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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:07 PM
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Are Republicans about to hand 7,000 votes to Prosser through electoral fraud?
Many of you may have heard that 7,000 votes are about to be added to Prosser's total because of a supposed computer error. It just so happens that the computer error may have happened because a Republican County Clerk was keeping the vote tallying software on her personal PC and refused to have it audited:

Waukesha - The County Board's Executive Committee has ordered an audit of the county clerk's election equipment and system beginning with the September primary despite several memos she sent to the committee over the weekend defending her practices and resisting the move.

County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus has maintained that as the one in charge of elections, she is responsible for the security and operation of the system. However, other county officials say they worry about the integrity of the old equipment and the system she's using and whether she has adequate backup.

County Corporation Counsel Thomas Farley told the committee Monday that as an elected official with responsibility for elections, "If she wants to keep everything secret, she probably can.

"I don't know if that's wise or what she should do, but if she wants to and the public is satisfied that that's what they want - someone who keeps everything secret - that's up to them."


http://www.jsonline.com/news/waukesha/100890299.html

Kathy Nickolaus is the past President of the Republican Women of Waukesha Executive Committee.

http://www.waukeshagop.org/womendir.html

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TaylorWatts Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:08 PM
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1. Litigate this. This lady is shady as hell.
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:44 PM
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32. I pray that she has altered computer records to give advantage to
the republican. That action would invalidate her county's vote. Her county was single-handedly responsible for keeping the republican in the race, giving him around 90,000 votes. The republican won the county by a margin of about 78% to 22%. Doubtful that an investigation will give him any more vote, but an investigation will likely take thousands of votes from the republican.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:09 PM
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2. If what they are saying is true, it should be very easy to verify. They are claiming they forgot a
whole city.

So just add the votes from all the other cities in the county, and see if it adds up to the previous reported total. If so, they forgot to report an entire city.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:10 PM
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3. Third world rigged elections! I have no faith in the election systems in
this country.
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:23 PM
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15. This is exactly what they are doing their best to accomplish -- to turn
this country of ours into a Third World country. They've been trying
to do this ever since GW Bush, less obviously since Ronald Reagan.
It's so clear!
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:41 PM
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31. And what I find so incredible is so many Americans are willing to help them. n/t
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:33 PM
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52. Yes, the brain-washed ones. The Repubs. have been working
hard over ownership of newsmedia for more than a centuryl. Today they own
90% of the newsmedia industry. After more than a century of propaganda and
lies, half of our nation have been brain-washed and will automatically do
as the media tell them.l

The Repubs have been working hard, long and persistently. It was planned.
And they've got what they've worked for -- even though much of what they do
is based on propaganda and lies, and the profits and benefits would go to
themselves, and at everyone else's expense. The Neocons' motto: I, me, myself.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:01 PM
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53. Exactly, and what makes it so insidious is many wave the flag and thump the
bible while proclaiming how they are watering the tree of liberty, but in effect they are doing the bidding of their worst enemy. Our country is under siege with the most manipulative propaganda probably ever fostered on a county in such an insidious manner, but so many are so naive.


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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 02:10 PM
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61. You're right. They're famous for their pompous words and show,
ut they offer nothing but pain and misery when people follow their propganda and lies.

Their pompous words and show are nothing but lies to distract Americans from
their real goal of deceiving and ripping off the people in order to enrich
themselves.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 03:36 PM
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64. I've tried explaining that to RW'ers, but my cat listens to me more! n/t
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:06 PM
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43. I wish they go back to paper ballots. Paper ballots don't lie. Shady.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:11 PM
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4. If they do and no one does anything about it, then what was the fucking POINT!?
Breath in...breath out...
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:56 PM
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35. Exactly. If the woman has altered computer records to favor the
republican, she is going to jail. Even if she gave him 50 more votes that he did not earn, that is criminal fraud. Fraud will invalidate the votes and send the woman to jail.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:05 PM
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42. Some people are saying it COULD BE an honest mistake.
History proves them wrong, but still we shall see...I am seeing RED RIGHT NOW. Need to go outside.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:12 PM
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5. We predicted this on DU on election night. Republicans always cheat
in any way they can possibly get away with.

It was a no brainer.

Never, ever trust a republican. Ever.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:13 PM
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6. As the Rude Pundit said... "You need to expect that motherfuckers will fuck their mothers.
It's just what motherfuckers do. They fuck their mothers. It's right there in the word. If you put John Boehner's mother in front of him, he will fuck her. Because he is a motherfucker. It's what he knows. It's what all Republicans know. It's their nature. "
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wtbymark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:13 PM
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7. so let me get this straight
a former president of a republican committee magically finds a 7000 vote swing for a repuke on her personal computer that she wont allow anyone to see---- Is this Iraq????
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:14 PM
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9. Oh, the GAB *will* see it and demand explanation
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:14 PM
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8. It should be simple enough to tell.
If the original reports to the AP don't include an entire town... then it's incompetance but not fraud.

