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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:16 AM
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:18 AM
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1. "Placing bets"! Sounds like good ol' entertainment! By all means!
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:18 AM
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2. Michio Kaku has been correct in forecasting what would happen so far
unfortunately. They need to listen to him.
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:04 AM
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3. OT, Counterpunch should be embarrassed
It's "imminent," not "eminent."

"...a few miles way..."

"...and told them they the plant was..."

Sheesh. National publication.

I agree with the message, but holy cow, can they hire a proofreader?

This type of shoddy journalism does not help the message at all.


Just sayin'

And I have not had any coffee yet.

And to think they just had that massive aftershock and possible additional tsunami.

I can't think of the horror of a radioactive tsunami on top of everything else at that plant and surrounding areas.

Any updates on radiation levels in Cal?, coming on the winds and in the rains?


I now return you to your previously scheduled thread.



"...Me, I'm waiting so patiently

Lying on the floor

I'm just trying to do my jig-saw puzzle

Before it rains anymore..."

Jagger/Richards



rdb
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:25 AM
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4. More untrue fear mongering BS to placate the Anti-nukrers.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:12 PM
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5. Fear-mongering indeed! The other plant shut down as it was ...
supposed to. Damage, so far at least, is internal at the first site--greatest damage was done by the earthquake/tsunami.

Must have been written by the 'Sky Is Falling' crew, most of whom will stop at nothing to continue to confuse the issue. Yellow journalism at it's very best. Very poorly written article...long on conjecture and short on facts.

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:19 PM
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6. That would be "imminent" danger
Auto-Unrec for glaring grammatical error in the first sentence.
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:29 PM
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8. See post #3 above...there's more than that... n/t
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:53 PM
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10. Thanks. The eminent/imminent thing hit me so hard I couldn't read on.
:argh:
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:28 PM
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7. Excuse me but I prefer to get my information from TOD
and the NRC, NYT, etc. rather than to regard an unlinked hyperbolic opinion such as RC continually displays on these boards, as having any value. Especially such an oft-repeated and obviously biased hateful opinion. In light of this morning's close call on the massive aftershock and the ongoing uncertainties that sort of tact to win an argument now would appear to be imprudent;


"...Of course, the water is still being injected into the reactors or poured into the buildings...

As we remember, seawater was initially being used in an attempt to cool the reactor cores and spent fuel, and this went on for several days before it was suggested that continuing was a bad idea due to buildup of salt...

Yesterday, the NY Times obtained a copy of a confidential memo, prepared by the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission, which also refers to unintended consequences...

...New: View the NRC document mentioned in the NYT here. (A Google Doc, upside down. On left menu, download original as pdf, and then invert -- or not)

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7765#more


U.S. Sees Array of New Threats at Japans Nuclear PlantBy JAMES GLANZ and WILLIAM J. BROAD
Published: April 5, 2011

United States government engineers sent to help with the crisis in Japan are warning that the troubled nuclear plant there is facing a wide array of fresh threats that could persist indefinitely, and that in some cases are expected to increase as a result of the very measures being taken to keep the plant stable, according to a confidential assessment prepared by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission...

...While the assessment does not speculate on the likelihood of new explosions or damage from an aftershock, either could lead to a breach of the containment structures in one or more of the crippled reactors, the last barriers that prevent a much more serious release of radiation from the nuclear core. If the fuel continues to heat and melt because of ineffective cooling, some nuclear experts say, that could also leave a radioactive mass that could stay molten for an extended period...

...David A. Lochbaum, a nuclear engineer who worked on the kinds of General Electric reactors used in Japan and now directs the nuclear safety project at the Union of Concerned Scientists, said that the welter of problems revealed in the document at three separate reactors made a successful outcome even more uncertain.

I thought they were, not out of the woods, but at least at the edge of the woods, said Mr. Lochbaum, who was not involved in preparing the document. This paints a very different picture, and suggests that things are a lot worse. They could still have more damage in a big way if some of these things dont work out for them...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/world/asia/06nuclear....



"...Me, I'm waiting so patiently

Lying on the floor

I'm just trying to do this jig-saw puzzle

Before it rains anymore..."

Jagger/Richards
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:34 PM
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9. More learned opinions at TOD
"...Continued hydrogen production could imply that there has been oxidation of the zirconium cladding surrounding the fuel pellets, which in turn implies very high temperatures. Why isn't this thing cooling off? Possibilities:

Poor heat transfer, perhaps getting worse with time
Re-criticality, facilitated by damage to the core structure and insufficient borate in the water
Elsewhere, reactors 5 and 6 are being inundated with radioactive groundwater.

And then there are the spent fuel pools. As for good news, we have no confirmation that TCHLTV:

But we don't believe at this point in time that that core has left the vessel.

Martin Virgilio
Nuclear Regulatory Commission
4/6/2011

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7765#more


"...Me, I'm waiting so patiently

Lying on the floor

I'm just trying to do this jig-saw puzzle

Before it rains anymore..."

Jagger/Richards






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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:24 PM
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11. I'll check out The Oil Drum website
and as Bob Dylan says:

A hard rain is going to fall..
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:25 PM
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12. birds will spread radiation?
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 10:10 AM
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13. yes - look it up, read about it - the fly distances, plus drop doo


etc., etc.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 10:11 AM
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14. Is it as bad as Chernobyl yet?
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 10:21 AM
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15. Update from TOD on yesterday's aftershock:

Fukushima Open Thread Fri 4/8
Posted by JoulesBurn on April 8, 2011 - 1:49am
Topic: Environment/Sustainability

Yesterday brought the strongest aftershock yet to Japan, which caused some damage at another nuclear reactor.

Thursday's quake damages Onagawa nuclear plant

Nothing major, but problems include:

Splashed spent fuel pool water (not much)
Water leaks around plant
Blowout panels in turbine building damaged
Three of four external power lines out

Tepco reported that the reactors at the Fukushima plant sustained no additional damage, but then they have apparently been remiss in reporting the actual state of affairs previously:

No. 1 reactor lost cooling function on March 11

Unreleased data obtained by NHK suggest that the failure to maintain the cooling functions of the No. 1 reactor at the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant possibly triggered a hydrogen explosion at an early stage. The data show that the water level inside the No. 1 reactor dropped to 45 centimeters above the fuel rods, or about one-tenth the normal level, nearly 7 hours after the March 11th earthquake and tsunami. The fuel rods become exposed 11 hours later.

http://www.theoildrum.com /

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