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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:37 AM
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Why harry reid????
he is no good as the leader. Reid and these other bluedogs usually make the deals and give everything to the RepubliCONS then,everyone turns to Obama to fix it or negotiate after everything has been given over to the CONS....
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:38 AM
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1. Reid isn't a bluedog.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:54 AM
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14. try as you might, you'll never make some of these people
understand what a blue dog democrat is, and particularly, what HOUSE of the legislature they operate in.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:02 AM
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:39 AM
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2. why what? what exactly did he do?
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:44 AM
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5. He is weak...
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:53 AM
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9. I agree he is weak but I don't think he's a Blue Dog. We need a more forceful leader
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:54 AM
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13. Blue dog or not..
HE IS WEAK!!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:56 AM
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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:00 AM
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18. He's owned by the mining and energy interests.
Dig up a big article from Mother Jones last year, if you're interested in the truth.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:29 AM
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28. see post #29
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:00 AM
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19. He should have been replaced..
along time ago. Weak bastard!Why do you care so much are you one of these dear Democratic leaders???
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:08 AM
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25. Ok...
HARRY REID isn't a bluedog..He is weak and ineffective as a leader. It is time for his WEAK ASS TO GO!!!
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 09:55 PM
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40. Agreed with this...

The full list of policy riders in HR1 includes: (from http://www.ombwatch.org/files/budget/OMB_Watch-HR1_Poli ... ):

Policy Riders in H.R. 1

Sec. 1284 - Prohibits funding for fresh fruits and vegetables in the school lunch program. under section 19 of the Richard B. Russell National School Lunch Act.

Sec. 4013 - Prohibits funds to the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc., or any of its affiliates.

Sec. 1112 - Prohibits transferring detainees from Guantanamo Bay.
Sec. 2237 - Prohibits HUD funding for rental assistance to the elderly.
Sec. 4006 - Blocks the FCC from implementing Net Neutrality.

Sec. 1802 - Prohibits funding new Job Corp centers.
Sec. 4017 - Strips funding for any provision of the health care reform law.
Sec. 4030 - Prohibits BATF from collecting information on multiple rifle/shotgun sales to the same person.

Sec. 1590 - Prohibits DC from using its own, non-federal funds, for abortion services.
Sec. 4046 - Prohibits finding for a govt-sponsored consumer product complaints database
Sec. 1746 - Prohibits funding for EPA efforts to regulate greenhouse gases

Sec. 4027 - Prohibits funds to carry out medical loss ratio restrictions in the health care reform law. (These provisions require insurers to spend at least a certain percent of their premium revenues on medical care.)

Sec. 4009 - Prohibits funds to pay the salaries and expenses of the following Presidential czars: Obama Care Czar, Climate Change Czar, Global Warming Czar, Green Jobs Czar, Car Czar, Guantanamo Bay Closure Czar, Pay Czar and Fairness Doctrine Czar.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:41 AM
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3. I don't believe Reid gives anything to the THUGS without Obama's approval...since Obama is the
President.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:53 AM
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10. They write the laws
Make the deals,and say we can only get so many votes while they already have made some back room deals like they did during the healthcare debate. Then they run to the media and say Obama needs to do this or that knowing that the CONS aren't going to do anything he wants because most are racist and working for big business and corporations,they make the deals like they have all along then throw it onto the President and all of the blame.

All of the President's choices are bad ones he has to choose from and his own so called Democrats who don't do anything to help the matter because many of them and their families are really working for the corporations and big businesses... This bullshit about him raising the deficits are just that BULLSHIT! of course the deficits will rise when the President puts all of Bush's wars on the books!!!
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:41 AM
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30. WRONG!! Obama doesn't control Congress!!!
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:51 PM
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36. Some seem to want..
the President to make a speech so they can spend another week analyzing it..
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:43 AM
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4. He's pliable,
follows orders well and never asks any questions. He's the corporations' dream Speaker.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:48 AM
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7. Pure bullshit. Laughably so.
I think you're mistaking Reid for Boner.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:58 AM
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16. Keep on laughing..
that is why the country is headed in the wrong direction,because of weak,scary ass,people who are suppose to be working for us who are afraid to take it to these INSANE MFKERS!!!

