Are you kidding me? There are far, far, far better database management systems out there. Hell, some of them are even completely free, so cost is not even an excuse.

Unreal.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:53 PM
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1. true
mysql is free, much better, but then you actually have to know how to use sql
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:11 PM
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10. Not Really
Any developer could design an easy to use interface so that the user wouldn't need to know any sql at all.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:54 PM
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2. presumably, ignorance is the only excuse. works for some, too.
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:07 PM
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7. She is clearly not IT ignorant. - n/t
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:57 PM
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3. Open source will promote transparency, and we can't have that.
Not in the country that has the best elections money can buy.

You sound like some sort of pinko Commie, youngster.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:58 PM
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4. access database with a SQL frontend is perfectly fine.
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:16 PM
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14. Did you mean
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 10:37 PM by ChromeFoundry
"MS Access with a SQL Server backend is perfectly fine?"

SQL Server does not have a "frontend" GUI, except if you mean the DB management application (SQL Server Management Studio).

MS Access is a frontend to a Jet 3.0 structured file. It is not a database. It is a file management system not a service driven relational DB.
MS Assess is a glorified spreadsheet and has no business holding any data sensitive or critical in nature. It cannot be secured!

Hell, you may as well store the data in CSV or XML format... Jet tends to corrupt very easily (MS Registry anyone?). Sqlite would even be a better choice, but I would still complain that it is not much better in Access!
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:59 PM
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5. I particularly like the part...
...where she forgot to save the data... In Microsoft Access. The Microsoft Access that you don't have to save data in because once you enter it in, it's there.

I would LOVE to get my hands on that database before she can re-index it and hide what she did. Hopefully she's too stupid to know to do that, which is highly likely since she's a Republican and is using Microsoft Access for counting votes in the first place.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:12 PM
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11. I think I read she is a Computer Programmer
So...I don't think being an idiot is an issue...
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:25 PM
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18. I've met programmers
that are idiots. You would not believe the things I have seen DBAs and programmers do - I'm a Network Engineer.
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:35 PM
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23. I've met some network engineers
that messed up routing tables and hosed up load balancers in production environments, too. Doesn't mean all Net Engineers/Programmers/DBAs are idiots.

Cisco IOS was written by a programmers. As was the entire Network Stack of every appliance on the net. You would not have the job you have without non-idiot programmers.

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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:32 PM
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21. If She's A Programmer, Then She Can Easily Rigged The Database
For even a rank amateur programmer with a few hours of training can rigged a database to export any results you want:

SELECT final_tally + 14000
FROM tblVotes
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 10:55 AM
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30. Then she's being willfully stupid.
if she doesn't know that access auto saves.

I'm not in IT nor am a Network Engineer, I just input data into Access and even I know it autosaves.

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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:31 PM
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20. Thats an interesting point.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:02 PM
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6. Why would there be a screwup if you input it directly into the database instead of using the form?
Doesn't the form change the database?
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SlimJimmy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:09 PM
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9. Inputing into the table makes the changes immediatley. Inputing into a form can change a lot of
options depending on how the programmer wrote the VBA behind the processes.

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:48 PM
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26. I really need to learn how to program in access.
It's been on my todo list forever.
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SlimJimmy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 08:47 AM
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28. It can be a very robust program is used properly. Most folks don't even use
a tenth of its capabilities.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:07 PM
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8. Simple answer to that.
In terms of budgeting they're going to buy the cheapest thing that'll do the job and also get them long-term support. Which means Microsoft rather than Oracle or a low-cost (unsupported) open-source solution.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:13 PM
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12. But There are Free Enterprise Level Databases Available
Hell, a lot of heavily traffic websites use MySql because it's freeee.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:14 PM
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13. See "long-term support"
Free = unsupported (unless you go with Red Hat Enterprise or a similar *nix solution).
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:19 PM
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15. Okay so bottom line, it sounds as though she knew better and still chose the easy hack job program
Or am I misunderstanding? (be gentle, I'm a horse trainer/farmer and most of what you're putting out there sounds like gibberish).

This woman actually IS a programmer?? So she could manipulate an easily hacked program to produce the results she wanted?
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 09:59 AM
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29. I Could Train You For Four Hours and You Would Be Able To Hack A MS Access Database
It's really easy to do.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:20 PM
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16. Nickolaus needs to be subpoenaed to testify in front of a
federal grand jury. Under penalty of perjury. Like tomorrow.
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FeelingBlue Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:23 PM
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17. You should start a new thread and say that.
You are absolutely right.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:35 PM
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24. Tee-hee-hee. Not sure if you are being sarcastic. If so, touche. If
not, I did start one and it plummeted down the list of threads:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Please feel free to weigh in. Look forward to hearing what you have to say :)
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FeelingBlue Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:57 PM
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27. I am not being sarcastic at all.
You have an excellent point and you are right. I am completely in earnest when I agree with you that this person should absolutely be subpoenaed (especially since I just had to spell that word), and tomorrow! And furthermore, there should be some forensic programmer somewhere who can decipher what actually, truthfully, honestly happened to her computer. Try posting that in the Wisconsin section. I don't know: I think this is the best idea I have seen here tonight. And despite the fact that I am desperate for a good idea out of this mess, I am discerning! I know a good post when I read one!! Well done and thank you. :toast:
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:27 PM
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19. First question:
WTF was a personal computer used for any purpose regarding this election other than surfing for relevant news?

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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:37 PM
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25. Second (and third) questions: what communications if any have
you had in the past x number of days with a) Governor Scott Walker, b) Speaker Fitzgerald and\or c) anyone associated with Koch brothers?
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:33 PM
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22. There's certainly merit for it.
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 10:34 PM by Ellipsis
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