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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:54 PM
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UPDATES for the Wisconsin Supreme Court - Prosser vs KLOPPENBURG
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 04:41 PM by Tx4obama
Watch these links for updates:

http://twitter.com/WisconsinReport

http://elections.wispolitics.com /

http://randymelchert.com /


Edited the OP and title:
To reflect all the changes in the vote tallies that have taken place.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:56 PM
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1. YAY! n/t
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:56 PM
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2. Woo-hoo!
:party:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:57 PM
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3. Great news. Thanks for the update!
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:59 PM
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4. so if he was up by 40 earlier, then he loses 113, does that put
k up by 73.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:00 PM
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5. Yes, it does put Kloppenburg in the lead again. :)
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:05 PM
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6. So What;s The Tally Now?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:05 PM
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7. LOOK! Now the republicans are cheating!
From Twitter

bikerbd

RT @sentaylor: 254 ballots NOT counted for Prosser "found" in clerks office in winnebago county- puts him up by 50.

http://twitter.com/sentaylor

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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:08 PM
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9. Those numbers were added much earlier.
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romantico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:09 PM
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10. Republican Math
Republican Math 2+2 = 50
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:14 PM
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14. Votes found in clerks office?.....well that makes me all warm and fuzzy that things are on the up...
and up.

Amazing how that happens.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:08 PM
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8. Here's a link to a list of CHANGES
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:11 PM
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11. Waukesha found 200 more votes for Prosser?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:13 PM
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12. delete. n/t
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 04:29 PM by Tx4obama
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:28 PM
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17. There are MORE changes added to the list. Keep refreshing & checking the link below
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 04:35 PM by Tx4obama
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:41 PM
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21. I have no idea how to read this.
Is Prosser getting votes added or subtracted from his total? What is Kloppenburg getting? If a vote is subtracted, does it go to Kloppenburg or just disappear?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:51 PM
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26. What it looks like ....
on the http://randymelchert.com / website it is a list of plus and minus from Prosser's lead from yesterday.

Also see the other two links in the OP for individual gains and losses.

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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:14 PM
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13. Freepers won't like this one
Yeah! :shrug:
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:21 PM
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15. Ok, so what's happening where he is losing votes?
Is there some kind of fraud going on? How can he be minus votes in some counties?

Thanks,

Ghost
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:25 PM
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16. delete. n/t
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 04:30 PM by Tx4obama

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:29 PM
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18. couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
i hope he goes down hard.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:32 PM
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19. uh-oh ....
From http://randymelchert.com /

TWITTER: Numerous sources tell me Prosser will pick up 7000 votes in Waukesha Cty. 14,000 votes were apparently not entered into computer system.
I am leaving Dane County to go to Waukesha County ASAP!!!!

http://randymelchert.com /

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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:40 PM
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20. Koch rats have been busy by dark of night, it seems.
Hopefully someone had the foresight to set a trap for them.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:43 PM
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22. Just like magic.....enough votes to push it outside the free recount limit.
Amazing.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:44 PM
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23. Crap. Crap crap crap. Accordinging to various twits, they forgot to submit the city of Brookfield
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 04:45 PM by BzaDem
in Waukesha County. The whole city.

At least in this case though, it should be easy to verify (by adding the votes of the other cities to see if they match the previous total). We'll see I guess. Crap.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:56 PM
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29. I hope the Dems. are watching this closely. Didn't Waukesha Co. already have
one of the highest turnout rates - without those "missing" 14K votes? If so, this sounds very fishy.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:01 PM
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34. No, they actually had turnout well below what it was in November of 2010, at least according to CNNs
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 05:02 PM by BzaDem
2010 election results.

I was very worried election night because it looked like they had many more votes to count (relative to 2010). Then, I was overjoyed when they reported 100% reporting. Guess they were wrong.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:04 PM
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36. thanks for the info.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 10:51 AM
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50. I just reread your post - wasn't turnout high in 2010 relative to typical *spring*
Edited on Fri Apr-08-11 11:01 AM by spooky3
elections? CNN is comparing apples and oranges. I understand that the statewide turnout is typically 20% for spring elections, but that this year, statewide it was 33%. I believe Waukesha's turnout for this election was higher than 33%, before these 14000 votes were "discovered."

