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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 06:51 PM
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Libyan Revolution Day 49
Links to sites with updates: AJE Live Blog April 7 (today) AJE Twitter Dashboard The Guardian Reuters feb17.info Libya Alhurra (live video webcast from Benghazi) libyafeb17.com

Twitter links: Ayman Mohyeldin, with AJE Ben Wedeman, with CNN tripolitanian, a Libyan from Tripoli Brian Conley, reporter in Libya FreeLibyanYouth, Libyan advocate LibyaFeb17.com twitter account ChangeInLibya, Libyan advocate

Useful links: feb17voices Current time in Libya Prayer times in Libya

Day 48 here.

Marching On in Libya, for the revolutionaries!


Rebel fighters resting along the road between Ajdabiya and Brega as Gaddafi forces pushed rebels back

Photograph: Reuters


Gaddafi supporters demolish Zawiya rebel mosque
A mosque that became a focal point of the anti-Gaddafi rebellion during fierce fighting in the western town of Zawiya has been razed by city authorities loyal to the Libyan leader.

Rubble from the demolition of the mosque, which was badly damaged during battles that raged for more than a week, has been cleared, leaving a vast expanse of bare earth in central Zawiya.

Evidence of fighting remains in the shelled and bullet-pocked buildings lining the central square, their windows blown out and gaping holes in their walls.


Gaddafi forces using civilians as human shields, says France
Muammar Gaddafi's forces are using civilians as human shields to foil Nato air strikes, France said after rebels accused the western-led coalition of standing by while government troops continue their assault on Misrata.

The French foreign minister, Alain Jupp, conceded that the position of rebel-held city under daily shelling and sniper fire from the army was intolerable but said there was little more which could be done immediately.

"We've formally requested that there be no collateral damage for the civilian population," he told France Info radio. "That obviously makes operations more difficult."


Gaddafi begs Obama to halt 'unjust war'
Muammar Gaddafi has appealed directly to Barack Obama to halt what the Libyan leader called "an unjust war".

In a rambling three-page letter obtained by the Associated Press, Gaddafi implored Obama to stop the Nato-led air campaign, which he called an "unjust war against a small people of a developing country", and wished the president luck in next year's election.

"You are a man who has enough courage to annul a wrong and mistaken action," Gaddafi wrote in the letter, which was sent to the US state department and forwarded to the White House. "I am sure that you are able to shoulder the responsibility for that."


Libya rebels 'pressured into Lockerbie apology'
Libya's rebel administration has said that it signed an apology for the Gaddafi regime's role in IRA attacks and the Lockerbie bombing under pressure from the British government, and that the document is the result of "misunderstanding".

After initially denying that the document existed, the revolutionaries' governing council acknowledged that its chairman, Mustafa Abdul Jalil, had indeed signed an apology on behalf of the Libyan people for Gaddafi's provision of semtex used in IRA bombings and for the blowing up of the Pan Am flight in 1988. It also promised compensation.

Amid division and confusion over the declaration, which some blamed on a translation mix-up, council officials said that the issue of the Libyan government's responsibility for attacks in the UK came up only because it was pressed on the revolutionary administration by the British.



Click here for updated map


Video of the convoy sent to take Benghazi, taken from a dead soliders cell phone (shows how massive the operation was): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWwOeZqz6M

Sky News went with Gaddafi minders to find a "civilian town bombed" only they were never shown any such thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5KJavfiQo

TNC presser talking about various details of the revolution (thanks to Waiting for Everyone): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Topic on the women of the revolution, dispels myths that they are treated poorly: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Videos to bring the Libyan Revolution into context:

The Battle of Benghazi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vChMDuNd0

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaPnMnpCAA

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzwQvcx62s

Tea of Freedom Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5tu5bJWKc

Latest indiscriminate shelling in Misurata: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wop3C4zrPXI

Text of the resolution.

How will a no fly zone work? AJE reports: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWEwehTtK2k

Canada: Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission Norway: Norway to join military intervention in Libya Belgium: Belgium ready for a military operation in Libya Qatar and the UAE: Run-up for Western worlds next military commitment ... with unusual support Denmark: Denmark ready for action against Gaddafi France: Following U.N. Vote, France Vows Libya Action Soon Italy: Italy to make bases available for Libya no-fly zone-source United Kingdom: Libya: UK forces prepare after UN no-fly zone vote United States: Nations draw up plans for no-fly zone over Libya Jordan: Military strikes on Libya 'within hours' Spain: Spain Expected to Join NATO No-fly Zone Enforcement over Libya

"One month ago (Western countries) were sooo nice, so nice like pussycats," Saif says in a contemptuous sing-song tone."Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers. (But) soon they will come back, and cut oil deals, contracts. We know this game." - Saif Gaddafi


(Yeah, Saif, as if you weren't "cutting oil deals, contracts" with western states. Who are the 'tigers' now? Bombing your own people.)

A Legal War: The United Nations Participation Act and Libya
The above link is to an overview of why Obama's implementation of the NFZ and R2P is perfectly legal under the law. I will not post it entirely here, however, all objections come down to the misinformed position that Obama, by using forces in Libya, was invoking Article 43 of the United Nations. This is wrong. Obama invoked Article 42, which does not require congressional approval to implement. Proof of this is that Article 43 has never been used.

It goes like this: The US law (Title 22, Chap. 7, Subchap. XIV 287d) grants the President the right to invoke UN Article 42 without authorization, the War Powers Act (Title 50, Chap. 33 1541) grants the President permission to act without authorization under "specific statutory authorization" which, by definition, is what 287d does. 1543 of the War Powers Act requires the President to report to Congress, which he did. One can argue all day and night about the legality of the War Powers Act, doesn't change the fact that under the law as it is written, the President acted within the law.


March 10 7:28pm Saif al Islam Gaddafi says "the time has come for full-scale military action" against Libyan rebels. He goes on to say that Libyan forces loyal to his family "will never surrender, even if western powers intervene".


Libyan Karzai? Chalabi? Forget it
Fortunately, the Council wasn't made-in-the-USA or manufactured by another foreign power. Rather it came into existence, a month ago, at Libyans' own initiative, soon after the winds of revolutionary change blew Libya's way, and after its people rose to the occasion with pride and courage.


Getting Libya's Rebels Wrong
Don't buy Qaddafi's line: The rebels aren't al Qaeda.


Who Are the Rebels?
During weeks of reporting in Benghazi and along the chaotic, shifting front line, Ive spent a great deal of time with these volunteers. The hard core of the fighters has been the shababthe young people whose protests in mid-February sparked the uprising. They range from street toughs to university students (many in computer science, engineering, or medicine), and have been joined by unemployed hipsters and middle-aged mechanics, merchants, and storekeepers. There is a contingent of workers for foreign companies: oil and maritime engineers, construction supervisors, translators. There are former soldiers, their gunstocks painted red, green, and blackthe suddenly ubiquitous colors of the pre-Qaddafi Libyan flag.


A vision of a democratic Libya
The interim national council, formed by opposition groups in Libya, has said it will hold free and fair elections and draft a national constitution. Here is its eight-point plan in full.



Mohammed Nabbous, killed by Gaddafi's forces while trying to report on the massacre in Benghazi

"I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid to lose the battle" -Mohammed Nabbous, a month ago when all this began


I'm struggling to come up with something to say about this man. I was not aware of the Libyan uprising until I saw Mo's first report, begging for help, posted here on DU. I was stricken. Here was a man giving everything he had to explain a situation that clearly terrified him, I would not call him a coward in that moment, but you could see the fear in his eyes, and desperation in his voice. For 30 days Nabbous would spend many hours covering the uprising in Benghazi. For many nights I would go to sleep with the webcast of Benghazi live on my computer screen, looking to it occasionally to be sure it was still 'there.' Mo treated the chat room as if we were his friends, and in some way, we were. I never signed up to LiveStream to thank him for all his work and it seems somewhat shallow to do so now, given that I was a lurker for so long. Ever since I took over posting these threads "Libya Alhurra" has been linked as a source of information. It wasn't until last night, when I posted, and twitter posted on Mo's adventures out into Benghazi to try to determine the truth of the situation, that Mo's webchannel became a hit, over 2000 people were watching him stream live. This was curious to him because he'd done many reports like this in the past but he appeared somewhat bemused that the view count exploded as it did. Last night Mo became a star. This is a man who first started out with a webcast replete with fear and desperation finally overcoming that aspect of himself and losing that fear, to become someone who was a fighter for the resistance just as much as those who held the guns. Reporting on the front lines of Benghazi became his final act, and for that he should never, ever be forgotten. I'm so sorry Mo that I never got to know you better.

Mo's first report, which many of you may remember, begging for help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EXALI60hg

Mo's last report, a fallen hero trying to spread the word to the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecu_iWLn-rg

Mo leaves behind a wife who is with child, she had this to say about the No Fly Zone and R2P UN resolution:

We started this in a pure way, but he turned it bloody. Thousands of our men, women, and children have died. We just wanted our freedom, that's all we wanted, we didn't want power. Before, we could not do a single thing if it was not the way he wanted it. All we wanted was freedom. All we wanted was to be free. We have paid with our blood, with our families, with our men, and we're not going to give up. We are still going to do that no matter what it takes, but we need help. We want to do this ourselves, but we don't have the weapons, the technology, the things we need. I don't want anyone to say that Libya got liberated by anybody else. If NATO didn't start moving when they did, I assure you, I assure you, half of Benghazi if not more would have been killed. If they stop helping us, we are going to be all killed because he has no mercy anymore.


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 06:52 PM
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1. Current time in Libya, 1:52am Thursday, April 7
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 07:21 PM
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2. MISRATA update
Edited on Wed Apr-06-11 07:23 PM by al bupp
Twitter: @ChangeInLibya

MISRATA update: This comes after news that they managed to destroy a couple of tanks and kill dozens of mercenaries earlier today #libya

about 2 hours ago via web
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 07:27 PM
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3. MISRATA update
From Twitter: @ChangeInLibya

MISRATA update: Revolutionaries managed to attack the Alfateh Academy, defeat G militias there and take all their ammo & weapons #libya

about 2 hours ago via web
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 08:01 PM
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4. Libyan rebels should receive training funded by Arab countries, says Britain
Libyan rebels should receive training funded by Arab countries, says Britain
Britain is to urge Arab countries to train the disorganised Libyan rebels, and so strengthen their position on the battlefield before negotiations on a ceasefire, senior British defence sources have indicated.

