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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 07:38 PM
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Before Japan...nuclear? only far away. Now? I want a worldwide ban on nuclear power.
And you know what? Solar, wind, waves, methane from sewer treatment, etc. etc. have the potential to replace nuclear but with none of potential for such utter and total harm. No power company has the right to cause such widespread devastation in the search for profits.

Yes, it will be expensive but the creation of all those alternative power sources will create massive jobs. Countries like Egypt and Libya could use their deserts to create massive amounts of power. California, Nevada, Arizona, Texas could become the generators of America. The south, which will be hard-hit from the aftermath of the oil spill for a generation or two, could become the workers who build the equipment. The auto industry needs to do their part and build the cars for the future. Clean power means nothing but jobs jobs jobs. Carriagemakers became car makers, car makers became rocket makers, America will JUMP at the chance to be the builders of a safer cleaner planet.

THere is a beautiful future without nuclear and the dirty energies.

The cost of collecting a ray of sun is NOTHING compared to the cost of digging a coal mine, an atomic plant, drilling for oil and shipping it all over the planet in flimsy boats.

There is a cleaner future and it starts with the death of nuclear energy. I am sorry Japan for the price you paid to teach the whole world this lesson but I hope we will learn from it and make nuclear energy a thing of the past.

Write your governor today. Write the President today. Start a ballot measure in your state if you have to (like we did in Oregon...it was EASY...you just gotta get some signatures...the people WANT nuclear power out of their backyard and will vote to get rid of it).

If we force this change that will be one HUGE worry off of our shoulders AND it will break our need for oil at the same time.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 07:45 PM
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1. I want a worldwide ban on nuclear power.
Seconded.

K&R
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 08:28 PM
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4. Thirded.
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 07:47 PM
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2. I am totally with you!
The world has to take a lesson from this disaster, or it will be for nothing, and will happen again.

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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 08:13 PM
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3. As the plants age they only get scarier...
The old plants have to be closed.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 08:29 PM
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5. When my spouse and I built our first house many years
ago, President Carter provided tax incentives enough so that we could use that long ago technology for solar panels on that house. That dried up, and middle class families have a hard time even trying now.

I'd love geothermal here, and solar panels, but we can't afford it. I'm furious that I've been paying much more on my power bill for 'green tach' that TVA was supposed to develop, but they have $2.5 billion to get the second reactor at Watts Bar under construction. :mad:

I live very close, as the radiation flies, to TVA's Sequoyah 1 and 2 reactors (4 miles) and we couldn't stop those from being built years ago. For years I've told my neighbors when I had mutated plants come up, 'those must be Sequoyah plants' and they didn't like that one bit. I'd prefer that Sequoyah be mothballed with a massive solar panel array erected all around, but I don't see it happening.

The President and Sec. Chu and Immelt like nuclear power so the fight will be even harder.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:00 PM
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9. japan might even put the fear into The President and Sec. Chu.
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 11:14 PM
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10. I kind of doubt that
I saw a newscast in Japan a few days ago that showed Obama pledging his support for nuclear power despite the on-going problems at Fukushima.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:11 PM
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6. Making nuclear a thing of the past
would be the best way to honor "the price" the Japanese will pay. It could easily have happened here or in Europe somewhere. Still could.

Email or call the governor, congress, the prez--absolutely!
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:30 PM
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8. Thanks to the anti-nukers...
we have not replaced our aging reactors with newer and safer ones.

Japan has a unique problem. They are a small country that has little or no oil of it's own. They are also an industrial giant--we helped build them into that. They presently have a non-stop neverending train of supertankers that stretches from the middle east to Japan carrying oil to keep their lights on and their industry humming. They still needed more power to protect their industry and jobs--hence a major reliance on nukes.

We have sent many of our industrial jobs offshore to countries who now need nuke power to run the factories we sent them...and they are not as careful as many other nations. Here in the US we obviously prefer to be poisoned by the coal-burning plants and the toxins they produce and let fly in the wind.

Dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. In the interim, would be better to build enough new and safer nuke plants instead of coal. Thorium reactors show great promise and avoid some of the problems now facing us in Japan.

Solar? Callers to a nighttime KGO radio show recently made the point that some were independent of the power grid due to their solar installation. They also had spent between $30K and $40K on that installation. People without jobs cannot convert.

Sort of a Hobson's Choice.

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:24 AM
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11. We do have a choice--to leave it forever
You could choose to start thinking outside the box, sir. (Keith O tone implied)

"A Hobson's choice is a free choice in which only one option is offered. As a person may refuse to take that option, the choice is therefore between taking the option or not: "take it or leave it". (Wiki)
This is our "ONLY choice," sez you.

WHY should anyone take "a Hobson's choice?" So we should have nukes shoved further down our throats?

If the choice is between "take it or leave it"--

LET'S LEAVE IT!!! :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:


NUCLEAR POWER HAS JUMPED THE SHARK

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Wiki sez: Hobson's choice is different from:

* Dilemma: a choice between two or more options, none of which are attractive.
* False dilemma: only two choices are considered, when in fact there are others
* Catch-22: a logical paradox arising from a situation in which an individual needs something that can only be acquired by not being in that very situation
* Morton's fork, and a double bind: choices yield equivalent, often undesirable, results.
* Blackmail and extortion: the choice between paying money (or some non-monetary good or deed) and suffering an unpleasant action, (like nuclear damage for generations)
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:25 PM
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7. Greed, stupidity and ignorance will not allow your wish to become
a reality. nt
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:01 AM
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12. k & r
not unrealistic to imagine at all.
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