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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:32 PM
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These 7,000 votes were found on the clerk's "personal" computer?
This is outright fraud. She is now stating she is so glad this "error was caught early."
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ReturnoftheDjedi Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:34 PM
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aren't there scan ballots that can be counted??
surely the only evidence isn't on her PC.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:36 PM
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Yes. There must be. Where are they?
Who's counting them?
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:36 PM
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3. ALL recounts are hand counted here. All votes on paper.
So, yes. And there will be a recount.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:45 PM
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8. The candidate has to specify a hand recount
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:50 PM
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9. Are you sure they are all paper ballots? Heard a report on Chicago's CPT
that Brookfield ran out and switched to a DRE machine.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:56 PM
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13. They used the DRE machines for the disabled which produce paper.
by law
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ReturnoftheDjedi Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:10 PM
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22. so there were no actual ballots? just a roll of tape from some machine?
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:09 PM
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28.  Yeah. It isn't a reliable ballot. I can't imagine their were very many disabled votes
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 11:10 PM by Ellipsis
Easy enough to figure that out.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 09:16 AM
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36. I have not heard Brookfield ran out of ballots.
Delafield did, Eau Claire did, Beaver Dam did, but show me where and when Brookfield did.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:34 PM
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1. The whole thing reeks.
I can smell the stench all the way down here in South Carolina.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:37 PM
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7. I can smell it from California!
Anyone in Hawaii smell that?
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Betty Karlson Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 09:08 AM
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35. Darling, I'm in Europe
And right here, the stench is still unabated!
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 03:01 PM
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37. At this point
The Astronauts on the Space station can smell it.. (Is that still up there?)
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:50 PM
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25. Hell yeah.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:35 PM
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2. That is totally inaccurate
The claim is that the City of Brookfield's #'s were not in the #'s given to media (mistakenlyomitted from the Access database on her PC).

Unofficial #'s. During certification, they caught it yesterday and contacted GAB. Since then, they've been counting and verifying - confirming the gain of 14,314 votes.

My Democratic CD chair spoke to the Democratic rep who was overseeing.

Should it have happened? no
Is the clerk an incompetent asshole? yes
Fraud? Doesn't look that way

I will await a recount and know that my Democratic reps have my back.

This is Wisconsin, we will fight this. If you don't believe that then you've been covering your eyes and ears for 8 weeks.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:37 PM
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5. As long as you're sure it's Brookfield and not Brigadoon.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:50 PM
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10. So it would seem - however (call me paranoid)
if these votes were deliberately withheld until the last minute, their sudden appearance would (and did) draw all eyes to them. Like a magician fluttering one hand in the air, while the other pulls off the trick. What counties are we NOT looking at while obsessing over this one?

Yeah, I'm paranoid - and I think experience gives me a right to be.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:54 PM
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12. GAB and the Democrats will look into this.
Our state Dems are amazing, you all have gotten a taste of that recently. If there has been fraud, we'll find it. If there has been misconduct, we'll expose it.

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:11 PM
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15. You seem to be the only Democrat in WI who is not calling for as much outside legal and audit help
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 08:15 PM by brentspeak
as humanly possible on this. All the WI Democrats I'm talking to this evening want as much outside Democratic party/progressive legal firepower as possible to come on over to WI and help investigate and vet the Waukesha situation.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:13 PM
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16. If you are accusing me of trolling or doubting my commitment as a Dem or my state or this race
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 08:14 PM by PeaceNikki
check my fucking post history here, ffs.

I have a horse in this race and I KNOW some of the Dems involved in this. This is *MY* community, *MY* fight, *MY* neighbors and I give a shit. GAB and the Democrats will look into this.

Our state Dems are amazing, you all have gotten a taste of that recently. If there has been fraud, we'll find it. If there has been misconduct, we'll expose it.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:22 PM
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19. One thing that can be said for certain
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 08:23 PM by brentspeak
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:27 PM
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20. Yes, when there are 37 thread on the same topic, I do that. So fucking sue me.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:16 PM
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31. Skittles needs to kick his ass.
:toast:
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:05 PM
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27. Peace! Nikki...
Went through the same thing here last year, but few noticed the really tight Congressional race and the recount for some reason. (And thank the gods for that!) Most who did, though, were from out of town and had plenty of good advice.

Well, they thought it was good advice while we had out team in there almost 24 hours a day making sure everything was legit. It was, and we ended up winning, but the tinfoil crew saw evil conspiracies under every bed and made no allowance for the kind of screwups that can happen just because shit happens. In our case, there were a lot of new people unfamiliar with how things should work in an election (it's not like a lot of people do this for a living) and made simple mistakes that were uncovered and dealt with.



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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:15 PM
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17. I'm sorry but
I can't imagine the NY County Clerk putting votes on his personal computer. This doesn't pass the smell test. I suspect you'll be fighting soon.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:49 PM
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24. I love your spirit! Go Wisconsin!
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:13 PM
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29. What is 'GAB'? I'm a Wisconsin ex-pat from 20 years back, but
don't recognize the acronym.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:15 PM
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30. Government Accountability Board
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:24 PM
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32. Thanks. If I understand your general drift in various of the threads,
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 11:24 PM by coalition_unwilling
you don't believe that the 7,000-odd votes were fraudulently manufactured or obtained. They simply were not included in the initial counts provided to the media.

If Nickolaus really was (or is) a computer programmer, then her statement about a file not being 'saved' in MS Access is highly suspicious and deserves some serious scrutiny, because it suggests she may be lying about other equally important matters. I want to see her sweated in front of a federal grand jury. Sounds like you have a more bslanced take than my admittedly partisan one.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:29 PM
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33. A) It was 14k, not 7k.
See these threads for my opinion (sick of copying and pasting or typing it) :):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:39 PM
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34. You're absolutely right about the 14K. Apologize for the
verbal slip -- after you read 7K so many times, you sort of start to internalize it :)

Thanks again for the links and the clarifications. Out here in safely blue west side of Los Angeles, I've forgotten what contested territory feels and looks like.
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Riley18 Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:36 PM
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4. Time for the good guys to find the 10,000 votes on their computer
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:37 PM
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6. The access DB
was on her computer. There should be a paper trail to back up the increase. My concern is her access to the ballots coupled with the Access DB on her personal computer could lead to a fraudulent situation. (Not known that she has ballot acces, pure conjecture on my part)


That being said, it smells a lot, and needs to be investigated.

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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:57 PM
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14. .
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 08:00 PM by BrightKnight
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:52 PM
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11. I thought that the FBI investigated election fraud even in states.
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 08:02 PM by BrightKnight
They have resources and expertise that States do not. They protect aginst cyber attacks and high technology crimes. The FBI specifically against election fraud.
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upstatecajun Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:17 PM
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18. HMMMMM
BULL BUTTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:argh:


That is all.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:42 PM
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21. Time to see what the Democrats are really made of. nm
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:16 PM
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23. Put a crook in jail and she looks perfectly normal.
Sure looks crooked from here though
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:19 PM
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26. The chain of custody has been broken, I don't think it will
stand up in court.
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