The sources said they were also looking at hiring private security companies, some of which draw on former SAS members, to aid the rebels. These private soldiers could be paid by Arab countries to train the unstructured rebel army.

In what is seen in effect as the second phase of the battle to oust Muammar Gaddafi, it is now being acknowledged that the disorganised Libyan rebels are not going to make headway on their own. Nato member countries are looking at requesting Arab countries, such as Qatar or the United Arab Emirates, to train the rebels, or to fund the training. Qatar and the UAE are already involved in the Nato-led no-fly zone.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 08:09 PM
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5. Top Libyans said to be very scared
Top Libyans said to be very scared
He claimed that local people had been fired on as they attempted to rush to safety, and that regime soldiers had wildly discharged their weapons inside the city.

I think the regime is just going mad, Shatwan said. Col. Gadhafi has changed. No one would kill people in the streets in this way.

Shatwan said his own home was struck four times during shelling by Gadhafis forces. He said he believed at least one attack had involved cluster munitions. I counted the holes myself there were 250 holes in the walls of my house. There were so many holes because of the types of weapons theyre using, he said.

He estimated at least 1,500 people are dead or wounded in Misrata, but said it is almost impossible to know the precise death toll
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 08:25 PM
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6. LIBYA HURRA -- !!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 08:25 PM
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7. Over 20,000 people kidnapped in Libya are being held in inhuman conditions
Over 20,000 people kidnapped in Libya are being held in inhuman conditions (PDF)
Over 20,000 people have been kidnapped or arrested by Gaddafis security forces in Tripoli and the surrounding cities over the past 5 weeks. Many of these had been taken from their homes, their places of work or from the streets and comprise mainly of young men, although it is believed that a small proportion are also women. It is understood that some of the detainees have been accused by the Gaddafi regime of being activists involved mainly in contacting foreign media outlets and sending video footages. Others have merely been accused of participating in pro-democracy demonstrations or involved in anti-regime activities via social media tools such as Facebook.

According to prison guard sources within Tripoli, detainees have been crammed into Abu Saleem prison, Ein Zara Prison, the Police Academy, the former Tobacco factory in Tripoli and other various military camps across the city. The conditions under which they are being held are believed to be extremely harsh, inhumane and degrading. Prisoners are denied basic sanitary facilities, including showers and have been refused medical assistance even for the most critical of cases. Detainees have not been given any change of clothing and are forced to sleep on cold and uneven concrete floors. Food and water is rationed to half a loaf of bread and a bottle of water per prisoner every 24 hours.

This is in addition to reports of the brutal torture, humiliation and interrogation of many of the detainees. Reports also indicate that the bodies of prisoners who had died in captivity have not been handed over to their families. It is unknown where these bodies were taken.

These conditions are in clear gross violation of international humanitarian laws and we urgently call on the United Nations Human Rights Council and other global Human Rights organizations to send delegations to inspect the situation of these prisoners and to put pressure on the Gaddafi regime to release them immediately.

The National Transitional Council
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 08:29 PM
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8. 'British' planes bomb Libyan oilfield
'British' planes bomb Libyan oilfield
British warplanes hit a major Libyan oilfield on Wednesday, killing three civilian guards and injuring an unknown number of other workers, according to the Libyan government.

"British warplanes have attacked, have carried out an air strike against the Sarir oilfield which killed three oilfield guards, and other employees at the field were also injured," Khaled Kalim, the regime's deputy foreign minister, told reporters in Tripoli. A pipeline connecting the oilfield to the Mediterranean port of Hariga was also damaged, he added.

"There is no doubt that this aggression ... is against international law and is not covered by the UN resolution," he said.

The Sarir oilfield, in the Sirte region, is a major source of Libya's oil, containing around 80% of the country's reserves.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 01:38 AM
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24. Hours after opposition reports damage from Gaddafi shelling, regime blames British jets
The British Defence Ministry said it is investigating and has not yet issued a statement.

The Telegraph provides more info from the opposition:



Libya: rebels halt oil production


Libyan rebels have halted production at two oilfields and diverted badly-needed troops from their front line to guard them after two days of attacks by loyalist forces.



By Ben Farmer, Benghazi11:57PM BST 06 Apr 2011


Col Muammar Gaddafi's artillery struck fields in Misla on Tuesday and Waha on Wednesday, according to a spokesman who said engineers were now assessing the damage.


The raids are a blow to the Libyan rebellion which hopes to fund its seven-week-old insurrection by resuming lucrative exports from eastern oilfields under its control.


The two fields are deep in the desert south of Ajdabiya and thought to be only lightly guarded, as rebel leaders have concentrated their best forces along the coastal front line.


Hafiz Ghoga, a rebel spokesman, said: "These oilfields are the ones that pump oil to Tobruk. They stopped pumping today." He added: "We are now providing more protection. We have even moved people from the front (to the fields)."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindi...




A Sky News correspondent found the claims made by the regime's propaganda organ dubious:




There was no immediate official comment on the allegations from the Ministry of Defence.

Sky reporter Alistair Bunkall said: "You have got to wonder why British airplanes would come in from their bases in Italy and destroy and oil field. It would mark a change in tactics.

"Equally you have the question of how the Libyan government know they were British airplanes, simply because they would be releasing their missiles from some distance.

"They do have different wing shapes from the French and other coalition aircraft but unless you have an eyewitness account it is very difficult to verify."


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Article/201104115967763







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:02 AM
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34. Arabian Gulf Oil Company official: Gaddafi forces, not British airstrike attacked Sarir oilfield



Abdeljalil Mayuf, of the Arabian Gulf Oil Company (AGOCO), said forces loyal to Gaddafi attacked the al-Sarir oilfield, denying a Libyan government charge that it was hit by a British air strike.

11:24:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindi...





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:18 AM
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49. NATO says Libya, not Britain, behind oil attack


NATO says Libya, not Britain, behind oil attack


HADEEL AL-SHALCHI and TAREK EL-TABLAWY, Associated Press


Updated 09:00 a.m., Thursday, April 7, 2011


TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) NATO on Thursday dismissed Libyan claims that Britain had struck the North African country's largest oil field, blaming Moammar Gadhafi's forces for the attacks that halted production. The eastern Sarir and Messla fields came under fire just as the rebels had sold their first oil cargo in weeks.

...


NATO said it had been monitoring the Sarir oil fields over the past week and that attacks by pro-Gadhafi forces had resulted in a number of skirmishes and at least one fire at an oil facility.

"We are aware that pro-Gadhafi forces have attacked this area in recent days," said Canadian Lt. Gen. Charles Bouchard, who commands the allied operation. "To try and blame it on NATO shows how desperate this regime is."

Bouchard said in a statement released Thursday that alliance warplanes had not bombed the region because Gadhafi's forces were not threatening any civilian population center there.


Read more: http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/NATO-says-Libya-n...





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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 08:40 PM
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9. The US government has provided $47 million to organisations to meet humanitarian needs in Libya
2:16am The US government has provided $47 million to international and non-governmental organisations to meet humanitarian needs in Libya, according to the State Department. Though the US government, mostly via the United Nations, is able to monitor the humantarian situation in eastern Libya and along most of the borders, western Libya remains cut off by the Gaddafi regime.

Here's a breakdown, provided by the State Department, that shows where the money is going:



http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...

AJE really needs to learn how to use PNGs...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:29 AM
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26. Well good for us -- and Obama -- !!!
:applause:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 08:54 PM
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10. Eman al-Obeidy speaks with her mother (AC360)
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:01 PM
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11. .....
:cry: :cry: :cry:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:41 PM
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14. Human Rights Watch demands Gaddafi regime allow Eman al-Obeidi to leave Tripoli






Libya: Allow Eman al-Obeidy to Leave Tripoli


Woman who Alleged Rape Needs Protection, Access to Medical Care



April 6, 2011


(New York) - Libyan authorities should immediately allow Eman al-Obeidy, the woman who alleged that she was raped by Muammar Gaddafi's security forces, to leave Tripoli for her safety and to receive medical care, Human Rights Watch said today.

"Libyan authorities have further victimized al-Obeidy by refusing to let her leave Tripoli," said Nadya Khalife, the Middle East women's rights researcher at Human Rights Watch. "They should ensure that she can leave Tripoli at once to receive supportive medical and psychological care, following the trauma she experienced."

On April 4, 2011, in two phone interviews with CNN's Anderson Cooper, al-Obeidy confirmed that Libyan authorities had freed her after she was examined by a doctor. She told Cooper that the medical evidence supported her allegations that she had been raped and tortured. Al-Obeidy also told Cooper that men poured alcohol into her eyes and used rifles to sodomize her when she was detained at a checkpoint in Tripoli on March 26. She said that she had escaped when a woman who was detained with her untied her
hands and feet while the soldiers were asleep.

On April 3, in a phone interview with Qanat Libya al Ahrar, a recently established satellite channel based in Qatar, al-Obeidy said that she wished to return to her family in the eastern city of Tobruk because she had received death threats from Libyan authorities and feared for her life. Al-Obeidy said that she had tried to leave Tripoli on three occasions since she first told journalists about the rape on March 26, but was stopped by government forces. She said that she believed that if she left her home, officials from the police or army would stop her.

"It's very difficult for women in Libyan society to report that they have been raped because of the shame and fear they feel, and it has been even more difficult for al-Obeidy," Khalife said. "But she has courageously ignored all these barriers to tell her story to the world."

...


"Instead of treating rape as a crime, seriously investigating cases, and punishing perpetrators, the Libyan authorities have again tried to silence brave women like al-Obeidy," Khalife said.


http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/04/06/libya-allow-eman-...





Women hold a picture of Eman al-Obeidy during a protest in Benghazi on March 27, 2011. (Reuters)








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:24 PM
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12. Regime notified 29 journos they wd be deported; later reduced to 8
Reported by CNN's Nic Robertson on AC360.

Not clear who the 8 are, and no reason given. Regime is said to be unhappy with foreign press reports.





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:31 PM
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13. Former Rep. Curt Weldon has not met with Gaddafi
They were expected to meet in the evening, but that didn't happen.

CNN reports Weldon has been offered a meeting with the Libyan PM tomorow, not with Gaddafi.

Gaddafi likely is unhappy with Weldon's proposed solution, which was made public in an op-ed.