It won't be long now. I say don't give in SHUT IT DOWN!!! These polls are full of it. SHUT IT DOWN and lets see who gets the blame...
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:59 AM
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17. Other than the tan,
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 10:12 AM by Le Taz Hot
it is sometimes difficult to tell them apart.

Edit for gooder grammar.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:05 AM
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23. Derp.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:05 PM
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33. One and the same...
as far as I am concerned...
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:46 AM
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6. Well, he is soft-spoken, but during this budget battle, he's said that Dems have gone as far as they
can. So let's see if he stands by that statement made this morning or if the WH causes him to reverse himself.

I really do think, at this point, he's willing to stand firm and not give in further to the teabagger's demands. He got his taste of batshitcrazy! with Sharrrrrron Angle and I think he understands you can't compromise with that.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:48 AM
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8. Huh? n/t
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lilyin Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:53 AM
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11. Nothing
will EVER convince me that he was a boxer. He's too timid and NOBODY with that voice can be taken seriously, in the ring or in the Senate.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:03 AM
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21. Whether you believe it or not it is true
I read a biological article in the New Yorker last year that told of the genuinely tough life he had as a kid. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/10/25/101025fa_... You might want to read it. He not only was a boxer, but he made it out of a childhood that Dickens could have written of.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:55 PM
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37. Where did it go? Was it clipped off?
We really need to bash these bullies back. We begin negotiations from the middle and express willingness to be weak from the gate.

Almost seems like we intend to end at a RW goal FOR them.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:54 AM
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12. Sen. Harry Reid rejects continuing resolution proposal
Sen. Harry Reid rejects continuing resolution proposal

Nevada U.S. Senator Harry Reid rejected a proposed continuing resolution late Wednesday, a few hours before he is slated to meet with Speaker John Boehner at the White House.

Instead of solving the crisis the way we should, instead of saying yes .. what theyre going to do is pass what theyll call another short-term stop-gap measure, Mr. Reid said. Instead of solving problems, theyre stalling. Theyre procrastinating. Thats not just bad policy, its a fantasy.

The announcement comes as negotiations between House Democrats and Republicans remained stalled. Mr. Boehner had floated a proposed continuing resolution late Monday after House Tea Party members refused to agree to $33 billion in spending cuts.

http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/sen-harry-reid-r... /
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:11 AM
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26. It would not have..
gone this fare on this or other issues if he wasn't so damn weak!!!
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:05 AM
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24. Reid isn't a Bluedog.
Fail
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:27 AM
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27. Reid was selected by the DLC because he is a corporate tool.
Many progressives were absolutely horrified when we heard the DLC had selected Reid to be SML. If you want to know why Harry always snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, and why it always it always seems like Harry bends over to make deals with republicans, it is not because he is incompetent. Ever wondered why Harry always manages to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory at the last moment? It is because that is his job--to further corporate interests while convincing us that it is raining while he pisses down our backs. He is a master of politics. Too bad he is not really on our side.

Harry Reid, Gold Member
Is our Senate leader in bed with America's worst polluter?

The Silver State owes its holdout status in part to Senate majority leader Harry Reid, who went from a hardscrabble childhood in a gold town to becoming one of the mining industry's most reliable allies in Congress. Reid has been instrumental in blocking efforts to reform the archaic General Mining Law of 1872, a legal blank check that's allowed miners to take an estimated $408 billion worth of gold and other hard rock minerals from public lands without paying a single cent in federal royaltiesever. When those mines are tapped out or go bustas they inescapably dotaxpayers are often stuck with the cleanup bill, estimated at more than $30 billion nationwide. But Reid, who owns a handful of defunct gold mines and whose sons and son-in-law have ties to mining companies, has vigorously fought off efforts to make the industry pay its way.

This makes for good politics back home. Even in Elko County, where Barack Obama got just 28 percent of the vote despite making three campaign stops here (what a former Reid staffer considers "an absurd number of times to go to Elko") and declaring himself an "honorary Elkonian," Reid is forgiven for being a Democrat. "He has been our biggest proponent," said the miner at Goldie's.

Yet Reid's loyalty to mining has increasingly put him at odds with other Democrats, who have sought to end more than a century of giveaways to the nation's dirtiest industry. It's also been a curious contrast with his own record as an environmentalist and a champion of Nevada's growing urban population. As congressional Democrats once again prepare to drag the mining industry into the 21st century, Reid may be headed for the final showdown between the two seemingly incompatible sides of his political identity.

http://motherjones.com/environment/2009/02/harry-reid-g...

