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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:22 PM
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Poll question: Will Obama Cave Again?
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 04:24 PM by Jack_Dawson
Looks like Dems have agreed to compromise on the opponents' 15 yard line again, and meekly threaten a veto. I don't think Obama has it in him to actually veto "pay for troops" or however Fox spins it. Why doesn't he just grab the mike and say "Look, the Republican plan is a joke...they want to take away your medicare" and call it a day?

Hoping for a show of strength...

:beer:

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:24 PM
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1. I predict a landslide for choice number one.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:36 PM
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5. Because DUer's are so "optimistic"
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:44 PM
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9. You think the problem is optimism??
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:46 PM
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10. You missed the hidden
:sarcasm:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:57 PM
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17. Oh.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:40 PM
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18. Caving is no more certain than the sun rising in the east tomorrow
:patriot:
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:45 PM
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21. Captain Capitulation will save the day!!
:patriot:
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mazzarro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:12 PM
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25. It is in his DNA to compromise, on the compromise with another compromise -- n/t
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:26 PM
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2. What compromise are you referring to?
He's threatening a veto and you're upset? Do you think he's going to fold on defunding his own health care law? I can't imagine him actually agreeing to defund Title X for abortion providers (which amounts to nearly all women's clinics, including Planned Parenthood) either. Stupid policy riders.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 04:01 AM
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43. As to his own healthcare plan, he caved on everything in it that mattered
Edited on Sat Apr-09-11 04:01 AM by Ken Burch
The only thing that was left was trivial, incremental nothingness. There was no victory in that at all. It wouldn't even have helped his mother, due to the implementation delays he built in. Face it, what passed was worse than losing. No bill that watered-down and castrated can be of any value at all.

The result of healthcare proved that this administration is willing to settle for "victory in name"-even though tiny gains like that bill can't be built on in the future at all, because there was no foundation built in it.

Same with the financial nothingness bill.

And the worst thing of all is that he didn't even say, at the bill's signing, anything remotely like "The fight to fix this starts TOMORROW!" We were just expected to settle for the crumbs and be happy.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:28 PM
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3. If he wants my money and time in 2012 he must stand up NOW. I am damned tired of compromising
PRINCIPALS are not for compromising. GET SOME
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:33 PM
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4. Other
HELL YES of course.

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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:36 PM
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6. The answer's "yes". I didn't bother to read the question. nt
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:42 PM
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7. Do you actually care about what happens or just
want to see who is the toughest?

Would you be affected by the shut down?
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:53 PM
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14. And how many lives are affected if he caves?
The Republicans would cave in a few weeks. They don't have what it takes to be "tough" as you put it for very long. It's been so long they'd probably wet themselves.

Caving, however, will have very real consequences for an awful lot of people for potentially generations (I'm thinking Planned Parenthood cuts and changing EPA regs). Either choice is awful, but there's only one morally defensible one as far as I can tell.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:42 PM
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29. Oh, god-- really?
You're really going to trot out the same line used to spin Obama's recent extension of the Bush Tax Cuts?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:38 PM
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34. I can't imagine...
what ignored said now!
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:44 PM
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8. Will the sun appear to rise in the east tomorrow morning?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 03:53 AM
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41. !
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TNLib Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:48 PM
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11. I voted for the first option
I'm just playing the odds (based on the past). But honestly I hope I'm very wrong this time.
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CrossChris Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:50 PM
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12. I voted "other" b/c a google ad was blocking the top choice, AND
it's not caving when you wanted to do it in the first place.
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Luciferous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:50 PM
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13. I think it's an empty threat, but I'm a pessimist.
:D
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:54 PM
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15. Just like he did on DADT.
oooppps.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:00 PM
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32. DADT didn't cut into corporate profits n/t
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:56 PM
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16. 'Cave' implies that he really wants to the the right thing.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:43 PM
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19. I hope not
But I'm 99% sure he will :(
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:44 PM
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20. No.
I want to be right, just this once.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:50 PM
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22. Does a bear shit in the woods. nt
x(
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:51 PM
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23. Oh, fuck, not another caveman thread.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:02 PM
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24. You lie!!!
According to Repub Schweikert, it's their side that always gives in.

Yeah, he really said that.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:14 PM
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26. Do you still beat your wife?
What an oddly worded poll.
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Jack_Dawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:38 PM
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27. Uhhh...
huh? Anyway...poll is going about how I expected.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 05:52 PM
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36. .
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:42 PM
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28. It's the Br'er rabbit routine in a feedback loop.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:43 PM
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30. cave? It's planned
he doesn't cave...
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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:56 PM
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31. No.
This time they've gone too far. I don't think he can afford to cave on this. The Nation can't afford for him to. I think he will stand his ground.

If I'm wrong... I'm going to be depressed beyond my ability to describe.

Don't give in Mr. President. Please don't give in.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:23 PM
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33. Well that was a squeaker.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:39 PM
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35. Other: DOG I HOPE NOT!
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 05:54 PM
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37. He has already proudly announced he's caved on 78% of the cost issues
So what's that mean, no federal funding for NPR? How about the EPA? How about Medicaid? We don't even know how much he's already given up, just that its over three quarters of what the Republicans demanded.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 05:55 PM
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38. So many hoping he'll "cave", just so they can stay mad at him...nt
Sid
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 06:00 PM
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39. Is it raining somewhere on planet earth?
:yawn:
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 06:02 PM
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40. Wouldn't the SENATE need to cave first?
Shouldn't THAT be the question of the day?
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 03:57 AM
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42. He has never NOT caved.
The whole time he's been in, he's never gone to the wall for anything or taken any risks at all for anything. And his apologists here think we're obligated to accept all of it without question just to prove we're not "giving ammunition" to the Right.
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