On edit: I just found an article that spells out the numbers in more detail:

"Before the big adjustment, Waukesha County's vote total was just under 111,000. That is equal to 37.4% of the county's voting-age population of 296,081 people in the 2010 census.

After the big adjustment, Waukesha's vote total was roughly 125,000 votes. That is equal to 42.2% of the county's voting-age population.

By comparison, Ozaukee County's turnout was 44.1% of voting-age adults Tuesday, and Washington County's turnout was 40.9%.

The county with the highest turnout rate in the state on Tuesday was Dane County, at 47.7%. The statewide turnout was roughly 34%.

Before the adjustment, Waukesha would have registered by far the biggest decrease in turnout of any county in the state between last fall's governor's race and this spring's court race - almost 26 points, from 63% to 37%. The statewide drop in turnout between those two elections was about 16 points."

more at
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/119449719.ht...

Interestingly, the day before (before the mystery votes turned up) the SAME columnist (Gilbert) said the following:

"Milwaukee County made up a little more than 15% of the vote, lower than its share in the 2000 and 2008 court races but well above its share in other recent court elections.

And the state's biggest Republican county, Waukesha, accounted for 7.5% of the statewide vote, which is extremely consistent with past court races. In other words, the turnout increase in Waukesha County on Tuesday was very much in line with the statewide increase. (my emphasis) The "good news" for conservatives is that their voters didn't exactly stay home. But they did lose the turnout edge they had last fall, when Republican voters in Waukesha and nearby counties turned out in greater proportions than voters anywhere else in the state."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/119373804.ht...

Democrats should look very carefully at these seemingly inconsistent statements. It's possible that they can be reconciled but it looks very suspect.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:45 PM
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24. 2:14 PM: Prosser announces legal team

Justice David Prosser announced this afternoon the leader of his legal team for the expected recount will be Jim Troupis.

The team will also include Milwaukee-based Attorney Dan Kelly and Ben Ginsberg of Washington, D.C.

We are preparing for a recount, contingent on the results of the statewide canvas currently underway, Prosser said.

Ginsberg, of Patton Boggs, worked on the Florida recount in the 2000 presidential race for then-Gov. George Bush.

http://elections.wispolitics.com /

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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:47 PM
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25. Portage County: Prosser gains 10, Kloppenburg gains 101 n/t
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:54 PM
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27. self-delete
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 04:55 PM by spooky3
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:55 PM
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28. 8k net for him in that. Presser at 5:30 CDT
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 04:57 PM by PeaceNikki
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:58 PM
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32. thanks - this is unbelievable.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:02 PM
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35. It's shocking that it's NOT shocking.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:57 PM
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30. See comment #4 on the link below
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:58 PM
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31. Presser moved to 5:30. WPR will air it
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:01 PM
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33. 4:56 PM: Waukesha County clerk calls 5:30 p.m CT news conference
4:56 PM: Waukesha County clerk calls 5:30 p.m. news conference

The Waukesha County Clerk planned a 5:30 p.m. news conference today to discuss its vote totals amid reports that it failed to include the votes for Brookfield in the results it sent The Associated Press on Election Night.

It could represent a more than 7,000-vote swing in an election that whipped back and forth this afternoon as county canvass totals came in.

Brookfield City Clerk Kris Schmidt said she sent her numbers to the county clerk's office Tuesday night that showed David Prosser with 10,859 votes and JoAnne Kloppenburg with 3,456. She said those numbers did not change in the postmortem she did after the election.

"I have no clue whats going on. she said. "No one has officially told me whats going on."

http://elections.wispolitics.com /

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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:06 PM
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39. "I have no clue whats going on. she said..." nt
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:04 PM
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37. This shit's looking like Florida
all over again.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:04 PM
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38. Eau Claire County: Prosser gains 199, Kloppenburg gains 228 n/t
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:34 PM
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40. 5:11 PM: Waukesha County canvass nets Prosser more than 7,500 votes

The Waukesha County canvass netted Justice David Prosser more than 7,500 votes over JoAnne Kloppenburg, swinging the vote total dramatically in his direction.

The clerk's office called a 5:30 p.m. news conference to discuss the results. Ahead of the news conference, it handed out a sheet that showed new vote totals for the Supreme Court candidates without explaining the changes.