Specifically, Harry Reid has presided over one of the biggest corporate welfare heists in this country's history -- it turns out that the mining industry has stolen $400+ billion of taxpayer dollars without ever having to pay for restoring federal lands that they had gutted after they were done mining the lands. And in a blatant conflict of interest, it turns out that Harry Reid owns several such defunct mining companies and his sons have financial interests in several others. In other words, Harry Reid is not working for the common good. He is in it for the benefit of himself.

Coal, oil, and gas companies, as the article notes, have to kick back anywhere from 8 to 17% of their revenues back to the government annually. But thanks to Harry Reid and his cronies, the mining industry doesn't have to kick back any. And then, people wonder why so many people are calling on the government to forgive all college student loans. If we could pass a law requiring mining companies to pay their fair share like the other industries, then we would have money to forgive student loans and then set up scholarship funds for where the need is greatest.
snip--

But Reid's ties to mining run deeper than his sentimental connection to his rough-and-tumble origins. His sons Rory and Leif work for law firms that represent mining companies. Since 1999, his son-in-law, Steven Barringer, has earned as much as $3.7 million lobbying for mining interests including Barrick Gold, though he does not lobby Reid directly. Reid's natural resources staffer, Neil Kornze, is the son of a geologist who discovered Barrick's Betze deposit outside Elko. Since 1994, mining interests have donated more than $269,000 to Reid, including at least $82,000 from Barrick and its employees. Any suggestion, however, that these links have swayed Reid is "an attempt to draw a conclusion that would be inaccurate," says his spokesman Jon Summers. (Reid declined to be interviewed for this article.) Yeah, sure... -- EH

Reid's relationship with the mining industry is a fiercely guarded piece of political capital. Though Reid has a solid base in expanding urban areas such as Las Vegas and Reno, he has had to fight for votes in conservative rural areas. Part of the problem is his environmental record: Reid has opposed road building in national forests and supported setting aside 5.6 million acres in southern Nevada to protect the threatened desert tortoise. His 1998 reelection bid was opposed by the anti-environmentalist Wise Use movement; he won by just 428 votes. In 2001, when Bush moved to quash mining regulations put in place by the Clinton administration, Reid saw an opportunity to mend fences back home. "President Bush can't be wrong all the time," he said. In 2003, prominent Nevada Republicans endorsed his reelection bid, and he won by a comfortable margin.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/03/01/703409/-Harry-...
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:40 AM
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29. ..and after the Democrats fuck it up, Obama tries to clean up the mess and is blamed anyway!
The Democrats should have passed a budget last year. Period! Harry Reid's cowardice is what got us into this mess.

So, the president introduced his budget earlier this year. The Republicans came back with theirs. The Democrats? All they've done thus far is cave. Now, Obama is trying to clean up what the congressional Democrats failed to do. And look, he'll still be blamed.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:00 AM
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31. Since day one...
then they all run on tv and tell the public what Obama needs to do,after they have been behind doors giving in to the CONS..
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:06 AM
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32. Harry Reid has done a lot of nearly heroic shit that he'll never, ever get credit for...
...simply because he isn't loud about it.

Aside from that, this budget problem isn't Harry Reid's fault. Its America's fault. We collectively gave Republicans the house in 2010 and many of them that got elected are just nuts, too many of them for our own good, thats for sure. If Democrats still had a majority, even one full of the bluest doggiest bluedogs you can imagine, we wouldn't be anywhere close to having this kind of problem getting a semi-reasonable budget passed.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:07 PM
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34. Well, then why doesn't one of those strong liberals in the Senate ever challenge him for majority
leader? They all vote for Harry.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 01:14 PM
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35. Because we don't have but a few..
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 01:15 PM by butterfly77
the rest are working for and with the republiCONS..Couldn't u tell during the healthcare debate they were coming out everyday.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:04 PM
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38. ....
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 08:32 PM
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39. Weak ass Democrats...
apologizing and stammering Sanchez (D) on Slannity hemming and hawing and making apologies for the statements that representative eleanor holmes norton made during a interview where she told republicons to go hell...
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