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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 09:53 PM
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15. The United Nations on Wednesday called for a cessation of hostilities around Misurata
2:05am The United Nations on Wednesday called for a cessation of hostilities around the Libyan city of Misurata to get help to the wounded and let people escape fighting between Muammar Gaddafi's forces and opposition rebels.

"The situation on the ground is critical for a large number of people who immediately need food, clean water and emergency medical assistance," said UN under secretary general for humanitarian affairs, Valerie Amos, who made the appeal.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 11:49 PM
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20. Situation 'dire' in Libyan city: UN




Situation 'dire' in Libyan city: UN


By WBRi IBNS Newswire on 07 April 2011


New York, Apr 7 (IBNS): The top United Nations relief official on Wednesday voiced serious concern about the dire humanitarian situation inside the north-western Libyan city of Misrata, where thousands of residents are short of food, water, medicines and other basic supplies after weeks of intense fighting.

Valerie Amos, Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator, called on parties to the fighting in Libya to cease fire so that aid workers can rush supplies to those in need.

We are very concerned about people trapped in Misrata, including migrant workers. Because of the heavy fighting, they are unable to leave the city for safer locations, she said in a statement issued by her office.

Now is a time when peoples ability to move is a life or death matter. We need a temporary cessation of hostilities in the area so that people can get themselves and their families out of harms way, if they choose to do so.

UN aid agencies have supplies at the ready, Amos stressed, and can quickly distribute them to civilians in need.


http://www.washingtonbanglaradio.com/content/42323011-s...







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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:31 AM
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27. More of these posts s/be getting cross-posted in GD -- IMO!!! :)
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 02:31 AM by defendandprotect
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:03 PM
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16. Get a load of that sign "E.U. We need no fly zone". Yeah, EU. How about that no fly zone?
Just let the americans do it, right?

The sign doesn't say USA, doesn't say UN, it says EU. The EU doesn't lift a finger, except for france.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:29 PM
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17. Get a load of some facts .........
Edited on Wed Apr-06-11 10:46 PM by tabatha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention...

Scroll down to Action by international forces.

I would say that the following are doing their bit (as a % of their size)
RAF
Royal Norwegian Air Force
Qatar
Italy
Canada
Jordan

and there are other countries providing fueling and bases --- as seen in the wiki article.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:50 AM
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44. Oh Whooptey doo. Humanitarin Aid.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 10:29 PM
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18. The United States has withdrawn most of its forces since yesterday.
I frankly hope the United States continues to withdraw and only serves logistics purposes (refueling and intelligence and stuff like that).
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:01 AM
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21. RAF Sentinel Patrol over Libya - No Fly Zone
Top secret reconnaissance aircraft, which are normally based at RAF Waddington in Lincolnshire, have been patrolling the skies over Libya as part of the No Fly Zone. They've been scouring the desert for signs of tanks, artillery and missile systems which may be used to attack the civilian population. The Sentinel R1 is equipped with powerful radar systems which can search over hundreds of square miles. BBC reporter Geoff Maskell is also an RAF Reservist. In that capacity he became the first journalist to join the crew from 5 Squadron on an operational sortie over Libya.

http://youtu.be/E_5Vr-D5uus
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:52 AM
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45. Sure do that after the US does the dirty work.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:20 AM
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37. Get a load of this one!
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:53 AM
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46. And?
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:47 AM
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56. Thanks for the kick.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:25 AM
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61. Here's another kick. Libyans would probably know how to spell the guy's name. nt
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:56 AM
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67. LOL Thanks again. How do you spell his name?
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 01:15 PM
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80. It is my understanding it would be spelled in english with a Q.
All the pro-war haters that replied, you're not getting a reply.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:15 PM
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107. Just about every news source I have read uses Gaddafi.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:28 PM
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124. msnBS? Fox? Cnn? They would spell it with a G.
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 05:29 PM by Shagbark Hickory
The international stations are using a Q.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:18 PM
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136. Al Jazeera spell his name thus: "Muammar Gaddafi"
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:14 PM
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147. That's how wiki spells it too, and it is the most common spelling I've found.
It's good to just standardize the spelling across news sources.

The sign in question likely got the "English spelling" from a similar means.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:31 PM
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151. Unless of course the sign was written by someone in Langley and sent over to Benghazi for them...
...to hold up.

Which seems to be the kind of scenario that was being purported by the person who didn't like it.

I've enjoyed the pwnage, though.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:06 PM
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68. You should check your own spelling. Leaves a lot to be desired.
(Turborama - :thumbsup:)
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:15 PM
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69. How do I spell thee? Let me count the ways...
...at spelldictator.com:

http://www.spelldictator.com /


:rofl:





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:19 PM
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70. LOL.
But I guess there is only one way to spell humanitarian.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:27 PM
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73. LOL, hilarious, good find. Looks like he used it to write his letter to Obama
"Our dear son, Excellency, Baraka Hussein Abu oumama"

AS per the letter he wrote to Obama
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 01:25 PM
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82. Credit Josh for finding it--I just pay it forward :)



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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 11:06 PM
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19. Modern warfare
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catchnrelease Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:21 AM
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22. Kick
:kick:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 01:00 AM
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23. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 8 AM THURSDAY, APRIL 7
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours





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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:15 PM
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88. LIBYA HURRA -- !!
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:22 AM
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25. What was lost when some of America's finest scholars got paid to buff the Libyan dictator's image?






Opening Remarks April 6, 2011, 11:01PM EST


The Professors and Qaddafi's Extreme Makeover


What was lost when some of America's finest scholars got paid to buff the Libyan dictator's image?



By Paul M. Barrett


In 2006 and 2007, a dozen Western intellectuals traveled to the North African desert for intimate conversations with the man who likes to call himself the Brother Leader. Muammar Qaddafi received his visitors in a carpeted Bedouin-style tent, where they sat on plastic chairs and sipped tea while discussing the dictator's thoughts on economics and politics.

The meetings were arranged by the Monitor Group, a Cambridge (Mass.) consulting firm co-founded in 1983 by Michael Porter, the Harvard Business School management expert. As Politico first reported on Feb. 21, the Qaddafi regime paid Monitor a fee of $3 million a year, plus expenses, to run what the firm called "a sustained, long-term program to enhance international understanding and appreciation of Libya." Monitor, which has 1,500 employees worldwide, organized roundtables and produced thick studies on stimulating business in the isolated oil state. It provided research for a PhD thesis Qaddafi's son Saif al-Islam submitted to the London School of Economics.

...


Monitor brought Benjamin R. Barber, then a professor at the University of Maryland, to Libya for three visits. On Aug. 15, 2007, Barber published an opinion article in The Washington Post entitled "Qaddafi's Libya: An Ally for America?" Although "written off not long ago as an implacable despot," Qaddafi "is a complex and adaptive thinker," Barber asserted, "as well as an efficient, if laid-back autocrat." Joseph Nye, a professor at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, also met Qaddafi. In December 2007 he published an essay in The New Republic in which he described the ruler of Libya since 1969 as "an autocrat" and a past "sponsor of terrorism," but also a man of ideas, "actively seeking a new strategy" and interested in "direct democracy."

Now that Qaddafi has vowed to hunt down and kill every last dissident in Libya, Monitor's image-buffing campaign has received probing coverage in The Boston Globe and Mother Jones, and the firm has issued an online apologia. "Given the terrible spectacle of Colonel Qaddafi using force on his own people, it may be difficult to imagine that just a few years ago many saw a period of promise in Libya," the firm said on Mar. 24. "Colonel Qaddafi had renounced terror, forfeited nuclear and chemical weapons
and programs, and declared himself ready to rejoin the community of nations."

...


None of that excuses the use of august academic reputations and affiliations to promote the Qaddafis. Monitor partner Eamonn Kelly said in an e-mail to Bloomberg Businessweek that the firm regrets "our research in support" of Saif Qaddafi's doctoral thesis. "We also regret the proposal submitted to write a book under Colonel Qaddafi's name. Although this work was not completed, the very idea was a mistake." Kelly said he is leading an internal investigation that includes whether Monitor engaged in lobbying without having registered to represent Libya.

What Monitor did is no different from what K Street "public affairs" shops do every day of the week for dubious foreign governments. Still, the Libya episode leaves a distinctive odor, one that emanates from the corruption of academic reputation. Harry Lewis, a computer science professor at Harvard, doesn't like the smell. During a faculty meeting on Apr. 5, he asked the university's president, Drew Faust, "Shouldn't Harvard acknowledge embarrassment, and might you remind us that when we parlay our status as Harvard professors for personal profit, we can hurt both the university and all of its members?" Faust responded that she supports such expressions of concern but also endorses "the wide discretion of all of you in this room to pursue the directions of academic inquiry you choose, and the outside activities and engagements you choose."


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Barrett is an assistant managing editor at Bloomberg Businessweek.


http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_16/b422...







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:17 AM
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28. Opposition concerned about Gaddafi spies in their ranks
From The Telegraph:

By Andy Bloxham 8:39AM BST 07 Apr 2011

Yesterday, I noted that the rebels had restricted access to the front line and suggested it might be due to increasing professionalism among their soldiers. However another explanation has now emerged: that they are concerned their positions are being reported by spies of the regime. One such incident apparently took place near Benghazi. Abdelhadi Omar, 50, a truck driver turned opposition militant, said:


Yesterday, everywhere we went, as soon as we stopped, they shelled us. (The rebels) figured out it was a spy and took him back to Benghazi.


Ayman Mohammed, a 22-year-old student also fighting at the front, said he saw fellow rebels wrestle the alleged spy to the ground and confiscate his satellite phone and two pistols.

Other rebels describe less sneaky methods used by spies to give away their position. Mohammed al-Jahri, another rebel fighter, said:


There are people who dress like revolutionaries and act like revolutionaries, but they aren't with us. They work for Gaddafi. They go out to the field with us and then they fire their rocket-propelled grenades into the air to give away our location.


Khaled al-Sayeh, a member of the rebels' Military Council, says authorities in Benghazi are currently holding around a dozen suspected spies.

08:39:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindi...





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:05 AM
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29. FACTBOX-Libya's rebel national council





FACTBOX-Libya's rebel national council


Thu Apr 7, 2011 7:45am GMT


April 7 (Reuters) - The council ruling rebel-held eastern Libya has won recognition from France, Italy and Qatar as the country's true representative body, but faces pressure to meet the aspirations of a frustrated population.