If there is reporting for each of the precincts at something like predictable turnout levels and now the numbers are much higher... then it's fraud.

The "good" news here is that it should be easy to see.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:24 PM
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16. Precisely
Eyes are watching
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:16 PM
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10. They are desperate enough to try and push the official total outside the free recount limit and....
pray like hell we won't pay for one cause they know they will get busted.

My guess is they have already cheated as much as they thought they could get away with.

Any decent audit will catch them unless the local clerks are in on it.
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:59 PM
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37. If computer records have been altered, she is done.
If she reported the city then unreported it by key strokes, an electronic trail was created both times that can't be erased. If Wisconsin democrats don't subpoena the computer and have an expert examine it what can one say.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:04 PM
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41. They have to prevent a recount or they are fucked.....period. Hand counted ballots
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 06:06 PM by yourout
cross checked with poll books will show a discrepancy of vote totals from precincts but
if the recount is prevented no one will know and the only way they can prevent the recount
is to push the margin outside the 1/2 percent for the free recount trigger and hope like hell
we won't fund one.

My guess is they have been screwing with the totals earlier and know that a recall may land someone in jail.
They just underestimated the amount the needed to win.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:17 PM
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11. There are times when the people have to take matters into their own hands.
Cuz we're not gonna take it anymore.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:32 PM
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21. You know what they want.
Blood in the streets.

They have pushed the people of Wisconsin all during this showdown. They have accused them of being dirty hippies who stank up the capitol and vandalized it. They have locked them out and tried to take away all their rights.

So far, the people have worked peacefully through legal channels.

The next step might be a general strike. Or...

If they get angry enough to retaliate forcefully, the repuke jerks will say, "See? We told you so."

If they take things into their own hands, maybe my hands will be there to help. We have all had enough of their cheating and stealing.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:11 PM
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47. A million person march, general strikes, and mass boycotts are good first steps.
Taking matters into our own hands may be the only way to retain our rights.
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louslobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 05:00 PM
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65. And maybe mine as well, what's the point in remaining silent in this fraud of a Democracy, desperate
times, sometimes, demand desperate measures.
Lou
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:21 PM
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12. I don't understand how NO ONE NOTICED that a whole town
was missing from the totals yesterday. No one, including the AP.
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michaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:23 PM
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14. I still say that they would have to check and make sure all of the towns and cities were in. n/t
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:01 PM
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39. Chill. If the official has altered records, she has invalidated her
county's vote and put herself in handcuffs.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:22 PM
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13. I just found 34000 votes on my computer for his opponent here in PA
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 05:25 PM by PCIntern
I can't tell yu where they came from, but they're genuine. Rally thay ahr!!!!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:25 PM
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17. Wow, what a conincidink! I just 'found' 8,000 more votes
on a dusty harddrive that obviously is legit and fair. Wonder how it got here...no matter, tally the votes please! Before I find 55,000 votes, in my pants!!!
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:27 PM
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18. and I'm checking all my computers here at the office...
WHOOPS! I just found 6.023 x 10 to the 23rd power votes!!!! And 600 for Al Gore on my FL computer!!!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:38 PM
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26. Amazing! I too found 600 votes for Al!! Think it will help?
Naw, Sore Loserman would still tell Al to quit and give up. NM.

You know...I just saw a few votes tick by on my yahoo email account...3, no 4 now. I will send them in, since I want to be fair and honest with no clear agenda. SERIES>
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:29 PM
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19. Yay! And I just found 14 million more for Kloppenburg on mine! Scouts honor!
It's a miracle! And the face of Scott Walker has appeared on my dirty panties!

Oh...eeeeeeeeewwwww!
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:30 PM
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20. Hmmm.
We had a guy here in Philly years ago who'd have bought them off you for a fair sum.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:34 PM
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22. Okay, I thought this was a done deal, election was over, and Prosser had *LOST*. What's going on in
Wisconsin? Is the outcome now in doubt? :shrug:

Sorry if I missed some of this, but I'm behind the curve on this latest info.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:36 PM
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24. It appears that a whole town's results went unreported,
and the results would give a 7000 net gain to Prosser.

And these county results were being held on someone's personal computer . . . someone who has refused in the past to have her system audited.
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:03 PM
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40. The computer will be audited this time around. And if she cheated, she is headed to jail. nt
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:35 PM
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23. Any chance of Gbagbo conceding on his own?
Sorry. Wrong thread.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:37 PM
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25. Before we get worked up
the artical states that the entire city of Brookfield was left out, and that nearly 14000 people voted, right?