The new totals showed Prosser with 92,263 votes in the county, while Kloppenburg had 32,758. That netted Prosser 7,582 votes, compared to the initial tally reported by The Associated Press.

http://elections.wispolitics.com /

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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:45 PM
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41. Link for the live stream of the press conference
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:45 PM
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42. Live stream of Waukesha County presser
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:57 PM
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43. 6:39 PM: Winnebago County clerk explains Prosser boost
6:39 PM: Winnebago County clerk explains Prosser boost

Clerk Sue Ertmer said Winnebago County is still working on its canvass, but she has discovered several voting machines that didn't report numbers initially. That resulted in a net gain of 244 votes for Justice David Prosser.

Ertmer said four voting machines in the program indicated they had already turned in results. But it was discovered yesterday morning they had not been reported. That resulted in the county website showing Election Night that 100 percent of the vote was in.

After it was discovered, the updated numbers were posted at the county website yesterday afternoon.

The new numbers were 20,701 for Prosser and 18,887 for Kloppenburg. Ertmer said the canvass to finalize the numbers would pick up again tomorrow.

http://elections.wispolitics.com /

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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:58 PM
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44. 6:39 PM: Winnebago County clerk explains Prosser boost

Clerk Sue Ertmer said Winnebago County is still working on its canvass, but she has discovered several voting machines that didn't report numbers initially. That resulted in a net gain of 244 votes for Justice David Prosser.

Ertmer said four voting machines in the program indicated they had already turned in results. But it was discovered yesterday morning they had not been reported. That resulted in the county website showing Election Night that 100 percent of the vote was in.

After it was discovered, the updated numbers were posted at the county website yesterday afternoon.

The new numbers were 20,701 for Prosser and 18,887 for Kloppenburg. Ertmer said the canvass to finalize the numbers would pick up again tomorrow.

http://elections.wispolitics.com /

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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:14 PM
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45. Prosser appears to be leading Kloppenburg by 5,510
Excerpt:

County election officials still are canvassing results.

But Wisconsin Reporter on Thursday totaled official results from 39 of the states 72 counties.

Twenty-three reported changes from the unofficial tallies reported Tuesday.

Adding Waukesha into those results, Prosser appears to be leading Kloppenburg by 5,510.

http://www.wisconsinreporter.com/forgotten-results-from...

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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:30 PM
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46. If you missed the press conference, here's a link that has a video
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hg4 Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:58 PM
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47. how might we get raw voting machine data? F the spreadsheets
- what is the "tape" she refers to, why not "tapes", is there a tape per voting machine,
or are these machines talking to a another process that totals (if so then why is a
spread sheet needed?

- we need to see these spreadsheets, to understand the process in detail, how can we possibly
trust her otherwise

- do the optical scanners have a timestamp for each vote, or do they simply keep totals
(timestamps would be nice, as they would show vote rate vs vs time)

- what ensures the integrity of the tapes?

- how to we get to the raw data, the data from all the voting machines themselves -
we don't need no stinking spreadsheets just the raw data, and a way to prove
mapping from a voting machine dataset and the physical voting machine
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hg4 Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:15 PM
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48. "we take the tape from every polling place"..
so one tape per polling place, one tape max per ward. Anyone know what these
tapes look like? Is the data "signed with hash" to prevent changes?

they spent all day wed april 6, and today checking that the tape data was reflected
in the spreadsheets? She spoke so generally - reporters should have dug in and
asked more about the so called "verification".
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dragonlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 12:09 AM
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49. The tape is from the optical scanning machine
There would typically be one machine per polling place (sometimes a polling place covers more than one ward). Voters feed the ballots into the machine and it totals up all the votes for each candidate, overvotes and undervotes, and write-ins. At the end of the election the workers take the tape out and compare it to the number of ballots that were given out, and hopefully the numbers match. Otherwise they have to figure out why not.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 10:59 AM
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51. And we need to know if the VOTES - not just the numbers- match up
I read in the Wisconsin Recount Guide that there are special instructions for recounting Optical Scan ballots. The default method is to feed them through the tabulator again, which is an ES&S / Diebold computer with tabulation software. To recount them by hand requires a court order. I remember what troubles Florida had in 2000 & 2004 getting cooperation from the courts, so this worries me. Anyone know the reason they have for requiring a court order for hand-counting these?
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 04:09 PM
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52. Update Friday 2:49 PM: Prosser lead at 7,075 with seven county canvasses still out n/t
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