It is formed mostly of liberal-minded lawyers, doctors, academics and business executives from eastern Libya and led by Muammar Gaddafi's former justice minister.

Ordinary Libyans interviewed by Reuters have given tacit support, praising the council's efforts to keep "liberated" areas supplied with food, basic services and state salaries.

But it has sown some confusion over the naming of officials and there have been hints of tensions within the council between those who want to move fast to form a strong government and others who are against such a move while the country is split.


...


More:
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE7360AR20...







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:11 AM
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30. NATO bombing going on right now in Tripoli
CNN's Nic Robertson just reported 2 loud explosions and planes seen flying over the city.





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:22 AM
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31. BREAKING, CNN: Warplanes strike opposition convoy near Brega, at least 6 wounded
Ben Wedeman reported from Ajdabiyah. A warplane struck the convoy twice. At least 6 wounded (6 at hospital now, some critical, more ambulances coming).

The assumption is that that this involved NATO aircraft, as the Libyan Air Force has not had planes in the air for more than 3 weeks.






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:37 AM
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32. fieldproducer Libyan rebels tell Reuters NATO air strike hits one of their positions near Brega



fieldproducer Libyan rebels tell Reuters NATO air strike hits one of their positions near Brega on Thursday, one rebel says at least 5 wounded #Libya






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:10 AM
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35. Libyan rebels say NATO airstrikes hit their forces--AP


Apr. 7, 2011 6:34 AM ET


Libyan rebels say NATO airstrikes hit their forces


AJDABIYA, Libya (AP) Rebel fighters are claiming that NATO airstrikes hit their forces on the front lines and touched off a retreat from the outskirts of the oil port of Brega.

...


http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d281c11a96b4ad082fe88a... ?
utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=newsinlibya





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:24 AM
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39. AFP - At least five opposition fighters killed in a NATO air raid in the eastern oil town of Brega

"It was the planes of NATO. They fired twice at our tank and blew up the tank's position," said rebel fighter Ali Sahli.

Chaotic scenes were witnessed at a rebel checkpoint on the edge of Ajdabiya, about 80km from Brega, with ambulances racing through heading for the hospital followed by a convoy of rebel military vehicles.

Civilians were ordered away from the checkpoint.

1:04pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:32 AM
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41. Friendly fire? 5 die as airstrike hits Libyan rebels; a bus is among the vehicles hit



Friendly fire? 5 die as airstrike hits Libyan rebels


A bus is among the vehicles hit, witnesses tell NBC News



NBC News and news services
updated 8 minutes ago


AJDABIYA, Libya At least five people died in an airstrike on a Libyan rebel position near the eastern oil town of Brega on Thursday, a hospital nurse said.

Rebel fighters blamed the airstrike on NATO forces.

...


NBC News reported that the strike occurred about six miles from Brega. A bus was among the vehicles hit, according to witnesses.

A NATO spokesman told NBC News that officials were "aware of media reports regarding events on the ground in Libya but we have not been able to confirm anything."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42468330/ns/world_news-mide... /





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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:05 AM
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42. Very angry doctor on the BBC just then said the death toll is looking like 13
No link yet.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:05 AM
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48. "If true, wasn't the Brits - no ordinance dropped today"
A tweet from a journalist in Libya:


niallpaterson Trying to get to the bottom of brega airstrike - nato allegedly hit rebel tank. If true, wasn't the Brits - no ordinance dropped today






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:25 PM
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72. NATO promises to investigate
See Post #65, downthread.





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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:46 AM
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33.  NPR Reports From Zawiyah Where Resentment Is Still Seething (It's a must hear!)
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 06:45 AM by Turborama
Audio: http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&...

Transcript: http://www.npr.org/2011/04/06/135186324/conflict-in-lib...

For anyone who may have missed my posts on this before...

Warning this video report contains graphic imagery, including wounded children: The Battle for Zawiyah


Alex Crawford, the reporter who filmed the above, being interviewed by Anderson Cooper about what she witnessed while she was there.

Part 1 "in this town, they are 99 percent civilians": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC4e0qbAs2Y

Part 2 "if that isn't a massacre, I really don't know what is": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymCYt-UP6XE

Here's the transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1103/09/acd.01.h...

If/when Gaddafi finally stands trial for crimes against humanity and/or war crines, Alex Crawford will be a key witness.

(50) Tanks and planes hit Libya rebels ("they tore Zawiya down to ashes" - source tells BBC)

Third parties were not allowed into Zawiya for days until the 'cleansing' had been completed...

Rebel Graves Bulldozed Over In Zawiyah

Gaddafis Forces Erase All Traces Of Rebels In Zawiyah

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:18 PM
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89. K/R
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:18 AM
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36. US rebuffs Gaddafi letter to Obama
Article posted in LBN, with the full text of Gaddafi's letter: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:21 AM
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38. !
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:28 AM
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40. A storm Tuesday morning knocked out our internet
It just now came back up.

Good to see you guys still fighting the good fight. :) I've been keeping up with Twitter on my Blackberry.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:46 AM
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43. Eman al-Obeidy has extensive interview with CNN's Nic Robertson
Posted in LBN (this needs to be updated as soon as CNN put the interview online): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:57 AM
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47. Thanks for the heads-up
NPR's news blog also reported that review by the Gaddafi regime had been delayed, holding up transmission of the interview. Good to see it's finally airing!


:hi:





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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:50 PM
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78. Video with just the interview has been added
To the videos forum: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

The one with the preamble about the difficulties is here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:53 AM
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66. CNN is airing portions of the interview throughout the day today nt



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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:20 PM
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71. Full interview is online now ---->
Added On April 7, 2011
CNN's Nic Robertson in Tripoli, Libya, conducted the first on-camera interview with alleged rape victim Eman al-Obeidy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:22 AM
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50. NATO: Gaddafi's forces to blame for oilfield fire
NATO: Gaddafi's forces to blame for oilfield fire
Thu Apr 7, 2011 12:32pm GMT

BRUSSELS, April 7 (Reuters) - NATO blamed forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi for a fire in an oilfield in Libya on Thursday, and denied the Western military alliance had launched air strikes in the area.

The Libyan government's Deputy Foreign Minister Khaled Kaim told reporters that British planes had damaged an oil pipeline in a strike against the Sarir oilfield that killed three guards.

But rebels blamed Gaddafi forces, saying government attacks on three different installations in the east of the country had halted production of the oil they need to finance the eight-week uprising against Gaddafi.

"We are aware that pro-Gaddafi forces have attacked this area in recent days, which resulted in at least one fire at an oil facility north of Sarir," Canadian Lieutenant General Charles Bouchard, commander of NATO's operations in Libya, said in a statement.

Continue...
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFBRU01143720...
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:39 AM
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51. Libya TV host becomes fierce face of regime, brands Eman al-Obeidi a "liar" and a "whore"






Fiercely Pro-Gadhafi, Libya TV Host Leaps to Fame


Libya TV host becomes fierce face of regime, brands woman claiming rape a "liar"



By DIAA HADID and HADEEL AL-SHALCHI Associated Press
TRIPOLI, Libya April 7, 2011 (AP)


Hala Misrati once wrote romance tales about lost love. Now she's the ferocious face of Libya's regime, a star talk-show host on state TV lashing out daily against Moammar Gadhafi's enemies.

She railed against a Libyan woman who claimed to Western journalists she had been raped by Gadhafi militiamen, calling her a "liar" and suggesting she was a "whore." On live TV, Misrati grilled an arrested journalist for an hour with all the doggedness of a secret police interrogator.

...


Her fiercest diatribe came against Iman al-Obeidi, a Libyan woman who last month burst into a Tripoli hotel where Western journalists are staying and told them she had been gang-raped by troops before security officials dragged her out.

"Iman, in the end, is a liar," Misrati said in a 10-minute rant, accusing al-Obeidi of pulling a media stunt. She dismissed her claims, saying no Arab woman would bring shame on her family by publicly admitting to rape. She told viewers that it was rebels who were raping women in the eastern territories they control. Misrati urged al-Obeidi to come clean with the truth because her claims were fueling the "bombardment" of Libya.


http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=133169...







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:59 AM
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52. Both rebel fighters and civilians are reportedly fleeing Ajdabiya for Benghazi in the thousands...
...as rumours spread that Gaddafi's forces are mounting a charge on the town.

14:02:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindi...





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:28 AM
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53. Gaddafi forces shell edge of Ajdabiyah--Reuters
CNN's Ben Wedeman also reported hearing explosions near the town's entrance, and said many were fleeing the town because of rumors of an impending attack.





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:37 AM
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54. Delays in communication/miscommunication could have led to new 'friendly fire' incident
From The Telegraph:

More on the NATO airstrikes: Ben Farmer, the Telegraph correspondent, says Abdel Fatah Younis, the rebels' military leader, has recently complained that the alliance's command structure means that it can take up to eight hours for information to filter through the various levels to stop friendly fire incidents. The latest bombing appears to suggest that miscommunication could have created just such an incident.

15:21:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindi...





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:44 AM
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55. Ex-U.S. lawmaker still waiting for Gadhafi meeting


By the CNN Wire Staff


April 7, 2011 -- Updated 1402 GMT (2202 HKT)


Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- Curt Weldon, the former U.S. congressman who intends to meet with Moammar Gadhafi and persuade him to step aside, told CNN on Thursday he hasn't yet but still hopes to sit down with Libya's defiant strongman.

...


"It is time for us to resolve this conflict," said Weldon, a Republican who once represented a House district outside Philadelphia. Libya remains in a deadly stalemate as pro-Gadhafi forces battle rebel fighters demanding an end to Gadhafi's nearly 42-year-rule.

Weldon said he is underscoring the importance of an immediate cease-fire monitored by the United Nations on both sides, with the Libyan army pulling back in all the cities in distress and rebel forces stopping their forward movement to protect the people.

Weldon said he and his small entourage this week have met with aides and other officials of the embattled regime, including the prime minister, chief of staff and one of Gadhafi's sons.


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/04/07/libya.we... /





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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 09:49 AM
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57. Gadhafi paid millions to U.S. firms to polish his global image
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:01 AM
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58. Libya stalemate appears to be emerging: U.S. general (Reuters)
Gen. Carter Ham, Commander, U.S. Africa Command, said in a Senate hearing that it appeared to be a stalemate on the ground, Reuters reports.





