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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 11:52 PM
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Looks like I have a more conservative position than our local rightwing radio nut
Tonight she said the government must protect marriage as a heterosexual institution.


Sorry, but my marriage is a sacrament of my religion and the government has nothing to do with it.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 11:56 PM
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1. What justification does she have for demanding that from Government?
I don't see it in the constitution.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 11:58 PM
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2. I once joined a Republican forum and made them argue for big government.
It is really easy to do because Republicans actually love big government, they just hate the poor.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:44 AM
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21. Republicans actually love big government ...
true ... remember those Tea Party members who were cashing their "big gov't" farm subsidy checks?
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:00 AM
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3. !


Enjoy the show, everybody!
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:07 AM
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4. Your position is TRULY conservative; hers is radical.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:08 AM
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5. So, you admit to being a religious extremist.
Explains a lot.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:17 AM
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8. Could you elaborate?
Lots of couples (heterosexuals and homosexuals) take their marriage vows seriously and I find nothing alarming about that. If you're defining the idea of sanctity of marriage as religious extremism, I'm quite curious to know how you make this jump.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:23 AM
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11. It's a contract dressed up in religious rags.
But it's still a legal contract between two adults.

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:34 AM
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18. OK...I can buy that, but how does that make one a religious extremist?
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:21 AM
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9. Participating in the sacraments of my religion is extreme?
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:24 AM
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12. I'm gonna say yes.
Does God appreciate you more than other people because you participated in a ritual? Is God that shallow?
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:25 AM
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13. I made no statement as to what God does or doesn't appreciate

I guess you can argue with yourself on that.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:27 AM
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14. What is a "sacrament"? Is it not a ritual?
Does God require rituals to spread his love-juice all over the world?
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:28 AM
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15. I made no statement about what God appreciates. Feel free to debate that with yourself

it's something you brought up not me.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:29 AM
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16. I don't religion with you.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:30 AM
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17. Ok
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:09 AM
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6. I know Newt Gingrinch is a threat to the institution of marriage, but
do we really need a government solution to this problem?
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:14 AM
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7. The benefits of marriage come from the government;
It's not a religious institution. However, that said, government is supposed to be impartial; the constitution makes that quite clear. Given that, the idea of making marriage an exclusive club is completely ridiculous!
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:23 AM
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10. Exactly! Maddow has been nailing this lately.
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 12:29 AM by napoleon_in_rags
(And yes I said Maddow, MADDOW MADDOW MADDOW for you elite Republicans obsessed with intercepting all communications about her)

The bottom line is that about 50% of the Republican base would agree with you, government shouldn't define the parameters of acceptable marriage, its between an individual and their church and their God, government should stick to their own business. However a small minority of "Republicans" can't resist the lucrative abuse of government power the moment they have it, and proceed to use it to stuff the pockets of corporations and put secret cameras in people's bedrooms to monitor their sexuality. Unfortunately, this small minority seems to hold power in Washington, even though they don't represent the will of the people. But they are imposters: their proper name is "corporatists", and they don't represent the will of real civil libertarians who consider themselves Republican, they represent the will of a cabal of corporations who appear to yearn to form a totalitarian shadow state allowed to do all the things the constitution forbids so long as its executed by the "private sector".

But the good news is that the people of the United States don't appear to be buying it anymore. As the old right vs left paradigms break down under the scrutiny of public observation, a new resistance is being formed, not "right" or "left" but by the people and for the people. And due to MLK's accurate observation: "The arc of history is long but it bends toward justice", the best advice I can give right now may be this:



Let's come together and make a world that's about something more than profit for corporations who can afford to buy government influence.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:39 AM
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19. Well said!
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 12:39 AM by Old and In the Way
:toast: The backlash from over-reach is gonna be something to behold.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:22 AM
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20. "Quid est imperatori cum ecclesia?"
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 03:23 AM by Adsos Letter
What has the emperor to do with the church?
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