It then goes on to say that a net 7381 votes will be added to Posser, right?

What the article fails to state is how many votes will be added to Koppenburg...

And, finally, the article also gets the facts wrong:

"While many believed a recount was inevitable, the addition of the Brookfield votes for Prosser could push the justices lead beyond the legal threshold that would trigger an automatic recount."

There is no automatic recount.

As should be expected with a report that appears on National Review - something smells like shit.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:39 PM
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27. GAB said 6k for Kloppenburg, and a NET of 8k for Prosser.
Press conference happening now.
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dems_rightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:39 PM
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28. They say Wisconsin has a good paper trail.
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 05:40 PM by dems_rightnow
If so, it's going to be easy to tell if they're legitimate.
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:51 PM
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33. Better than a good paper trail is a good electronic trail.
If the republican operative has altered electronic records, experts will open that up like a can. If she in cheating by modifying electronic files, she has fucked up and is headed to prison.
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SnakeEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:40 PM
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29. Nate Silver thinks these votes are likely legit.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:59 PM
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36.  That Just Means The Criminals Concocted Their Fraud Competently, Sir, Nothing More
They kept in the right global number, but a break favoring one candidate by four to one is absolutely bogus.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:32 PM
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57. +1
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:40 PM
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30. Democrats must demand a re-vote in that county. The county went
like 78% for the republican. How can he get 7,000 or even 200 more vote there. The county kept the republican in the race. The registrar obviously does not realize that altered computer records can easily be shown to have been altered. If the alteration favors the republican, the change can invalidate all votes from that county.
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:53 PM
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34. Unbelievable!
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:00 PM
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38. anyone in the Party saying anything about This Election Fraud?
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:06 PM
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44. I guess it will be challenged and the computer taken away and examined
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 06:07 PM by bluestate10
by experts. The woman must be an absolute hick. She does not seem to understand that if she alters one bit of data to give the republican advantage, she is a criminal that is headed to jail.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:23 PM
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48. If a planned fix is in, the "law" and the "experts" will be fixed also.
It will have been a relatively long term plan. There will be no legal recourse. SCOTUS will rule in favor of republicans. The woman will get off.

Just like Florida 2000.
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mazzarro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:06 PM
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45. My Question Now Is What Is WI Democratic Party Going To Do?
Will WI Democratic Party lie down and take i like the DNC normally does or will it fight like mad dog?
They better not let the reThugs get away again with this SHIT!
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:07 PM
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46. No, we will not.
We're on it.
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hg4 Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:23 PM
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49. heard portion of press conf
Heard the woman defending herself, mentioning the use of spreadsheets, and how
she apparently warned others to carefully import, making shure fields line up etc etc.
I got so angry I shut off the radio! A process depending on spreadsheets and manual
data imports - no chance of error there... aaaaargh
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:27 PM
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50. Would not the very first step to start with an investigation be to
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 06:35 PM by Vinnie From Indy
interview the Democrat representative that witnessed the canvassing? I saw the women in the streamed press conference and she appeared to be about 80 yrs old. Was she steamrolled? Does she have anything to say about the found votes? What is her knowledge of database software etc.?

It would seem that this interviewing this woman would be a logical first step to determine what happened. Just a thought!
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:30 PM
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56. Let's not go down the age discrimination
route. C'mon. People over 50 are perfectly capable and competent. Just because someone is older does NOT mean she is incompetent!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:29 PM
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51. Katherine Harris????
OMFG!!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:24 PM
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54. A whole city's votes missing?
Boy, their faces must be red.

Still, it could happen to anybody, even in the most watched and critical judicial vote in Wisconsin's history.

No biggie.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:26 PM
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55. No fucking way we should allow them to get away with this bullshit!
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:33 PM
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58. This has crooked written all over it. n/t
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:29 PM
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59. I think it is possible this is a diversion from overall election fraud throughout the State.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 12:57 AM
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60. This isn't the first time Kathy's had a "glitch"
In 2006:

"County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus said some returns from the city of Waukesha inexplicably had data recorded in the wrong column, which momentarily skewed the results.

Nickolaus and her staff resorted to correcting the city's results manually - a process that continued until 1:00 am with staffers poring over a blizzard of numbers on computerized printouts."

http://suggest.wi.gov/docview.asp?docid=11008&locid=122
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 02:15 PM
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62. That Prosser is a real son of a glitch
n/t
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 02:16 PM
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63. "Spoiled Ballots" toss them all out.
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OdinOfTheNorth Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 04:17 AM
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66. Votes
Edited on Sat Apr-09-11 04:35 AM by OdinOfTheNorth
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