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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:28 AM
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62. Two weeks makes a stalemate?
Now there's a guy who needs to dump the cable news and put his nose in a history book.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:15 AM
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59. 26 journalists expelled from Libya today--Reporters Without Borders
Media watchdog Reporters Without Borders reports 26 journalists were today expelled by the Libyan government 'on the grounds that their visas had expired'.

The watchdog also expressed its concern over one Spanish, and one South African, and 2 US journalists, who have not been seen since Monday.

Around 100 foreign reporters are currently covering the conflict from within Libya. Among them are The Telegraph's Ben Farmer, Damien McElroy, and Nick Meo.

15.55:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindi...





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:13 PM
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87. Officials: Names of 26 reporters slated for deportation may have been in error--none expelled
Media watchdog Reporters sans Frontieres (RSF) corrects its Libya report earlier about 26 journalists being expelled. A day earlier Libyab authorities posted a list of the foreign reporters they said were slated for departure on Thursday, because their visas had expired.

But on Thursday officials said there may have been an administrative error and no one on the list was expelled. It is not clear whether Libya intends to expel any of them at a later date.

8:30pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:23 AM
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60. US Energy Secretary: US Supports Oil Sale By Libya Rebels

APRIL 7, 2011, 8:19 A.M. ET


US Energy Secretary: US Supports Oil Sale By Libya Rebels


ABU DHABI (Zawya Dow Jones)--The U.S. backs the sale of oil by Libya's rebels and supports Libya's Transitional National Council in exporting oil, energy secretary Steven Chu said Thursday.

"The United States is supportive of that sale and supportive of the transitional government for that sale," Chu said at a press conference at a clean energy event in Abu Dhabi.


http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110407-706983.htm...






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:34 AM
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63. West wants Arabs to train Libya rebels


Source: The Sydney Morning Herald





West wants Arabs to train Libya rebels


James Kirkup, London


April 8, 2011


LONDON: Arab states will be urged to train and lead Libya's rebels, with former British soldiers in line to play a central role.

...


Western leaders are worried that Libya is heading for a military stalemate because the rebels are too poorly organised to mount a serious challenge. There are concerns that without a significant change in the military balance, any ceasefire agreed between Colonel Gaddafi and the rebels would favour the Libyan leader.

...


It is understood that Qatar and the United Arab Emirates will be asked to put military trainers into
Libya to transform the rebels into a coherent fighting force.


Britain has said it will not publicly participate in any training operation in Libya, believing any ground-level intervention must be seen to be done by Arab states. However, it is believed that former British personnel could be used as trainers. Former members of the Special Air Service and other elite regiments are frequently employed by Middle Eastern regimes as ''advisers''.


http://www.smh.com.au/world/west-wants-arabs-to-train-l... ?
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:06 AM
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64. Libyan rebels urge rescue for besieged Misurata





Libyan rebels urge rescue for besieged Misurata


By Carsten Hoffmann Apr 7, 2011, 15:09 GMT


Benghazi, Libya - Libyan rebels are entreating NATO-led forces to free the population of the besieged and embattled city of Misurata, caught in a stranglehold by troops under Libyan leader Moamer Gaddafi for more than 40 days.

The rebels' military leader, Gaddafi's former interior minister Abdul Fattah Younis, says the inhabitants are without medical supplies, water and electricity and have only light weapons for self- defence.

A boat sent to Misurata by the rebels has been intercepted and turned back by the Turkish navy, which is enforcing the United Nations-mandated arms embargo off the Libyan coast.

'Misurata is facing annihilation,' Younis warned.

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It is hoped that a ceasefire will allow people a chance to flee. Up to now, injured inhabitants of Misurata have been able to leave only by sea. A Turkish ship entered the harbour several days ago and evacuated some 230 badly injured people. Maimed and traumatized, they were laid on makeshift hospital beds in the hold.

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http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/africa/news/arti...







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:23 AM
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65. NATO promises to investigate the latest airstrike on Thurs. that killed at least 5 rebel fighters
NATO promises to investigate the latest air strike on Thursday that killed at least five rebel fighters in the eastern town of Brega, less than a week after 13 people died in an alliance bombing in the same area.

It said in a statement:


NATO is looking into the specific details of an alleged strike on a column of tanks outside of Brega today.

The fighting between Brega and Ajdabiya, where the strike occurred, has been fierce for several days. The situation is unclear and fluid with mechanised weapons travelling in all directions.


The alliance reiterated it will continue to uphold the UN mandate and strike forces that threaten Libyan civilians.

5:37pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-...





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:33 PM
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74. Video: How Revolutionaries Treat Gaddafi prisoners
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:35 PM
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75. WFP Ship Delivers Vital Aid At Frontline Of Libya Conflict
A WFP ship carrying life-saving food, medical supplies, and other relief items has docked at the Libyan port of Misrata, opening up a new humanitarian lifeline to civilians trapped in the Libyan conflict. This is a breakthrough for the UN humanitarian operation in Libya, said WFP Executive Director, Josette Sheeran.

ROME -- A WFP humanitarian vessel carrying life-saving food, medical supplies, doctors and other relief items has finally been able to reach Misrata port, opening up a new humanitarian lifeline to civilians trapped in the Libyan conflict.

This is a breakthrough for the UN humanitarian operation in Libya and allows us to reach tens of thousands of people who are caught in one of the fiercest areas of conflict, said WFP Executive Director, Josette Sheeran. It is vital that we get these relief supplies to the vulnerable especially women and children and we are working with local partners, including the Libyan Red Crescent, to ensure their needs are met.

The WFP-chartered vessel, Marianne Danica, docked in Misrata this afternoon carrying more than 600 metric tons of WFP food including wheat flour, vegetable oil and High Energy Biscuits enough to feed more than 40,000 people for a month. The ship is also delivering medical supplies on behalf of UNICEF and the World Health Organization (WHO). The UNICEF and WHO emergency health kits and surgical material will cover the urgent needs for 50,000 people for a month. Other materials will enable thousands of children to play in the relative safety of indoors. Two doctors are on board and will disembark at Misrata.

http://www.wfp.org/stories/wfp-ship-delivers-vital-huma...
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:43 PM
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76. Air attack came from Gaddafi's forces, not NATO, says rebel spokeswoman


Source: Washington Post





Libyan rebels targeted in airstrikes despite no-fly zone, rebels say


By Leila Fadel and Debbi Wilgoren, Thursday, April 7, 12:30 PM



AJDABIYA, Libya Deadly strikes on rebel fighters sparked confusion and outrage outside this port city Thursday, with rebels at first accusing NATO warplanes of targeting them, and a rebel spokeswoman later saying the attack came from forces loyal to Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi.

If the spokeswoman is right, the assault which doctors said killed at least two fighters would be the first by Libyan warplanes since the United States and NATO began enforcing a no-fly zone in Libya three weeks ago.

Rebel fighters said they have grown so accustomed to the Western alliance controlling the skies that, when the low-flying planes fired upon several tanks and a passenger bus, they assumed the planes belonged to NATO.

Hours later, however, a rebel spokeswoman in Benghazi said the strikes on the road between Ajdabiya and Brega probably came from Gaddafi.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/libya-rebels-nato-a... -
again/2011/04/07/AFcCHFuC_story.html







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:52 PM
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79. Gadhafi plane evades NATO no-fly zone, bombs rebel tanks


By SHASHANK BENGALI


McClatchy Newspapers


AJDABIYA, Libya -- Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's air force evaded the U.N.-ordered NATO-enforced no-fly zone on Thursday and destroyed three rebel tanks parked along a key highway here, triggering a rebel retreat that seemed to pave the way for a full pro-Gadhafi assault on the city of Ajdabiya.

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The tanks - three Soviet-built T-72s and a Soviet-built T-55 - had left Benghazi, the rebel capital, Wednesday to reinforce rebel positions near Brega, site of a strategic oil terminal where rebels and pro-Gadhafi forces have been battling for days. A rebel unit commander, Salah Saraj, 34, said the rebels had parked the tanks after NATO ordered them not to go forward.

A lone aircraft attacked the four tanks at about 11 a.m., according to another rebel fighter, Ahmed Salim Youssef, 25, who said he witnessed the attack. Three tanks suffered direct hits, Youssef said. Also hit was a bus carrying rebel fighters.

Youssef said the attack took place about 12 miles outside of Brega and that the aircraft made two passes at the tanks.


Read more:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/04/07/2155509/gadhafi-p...





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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:06 PM
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84. Watching BBC -- "anger at NATO" -- they haven't corrected -- 3:06 pm 7th
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 02:21 PM by defendandprotect
Rebels say NATO mistakenly hit rebel forces --

Doctors say at least 13 rebels killed in NATO strike --

4 missiles struck rebel forces --

and also running this ...

Sugggestion Gaddafi plane may have fired missiles

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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:43 PM
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92. I am highly skeptical of this report.
First of all, how would the rebels know this? I think that this is a political move, to attempt to redirect at anger toward NATO at Gaddafi. It makes sense from that perspective. I'd do the same thing.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:01 PM
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94. The RAF said they had not dropped any bombs today when this was reported.

evanchill‎ Reb mil spokesman claims strike on reb forces today wasnt NATO but rather Gaddafi pilots in an Aermacchi SF 260 light attack craft #Libya

iyad_elbaghdadi‎ This would be the first major breach of the NFZ by Gaddafi. Some reports said the bombing was inaccurate but came as a surprise. #Libya
Twitter - 39 minutes ago

iyad_elbaghdadi‎ Reports pointed that this is the type of plan he used: ... - flying at low altitude... used between Brega & Ajdabia. #Libya
Aermacchi SF.260 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia‎ - wikipedia.org
Twitter - 39 minutes ago
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:04 PM
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96. You are skeptical about a report you consider made up.
Yet you make up a whole story about something for which there is no basis of fact.

