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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:58 PM
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Well I gotta tell you this won't wash...
Here we go again.

Another ancient computer system which just happens to be in a conservative county gaining 14000 votes where an individual with a dubious history, just happens to put the data ON HER OWN PERSONAL SYSTEM.

Waukesha county are you fuckin' nuts?

Well I have to tell you if they haven't locked down those machines, they are in deep shit. Hell I wouldn't allow them to turn them off. I certainly wouldn't reboot them and IF they are shut down, boot up under a different volume and go through those bad boys with a fine tooth comb. I hope and indeed I pray that they have taken measures to secure this equipment with the utmost care.

The people securing the equipment better independent experts from an independent organization that is trustworthy.


Once they do that, secure the the roll books, and physical ballots insuring the chain of evidence doesn't get tainted.


From there everything is simple to isolate and find... It's not as complex as going through 1.5 million ballots. Tell you what though just for grins, I'd secure all ballots in Washington and Ozaukee county. If she was with the republican caucus in the day, she has cronies from that time who interwoven in these other counties...and this could just be misdirection if their was intent here and I'm not saying there is yet. And where the hell has SCOTT JENSEN and his buddies been during this fiasco


I will tell you guys this I do believe neither the other party nor Prosser will allow this to happen. If there is any hanky panky. Scott Walker...not so much. But I can't imagine even he would stoop to this. But who knows.


I have no doubt that are overzealous individuals in this day, that given whats at stake, can morally and psychologically justify this action to themselves ... but I imagine, in truth, it's much simpler. It's all about greed.

Greed is the root cause of all the crap that is going down in this state. People in state right now are looking to exploit the resources of Wisconsin because we are vulnerable. The amount of amount of money here... there, s a line from a recent film that fits, "Wrath of God Money"

What the bulk of people, in this state anyway, don't get is that people could even think this way.
That people would manipulate our right to vote in order to prostitute and sell off our resources for short term materialistic gratification. "Clear cut", if you would what remains pristine in our environment, the pride, we carry and the value of our institutions, and finally the culture and art that stimulates our intellect so we won't question the process.

Well fuck that.


Not this time.... Send in the lawyers and get the experts in there NOW!
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:03 PM
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1. Walker Inc. has already shown sufficient contempt for law
If anything his crooked party should be under close observation if not investigation.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:07 PM
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2. Waukesha County clerk Kathy Nickolaus keeps the vote totals on a personal computer
which is not part of the general system. This looks as bad as it is.
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:09 PM
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3. You know this had nothing to do with the machines right?
This was supposed to be an error with the tabulations on a laptop.

An entire city's votes were apparently not added into the totals. It looks to have been an easy thing to check and the Democratic canvass member concurred with the updated results.

I know it sucks, and it should be investigated - but it really doesn't appear to have anything to do with voting machines at all.

Everyone knows this was a referendum on Walker's agenda, and it appears that almost exactly half of Wisconsin voters actually support it
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:15 PM
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8. But, they could have seen a "lump" of votes were missing by figuring in their heads.
If they had a total of voters who signed in, it shouldn't have been that difficult to see 7000 were missing from the total vote. You wouldn't need a computer for that.
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Imajika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:33 PM
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10. I am not sure it matters...
The county was re-canvassed and the new totals stand. We are talking about an entire city's votes simply not being added into the grand total. This is not about stuffing or tampering with a machine - something that may be difficult to detect, this will be something very easy to check and verify.

Unfortunately, the Democratic member of the canvass board concurs with these new totals. There just isn't any way around that.

As to why the problem wasn't noticed, who knows. The incompetent Republican woman who made the error will probably say it is because the turnout was so high for a supreme court election.

The bottom line though is this is not about voting machines, this is about reporting vote totals. It is easy to check, re-check, verify and verify again. I am quite sure this has been done.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:20 PM
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19. I really do hope the data is voided. It's unreliable it was on her personal pc. Quid Pro Quo.
I would hope any way.


Thanks for the info.
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:12 PM
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4. They need to throw out all the votes from he county in question
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:12 PM
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5. This seems like a broken record but there is a paper trail and it would be very easy to prove this
Sigh...
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:15 PM
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6. Be sure to read the linked article at this post:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:15 PM
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7. Send in the lawyers and get the experts in there NOW
If it was up to us, we would! That's what's so frustrating -- the inaction!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:15 PM
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9. Interesting how these amazing vote miracles only happen for republicans.
Amazing.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:52 PM
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12. There was one county discussed earlier(don't remember the thread)...
think it was Winnebago Co(Fox cities)that ran out of paper ballots and used E&S machines for the balance of votes. I am not positive about it being Winnebago Co.

Tried to google: Wisconsin County+ran out of paper ballots+used voting machines

Lots of info on this google page. One county ran out of ballots and used photocopies(will not run through the electronic counter)and many many more exceptions to the paper ballot only.

For you real experts, a good place to start looking. Many counties had problems.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:15 PM
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18. Fondulac. I have to say I was alittle surprised at the ration of dems. to pubes.
That number seemed high but. But I don't know Fon Du Lac in terms of political bent. It could be true. Merc Marine is there.

The union got bit in the ass by management. They were going to shut her down and move all the jobs to Oklahoma. They took a big cut in pay and bennies.

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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:47 PM
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11. If she took it off the official computer the data must be declared invalid.
Of course it won't be.

Blatant criminal cheating and fraud will usually win the day which is why we have this conservative tidal wave right now.
They know it works and will keep doing it forever.

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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:05 PM
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17. I think voiding the data is the simplest and then re-voting.
Nobody gets blamed. We move on.


For recount logic I'd start with Waukesha.


I'd seriously would give deep focus on Washington and Ozaukee county.

There is just cause to polk a little deeper into the mix.

If I remember right Waukesha, had a woppin' 94% (I could be way off here, so, grain of salt) just an obscene turnout for the 2004 election. They do turn out too. They're proud of that.

But 94%?


94%!



H'mmm.

I'm just sayin'...
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:57 PM
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13. HUGE K & R !!!
:kick:
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:12 PM
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14. K & R!
For later follow up.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:21 PM
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15. So where were the Democratic poll watchers there? This wasn't done in a closet.
Didn't the people in that city wonder where their poll results were on Tuesday night, or Wednesday?
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:47 PM
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16.  A rant , none the less, ...I am indeed an editor's nightmare.
I posted this pretty rushed.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:34 PM
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20. If they only look at her they are stupid. It is more than her.
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