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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:13 PM
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106. Right.
That's actually quite common. Obviously I was not there. It's just very surprising if a loyalist plane was able to take off and actually bomb opposition forces, and successfully return to base.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:18 PM
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109. I read a report that a rebel had seen a small Gaddafi plane.
If it is a small plane flying low, it may be able to do exactly that.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:28 PM
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111. Interesting.
If so, I guess the no fly zone is something that can be circumvented with relative ease, perhaps...
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:51 PM
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113. First time in how many days
is relative ease ???
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:27 PM
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123. That's why I said "perhaps."
It could be "relative ease," because I have not heard of any of their aircraft, of whatever size, being shot down out of the skies in the many days. If they haven't shot any down, and this is the first bombing attempt by loyalist aircraft, then, so far, their "success rate" is 100%. But there are too many unknowns to draw any conclusions from that, in my opinion.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 12:46 PM
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77. Benghazi Rising
http://vod.journeyman.tv/store?p=4517&s=Benghazi+Rising


The conflict that erupted in Benghazi on the 15th of February was as unexpected as it was cataclysmic, but at its heart lay years of hurt and political repression. Through personal stories told by the people of Benghazi, we trace the conflict from its beginnings in a small protest over one lawyers imprisonment, and capture the inspiring story of how the unarmed people of Libya rocked the titanium police state built by Colonel Gaddafi.

In Benghazi's morgue coffin production is never ending. The piles of mangled and blood-stained corpses represent lost children sacrificed to the rebellion. For Libyans it only adds to their determination, "This makes lions out of cats". Standing in front of Benghazi's ruined police barracks a man tells of the suicide bomber who finally turned a small protest into a full rebellion. "He saw the kids being massacred ... he was a decent man with a good salary ... but then ...", words fail. The description being painted is that of the man who ran his car into the Benghazi security headquarters, sacrificing his life to stop Gaddafi's police. "Seeing him sacrifice himself made the masses rise up".

The chanting protesters hold aloft pictures of martyrs, not of this conflict but of political prisoners placed in Abu Salim prison since 1996. Police massacred 1200 of them and Benghazi has never forgotten its sons who died that terrible day. It was over justice for these men that the inhabitants of Benghazi first took to the streets. For the first time, fifteen years later they can mourn the casualties of Gaddafi's reign in public. Evocative scenes which speak volumes of the pressures Libyans have lived under for decades.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:07 PM
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85. BBC is reporting that rebels are being pushed back to Benghazi ...
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:37 PM
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90. I know.
I fear that Gaddafi has figured out NATO and is going to chase all rebels out of the country or massacre them.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:23 PM
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120. Something really went wrong here --
Not sure that I trust NATO's leadership --

One thing I feel sure of -- if Gaddafi haven't been given all of these weapons,

the rebels would have their country back!!

Really sad --

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:35 PM
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126. I think the coalition was terrified
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 06:07 PM by tabatha
of losing any planes to Gaddafi.

Hence, they have flown high and only bombed very clear targets. I heard that they did not want to bring in low-flying aircraft because of the mobile anti-aircraft weapons that Gaddafi has, and cannot be taken out with sea-launched missiles. Sea-launched missiles are no risk.

I just read a tweet that NATO is now flying over Misrata - but I don't know if that will help, because the Gaddafi forces are hidden inside the town.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:24 PM
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133. Sadly interesting ---
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 06:28 PM by defendandprotect
and ironically, these forces are fighting weapons supplied by UK, France, Russia --

and USA would have been in there with their shiny new contract, as well!!

Also can't believe that they didn't work out some system to identify the anti-G forces.

Is that naive -- too much to hope for?


Have to say that the intended spirit of this mission doesn't seem to be being upheld

by NATO -- certainly doesn't make me feel confident about them.



PS: Also great fears for the rebels if this doesn't take hold and Gaddafi isn't at

the least stopped. Also sending a putrid message to the world that someone as violent

as Gaddafi can succeed and stay in power -- it just takes violence.

Also, think there is a strong message here for Americans -- what would it ever take

to defeat our MIC and its weapons should it ever become necessary? And depending on

what fascist interests may have control of the MIC.

Too often the fastes seem to be on the side of violence -- but then again, nature isn't

suicidal!
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:27 PM
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137. They don't have any A-10 "tank busters" or AC-130 "gunships". Only America has them.
So, the ability to go low was withdrawn when the US stepped back and handed over to NATO.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:07 PM
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142. U.S. still providing strike aircraft to NATO, including AC-130 gunships--former mission commander
From an MSNBC news report on the Senate testimony of Army Gen. Carter Ham, Commander, U.S. Africa Command, today:


Ham also disclosed that the U.S. is providing some strike aircraft to the NATO operation that do not need to go through the special approval process recently established. The powerful side-firing AC-130 gunship is available to NATO commanders, he said.

His answer countered earlier claims by the Pentagon that all strike aircraft must be requested through U.S. European Command and approved by top U.S. leaders, including Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

Ham said that process still applies to other fighters and the A-10 Thunderbolt, which can provide close air support for ground forces, He said that process is quick, and other defense officials have said it can take about a day for the U.S. to approve the request and move the aircraft in from bases in Europe.

Overall, he said the U.S. is providing less than 15 percent of the airstrikes and between 60 percent and 70 percent of the support effort, which includes intelligence gathering, surveillance, electronic warfare and refueling.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42468330/ns/world_news-mide...






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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:27 PM
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150. Thanks, man. So, the AC-130 doesn't have to go through the 24hr approval process but the A-10 does..
The approval process can take about a day, but he says that's quick.

Is that a correct summation? It was a bit difficult to unravel what the article was actually saying.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 08:09 PM
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143. Attack helicopters now aiding fight for the first time in conflict
lenzaholic‎ RT @SoraidaSalwala: RT @jeffwar1: FLASH:NATO jets now pounding Sirte and Misrata. Attack helicopters now aiding fight for the first time in conflict #Libya

Frankie7500‎ Its about f---ing time NATO jets now pounding Sirte and Misrata. Attack helicopters now aiding fight for the first time in conflict #Libya

Soknia‎ RT @AndrewSmith09: RT @Gheblawi: NATO jets now pounding #Sirte and #Misurata. Attack helicopters now aiding fight for the first time in conflict #Libya
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:09 PM
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145. Didn't know that -- so when US withdrew a lot of the operation/options went with them --
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:15 PM
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148. Yep.
US appears to be providing 10% strike support now but 60% logistics (refueling, intelligence, etc; those things we don't pay for since we're providing a service as far as I understand).
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 01:17 PM
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81. April 7th and the Libyan Student Movement
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 01:27 PM by Iterate
As in other nations, Libyan Universities were a source of agitation for social change since not long after independence in 1951. During the 1960's the cause was often king Idris's government's unwillingness to join in the Pan-Arab movement, but after Gaddafi took power in 1968, student organizations were organized not around anti-establishment causes, but in support of the regime's goals.

At this point in the narrative it's probably simplest to quote from the website "Libya: What Happened and When?" http://www.libya-watanona.com/libya/libyans.htm

April 16, 1973: In a large gathering in the city of Zuara, Gadhafi launched the "popular cultural revolution" which must lead the people to take over themselves. Gadhafi announecd that the political parties are preventing the revolution from advancing and he would not tolerate political parties and their members any more. He announced that joining a political party is a crime and those who violate that decree would be punished severely. Number of students, professors and government employees were arrested and jailed. Some of the arrested figures were shown on TV talking about their activities in the past.

Gadhafi announced that Libya should be governed by the people, who must organize People's Committees , and take over government and universities offices. There were rumers at that time that Gadhafi won the battle against his army officers, some of whom were in favor of returning to a traditional government in Libya.

February 28, 1975: Libyan students held meetings and demonstrations to oppose the government's continuous intervention in thier affairs. Government's troops entered the universities ( University of Tripoli and Universiy of Benghazi which to be named later University of Alfatih and University of Garyounis respectively) and arrested some students and jailed them without trial.

January 6, 1976: Libyan students formed an independant union refusing to recognize a student union that was sponsered by the government . Government troops attacked students in their schools and arrested number of students. students demonstrated in the streets asking for an end to the troops intervention in their schools and some students were killed by troops bullets.

April 6, 1976: In a large gathering in the city of Solouq near Benghazi, Gadhafi dennounced the independant students movement and announced that the independant students union is not going to be tolerated any more. He said that the only recognized union is the one lead by Abdulqadir Albaghdadi (who was a student in the faculty of education in University of Tripoli and known for his complete support for Gadhafi.) Gadhafi asked the people in Solouq to liberate schools and universities and get rid them of any students who oppose the great Al-Fatih revolution.

April 7, 1976: Students in University of Tripoli and University of Benghazi (divided into two camps: one supports the government student union and another supports the independant student union) started fighting each other, first using words then throwing stones at each other. The independant union supporters succeeded in defeating their opponents but government troops came to the rescue and arrested many students and jailed them in Alawsat Police Station in Tripoli (and later in Alfurnaj Prison near Tripoli) and in Benghazi's Secret Service Building (and later in Alquaifya Prison near Benghazi.)

Hundreds of students were tried in front of civil courts and were given light sentences. Most of the students were released after 5 weeks and the rest were released after 10 months.

April 7, 1977: The first anniversary of April 7, 1976's students uprising. Student leaders were rearrested and retried and two of them (Omar Dabboob and Ben Saud) were hanged in public and the others were sentenced to long terms in prison.


In less than a student university career, Gaddafi had gone from banning all non-approved organizations (i.e. non-governmental) to seizing control even of student unions, and executing their irreverent leaders.

Gaddafi also personally attended and presided over the executions of two of them on April 7, 1977:

Mohammed bin Saud, 7 April 1977, Benghazi. Teacher. Executed by public hanging, for participating in Jan. '76 student demonstrations. I've found no surviving picture of him.

Executed at the same event was this young man:

Omar A. Dabboub, 7 April 1977, Benghazi. Teacher.
Executed by public hanging, for participating
in Jan. '76 student demonstrations.


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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:56 PM
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93. Libyans Remember April 7th As A Day Of Rage And Grief
Tasbeeh Herwees | April 7, 2011
Staff Reporter

On April 7, 1976, Libyan university students from Benghazi and Tripoli organized mass demonstrations against the regime of Muammar Gaddafi.

...

Earlier that year in January, several Libyan students objected to the formation of a government-sponsored student union by creating their own independent one. Gaddafis regime reacted with violent force; government troops were sent to the schools, where they attacked and arrested several students.

When the students took to the streets to protest the involvement of government troops in their schools, they were shot at and several were killed. But it would be what happened several months later that would stick painfully in the minds of Libyans forever.

...

On that same day the next next year, April 7, 1977, the Tripoli campus of Al-Fateh University was fitted with gallows. The regime would start a tradition of marking the anniversary of the 1976 uprising with hangings and executions. That day, several students in Al-Fateh University and in Benghazis main square were publicly hanged. The regime broadcasted the hangings on Libyan State TV.

Complete...

http://www.neontommy.com/news/2011/04/april-7th

This commentary expands on the events from the previous post.

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 01:37 PM
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83. The deep roots of Libya's psychology of violence





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Such visceral imagery has long defined political discourse in Libya. The roots of extreme violence stretch back to the colonial period under Italian rule. But from the earliest years of his reign, Colonel Qaddafi has employed violence from assassinating dissidents abroad to killing opponents at home to sow fear among Libyans and warn against dissent.

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And under the Qaddafi regime," says Mr. Joffe. "there has been an extreme intolerance of any dissidence of any kind at all, and the population has been very profoundly disciplined by the regime itself.

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Its like having people in a bag, and shaking the bag and you keep shaking it, never allowing them for one second to come to a rest, to think about it, says Mr. Kikhia, a Libyan dissident and author of the 1997 book Libyas Qaddafi: The Politics of Confrontation. So they spend their whole time, their whole existence just thinking about how to make it from one hour to the next.

Kikhia left Libya in 1980, not long after seeing five people two of them his personal friends hung as a public spectacle in three locations in Tripoli. Traffic was diverted to force drivers to the scene. They showed it on television, so every Libyan can see Dont oppose me, in any way. "


The deep roots of Libya's psychology of violence
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/0407/Th...








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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:09 PM
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86. Fascist rule requires violence/TORTURE -- it couldn't exist without it --
and all levels of intimidation of the population --

This is true, as well, wherever we see patriarchy which is fascism --

"Patriarchy and violence are mirror images of one another" --
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 02:42 PM
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91. Benghazi's radio station now available online; NewLibya.tv English Channel to come.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/benghaziradio

So far only streaming photos, but will increase its Arabic content over the next few days.

"The New Libya TV project is a new TV channel based out of Benghazi, Libya - to be broadcasted in English all over the world."
http://newlibya.tv/
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:02 PM
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95. Thanks, I saw that the other day - but it was not live.
When it does go live, it will probably be one of the best sources of info.
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Life Long Liberal Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:06 PM
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97. How much have we spent so far? n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:26 PM
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121. Where? In Iraq/Afghanistan? Enough to bankrupt our Treasury!!
But, oddly enough, I don't see daily comments about that on the HOME page of DU --

nor even articles every day about this 10 year fiasco based on 9/11 Bush/Cheney lies!!

Two immoral and illegal wars of aggression going on 10 years and DU barely mentions them!!

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:19 PM
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98. Swedish jets make first combat mission in 50 yrs
STOCKHOLM, April 7 (Reuters) - Swedish warplanes operating from Sicily took part in NATO's operations against Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi on Thursday, the first combat sortie by the Nordic country's air force since the early 1960s.

A Swedish military spokesman said the aircraft had carried out a mission lasting about 40 minutes, according to plan, and had returned safely to their base in southern Italy. He would not provide any further information due to NATO regulations.

The last time Sweden flew combat missions was in the Congo in the early 1960s, under United Nations orders.

The country, which has not fought a war for 200 years, sent eight single-seat JAS 39 Gripen planes to the Sigonella airbase at the start of this month to help patrol the no-fly zone imposed on Libya by the UN.

The jets have been forbidden by Swedish authorities to carry out any ground attacks other than in self defence, conditions agreed with NATO.

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE7361OV20...
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:02 PM
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115. See, this is why I find it hard to believe that some people think this is a war for oil
Please do tell me why the Swiss are helping the US fight a war for oil. Please.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:07 PM
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117. Swedes not Swiss.
But still, they have not been in combat in 50 years.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:21 PM
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99. WRAPUP 6-U.N. troops surround Gbagbo's "last defenders"
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 03:29 PM by tabatha

Thu Apr 7, 2011 6:22pm GMT


* U.N. peacekeepers surround Gbagbo forces - France

* French helicopter rescues Japanese ambassador

* Ouattara may end cocoa ban soon - U.N. envoy

* Abidjan residents scramble to find food and water

(Adds potential end to cocoa ban, paragraph 6)

By Ange Aboa and Loucoumane Coulibaly

ABIDJAN, April 7 (Reuters) - U.N. peacekeepers have surrounded the "last defenders" of Ivory Coast incumbent leader Laurent Gbagbo, France said on Thursday, after a week of heavy fighting to unseat him.

Forces loyal to rival presidential claimant Alassane Ouattara have been waging an offensive in Abidjan to topple Gbagbo, who has refused to cede power after losing last November's election to Ouattara, according to results certified by the United Nations.

http://af.reuters.com/article/ivoryCoastNews/idAFLDE735...
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:22 PM
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100. Victory for the Libyan rebels!
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:36 PM
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101. Libyan government holding Microsoft employee
Microsoft issued this statement about its employee who is being detained by the Libyan regime:



Microsofts country manager in Libya, Khalid Elhasumi, has been held in custody by Libyan authorities in
Tripoli since the evening of Saturday, March 19th.

Over the last two weeks Microsoft has been working with Khalids family and international organizations to help get Khalid released. We continue our efforts to ensure his safety and soonest possible release. We currently have no information about the reasons for his detention.

Khalid Elhasumi joined Microsoft in 2010. He manages Microsofts operations in Libya which opened in 2006.

We are hopeful that the authorities will release Khalid soon, says Ali Faramawy, Vice President Microsoft Middle East and Africa. We are in close touch with his family and are actively working to provide support and ensure his safety.


http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/emea/presscentre/pre...
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 03:45 PM
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102. Europe, US moving to help cash-needy Libya rebels


Source: Agence France Presse


Europe, US moving to help cash-needy Libya rebels


(AFP) 51 minutes ago


BENGHAZI, Libya Europe and the United States are moving to help Libya's rebels after talks convinced them the insurgency is a bona fide democratic movement, sources involved in the talks said on Thursday.

But that aid is "non-lethal" -- meaning no weapons were being provided -- and within the limits of UN Security Council resolutions imposing sanctions on Libya and allowing international military action to protect civilians, they said.

The Western allies were setting up a communications system between the rebel military and NATO's base organising air strikes.

They were also examining ways to help the Libyan opposition overcome a liquidity crunch and providing "big behind-the-scenes political assistance," the sources said on condition they not be identified.



http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jGTP...





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:03 PM
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103. Good.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:27 PM
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122. K/R -- good --
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:12 PM
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104. Residents shelter from mortars in Libya's Misrata
Residents shelter from mortars in Libya's Misrata
Thu Apr 7, 2011 2:57pm GMT

ALGIERS/BEIRUT, April 7 (Reuters) - People in the Libyan city of Misrata are crammed five families to a house in the few safe districts to try to escape mortars raining down from government forces, a rebel spokesman said on Thursday.

Troops loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi have mounted mortars on the rooftops of buildings, allowing them to extend their range into almost every part of the city, said the rebels.

Misrata is the only big rebel stronghold left in the west of Libya, but weeks of artillery attacks and sniper fire have shrunk the parts of the city controlled by the rebels -- despite airstrikes by NATO warplanes aimed at protecting civilians.

"It does not seem there is a safe place in Misrata any more," the spokesman, who gave his name as Hassan al-Misrati, told Reuters by telephone from the city.

Continue...http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73618D20...

Includes detail of G's forces placement of mortars on roofs and the day's update
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:13 PM
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105. Wiki Information
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 04:13 PM by tabatha
For any who have questions about the intervention --- countries, assets supplied, costs --- and the uprising - history, players, help, sources of revenue, etc, these two pages should help:

2011 military intervention in Libya
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention...

2011 Libyan civil war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Libyan_civil_war

These pages in turn have extensive lists of links. I believe that they are being updated.

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:32 PM
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112. I don't think I've ever seen wiki articles so well sourced
214 listed on the one, 336 listed on the other, whew. They're good summaries (but not as good as the detail here, it's the best).
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:52 PM
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114. Yes, I agree these reports are the best.
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 04:54 PM by tabatha
But there are some topics not covered here. The wikis provide a summary overview.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:16 PM
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108. Oil expert debunks the "coalition war for oil" meme.
http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/indus...

Read for the factual points, these are the summation paragraphs:

As Juan Cole, a Middle East expert, puts it, the political left needs to "learn to chew gum and walk at the same time", not reflexively opposing humanitarian intervention where it is justified. He argues that "the UN allies now rolling back Qaddafi are doing a good thing".

Conversely, right-wingers, those not shamed into silence by the fiasco in Iraq, should accept the benefits to the US's tarnished reputation of a genuine humanitarian operation and stop seeing phantasms among the Libyan opposition of any Islamist group they may have heard of on Fox News.

If this war does end with the ousting of Col Qaddafi, one key task for the international community will be to repair the oil industry, and to set up an accountable, democratic system for managing the revenue. No new dictator must be allowed to use petrodollars to entrench his rule, enrich a corrupt coterie and buy weapons to slaughter civilians. One war aim on which all should be able to agree is ensuring Libyan oil is not stolen but instead benefits its true owners.




Robin Mills is an energy economist based in Dubai, and the author of The Myth of the Oil Crisis and Capturing Carbon


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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 04:21 PM
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110. twitter from Misrata
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 05:06 PM by tabatha
ChangeInLibya‎ BREAKING: News that a group of Gaddafi soldiers barricaded in Misrata want to surrender & the revolutionaries are surrounding them #libya
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:04 PM
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116. Residents shelter from mortars in Libya's Misrata
ALGIERS/BEIRUT, April 7 (Reuters) - People in the Libyan city of Misrata are crammed five families to a house in the few safe districts to try to escape mortar rounds being fired by government forces, a rebel spokesman said on Thursday.

Government troops have mounted mortars on the rooftops of buildings, extending their range into almost every part of the city, rebels said. Misrata is the only big rebel stronghold left in western Libya, but weeks of artillery attacks and sniper fire have shrunk the parts of the city controlled by rebels.

"It does not seem there is a safe place in Misrata any more," rebel spokesman Hassan al-Misrati said by phone. "They are using mortars, a lot of mortars, and firing anywhere. They do not care where it lands. This crazy man (Gaddafi) has turned hysterical and wants to kill as many people as he can.

"His forces have even attacked the cemetery. What is in the cemetery but dead people? But he doesn't care," Misrati said.

http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/residents-shelter-fr... /
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:04 PM
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144. K/R
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:10 PM
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118. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 12:10 AM FRIDAY, APRIL 8
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:22 PM
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119. Libyan minister to take Turkish peace plan to Gaddafi


Source: The Guardian





Libyan minister to take Turkish peace plan to Gaddafi


Rebels also 'positive' about three-point plan after separate meeting with Turkish officials



Chris McGreal in Benghazi, Harriet Sherwood in Tripoli and Seumas Milne
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 7 April 2011 21.15 BST


Turkey has proposed a path to a peaceful resolution to the deadlocked conflict in Libya, involving a withdrawal by Muammar Gaddafi's forces from cities held by the rebels, and democratic reform.

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Turkey, which this week hosted an envoy from the Gaddafi regime, the new foreign minister, Abdel Ati al-Obeidi, said the measures would be discussed at an international meeting on Libya in Qatar next week. The US, European countries and Middle Eastern allies will take part.

Obeidi was reported to be floating ideas for a three-country tour in search of a political solution, with Gaddafi staying in power while constitutional reforms were introduced. Libya's opposition and the international coalition reject any plan involving Gaddafi remaining in power.

Erdogan outlined three elements to his proposal: a ceasefire in the cities surrounded by Gaddafi's forces, including Misrata; a humanitarian corridor to allow aid to enter, co-ordinated with Tripoli; and negotiations leading to a new political process in Libya, including free elections.

...


The Turkish government also met Mustafa Abdul Jalil, the chairman of the rebel council, in Doha recently. Jalil was said to have been "positive" about the proposal.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/07/libya-minis...







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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:55 PM
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130. There seems to be a lot of emphasis on negotiation lately.
But, so far, it appears that the sticking point is that rebels won't consider anything with Gaddafi remaining in the country. Not saying that they should...
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:31 PM
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125. BREAKING, CNN: 4 journalists held by Libya to be released nt



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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:40 PM
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127. The four journalists held are identified here:


Four Reporters Captured In Libya

The Huffington Post Jack Mirkinson First Posted: 04/ 7/11 05:04 PM ET Updated: 04/ 7/11 06:03 PM

The Libyan military captured four reportersincluding one working for The Atlantic magazine and one working for the GlobalPost websiteon Tuesday, it was reported Thursday.

Clare Morgana Gillis, who works for The Atlantic, and James Foley, who works for GlobalPost, were captured at around 1 PM a few miles from the government-controlled city of Brega.

The other reporters Manu Brabo, a Spanish photographer, and Anton Hammerl, a South African photographer.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/07/atlantic-repor...





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:47 PM
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128. Good news for all of them.
Anton Hammerl

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-83854958755699...

Anton Hammerl lectures on the imagery of South Africas first decade of democracy. Journalism Week has been organised for undergraduates at all levels studying on journalism programmes. It involves inviting guest lecturers in from all areas of journalism or related fields to explain their work, to reflect on and critique the state of journalism, and to enrich the student curriculum and experience. It is a chance for undergraduates to meet and talk to industry practitioners and academics about their experience and views on journalism, and to stimulate thought and debate. It is open to all journalism students and may also be of interest to media and film students. Leeds Trinity and All Saints Horsforth Leeds LS18 5HD
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 05:52 PM
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129. Nato 'apologises for hitting Libya rebels'
The commander of Libya's rebel forces has said Nato apologised for mistakenly hitting a column of rebel tanks near the eastern town of Ajdabiya.

Gen Abdelfatah Yunis said the deadly air strike had occurred despite a warning to Nato that the tanks were being moved to the front line.

Nato said it was investigating the claim, without giving further details.

Rebels said four rebels died, while local doctors told the BBC at least 13 fighters had been killed in the strike.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13008244

...

I'm confused. This just came out. Are the rebels saying NATO did this or that loyalist forces did this?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:10 PM
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131. It is confusing....
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 06:10 PM by tabatha
because there were a lot of claims that had to be verified.

I wish the verification would occur before the claims.

However, this report makes mincemeat of the claim that the rebels were blaming Gaddafi to cover for NATO.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:12 PM
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146. A right hand may be doing something the left hand doesn't know about?
And I think this was the second time in three days that there was a mishap at the

expense of rebel's?

Don't have a lot of trust in NATO -- and there may be some among them who don't

like this mission? Especially being forced to be in it -- and then being criticized

for two days by rebels! ???

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:10 PM
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132. The voice of Libya's rebellion is up and spinning


Source: Los Angeles Times





The voice of Libya's rebellion is up and spinning


The burgeoning radio, TV and press empire of the rebels in eastern Libya is giving Moammar Kadafi's foes information and outlets many have never had. Not that the coverage is exactly balanced.



By David Zucchino, Los Angeles Times


April 7, 2011, 2:09 p.m.

...


Inside a makeshift sound studio, radio host Khalid Ali wearily rubbed his eyes. Voice of Free Libya radio 98.9 on your FM dial had just opened its caller lines for another round of hectoring.

...


It's not exactly fair and balanced media. In fact, as Fannoush helpfully pointed out, there are four inviolate rules of coverage on the two rebel radio stations, TV station and newspaper:



No pro-Kadafi reportage or commentary (at least until the tyrant in Tripoli is deposed).

No mention of a civil war. (The Libyan people, east and west, are unified in a war against a totalitarian regime.)

No discussion of tribes or tribalism. (There is only one tribe: Libya.)

No references to Al Qaeda or Islamic extremism. (That's Kadafi propaganda.)



As the rebels fight Kadafi's forces, they are also battling a Tripoli propaganda machine that controls radio, TV, newspapers and public dialogue in western Libya. The opposition's Western Hemisphere-educated, English-speaking spokesmen spin and cajole international reporters, who are free to roam eastern Libya while their colleagues in Tripoli are hemmed in by regime minders.

...


In late February, after the Kadafi government cut Internet service in the east, the rebels recruited a posse of young, tech-savvy volunteer hackers. They pounded away on laptops inside a darkened room in Benghazi's graffiti-streaked courthouse until they had built rudimentary Web connections.

Today, there is Wi-Fi inside the grimy courthouse complex, and a "media center" where journalists use the wireless connection to file their reports. To keep out hordes of young Libyans starved for Internet access, volunteer guards in red berets limit access to "accredited journalists" anyone who manages to get hold of an official rebel press badge. (At last count, they numbered 1,000-plus.)


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/middleeas...







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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:27 PM
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138. Spoken like a true member of American media
Fair and balanced means giving equal time to the propaganda of dictators!
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 06:30 PM
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134. Libya: Situation in Rebel City of Misrata Has US 'Very Concerned'


Source: ABC News



Libya: Situation in Rebel City of Misrata Has US 'Very Concerned'


US Says Rebels Face Constant Bombardment



By KIRIT RADIA
April 7, 2011


...


The director of USAID's Office of Foreign Disaster Assistance, Mark Ward, told ABC News in his first interview since the agency's humanitarian experts first arrived in country on Tuesday that his teams had heard reports of severe casualties and shortages in the besieged city.

...


Further west, where the fighting has been more intense, is another story. Ward said the U.S. is "very concerned" about the situation in and around Misrata, where forces loyal to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi have bombarded rebel forces for weeks. Though aid groups are pre-positioned just outside the city they have not been able to enter, except for a few quick trips to drop off supplies, due to ongoing fighting. From those groups, Ward said, they hear the situation there is "dire."

In addition to heavy casualties, Ward says they've been told there are severe shortages of water, food, electricity, and medical supplies. He said the current strategy for NGOs is to pre-position the aid so that it can be sent in as quickly as possible if there is a lull in the fighting.

To that end, USAID has sent into eastern Libya 4-5 "health kits," which each contain medical supplies to stock a clinic capable of treating 10,000 people for three months. Each kit is about 3/4 the size of an SUV. Additionally the U.S. has provided several "trauma kits," which contain specialized supplies needed to perform 100 surgical operations.

...


The shortage goes beyond supplies, Ward warned. He said there are also not enough adequate medical professionals, particularly nurses. Most who were in the country when the fighting erupted were foreigners who have since fled. The U.S. has provided funds to the United Nation's World Health Organization to train personnel farther east so that they can contribute.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/libya-war-us-concerned-h...





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:17 PM
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135. Sen. Franken introduces "Pay for War" resolution


April 7, 2011 5:16 PM


Sen. Franken introduces "Pay for War" resolution


Posted by Stephanie Condon


With troops on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan and new military operations underway in Libya, Sen. Al Franken says it's time for Congress to more seriously consider how the United States will pay for its wars.


The Democratic senator from Minnesota introduced the "Pay for War" resolution Wednesday to require Congress to offset any costs for military operations that go beyond the Defense Department's base budget. If the resolution were to pass, Congress would have to either raise revenues or cut spending to pay for military activity.


"This is not a symbolic resolution," Franken said on the Senate floor yesterday. "It would return us to the traditional American way of paying for wars, where the Congress and the nation confront-head on-the financial cost, commitment, and sacrifice of going to war."


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20051870-503544....





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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:32 PM
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139. 87 views?
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 07:32 PM by Turborama
I posted this just over 7 hours ago and I have to say that's pathetic: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Could be the title I used, but still, do people give up caring that quickly? :shrug:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 07:53 PM
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140. NATO airstrike on rebels Thursday morning killed at least 4, injured 20. More details:




The strikes occurred at 10:30 a.m. after the rebels had moved 20 tanks to the front in their battle to retake the refinery city of Port Brega, a key coastal installation that the fighters lost a week ago.

"People are asking us who we think bombed our tanks. We would assume it was the NATO by mistake, (by) friendly fire," said Gen. Abdul Fatah Younis.

At least four people were killed, including two medics, and 20 people were injured, Younis said. He described it as a precision airstrike that only NATO could have carried out. Four tanks were badly damaged, though Younis said the rebels had 400 tanks in their possession.

The general said he believed that NATO had offered an apology, though he had not seen the actual statement. He said NATO and the rebels were in constant contact.

After the strikes, Kadafi's forces advanced toward the city of Ajdabiya, but rebels drove them back to Port Brega, Younis said. He demanded to know why NATO had not targeted Kadafi's fighters before they retreated, and he said he wanted an explanation for the day's events.


April 7, 2011, 5:02 p.m.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-lib...







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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 10:15 PM
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149. Would think the rebels would know difference between Libyan planes and NATO --
and they seemed to have identified NATA immediately --
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