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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 12:57 AM
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Lessons in how NOT to negotiate, courtesy of your President.
by Joe Sudbay

For a couple of weeks, I've been hearing that White House Chief of Staff Bill Daley called Speaker John Boehner and offered to give the GOPers the cuts they wanted on the 2011 budget. Sam Stein heard something similar:

A party operative, plugged into the discussions, made it clear that there were disagreements over the chief of staff's negotiating tactics.

"He is choosing to appease Republicans over fighting for Democratic principles," the operative said, pointing to a post put together by the Obama-allied Center for American Progress, arguing that $32 billion in cuts is "not much of a compromise if we end up with what the House Republican leadership wanted in the first place."


I wish this was wrong. But, it's not.

Today, I listened to Obama's remarks during the press briefing. He basically confirmed it...

MORE:

http://www.americablog.com/2011/04/lessons-in-how-not-t...
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 01:05 AM
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1. So his CoS is just as weak and cowardly a negotiator as he is?
Damn. x(

Is is a rule that you have to want the republicans to succeed to work in this administration? :grr:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 01:14 AM
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2. Apparently yes. nt
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ConservativeDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 01:18 AM
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3. It's exactly how to negotiate in this situation
This battle is all about who the public blames for shutting down the government.
Right now, they're split 50/50.

Unbelievable? No. If the public actually paid attention, modern day Republicans wouldn't be voted in as dogcatcher.

The GOP will try to blame President Obama. They already are.
President Obama will say, as he did, "I gave them what they asked for, and they still shut it down."

That message will reverberate. And the public won't be happy with the GOP at all.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 01:19 AM
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4. Yay, conservative democrats, the only "reality based" people.
Whatever.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 01:41 AM
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 03:01 AM
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6. Nonsense. This budget fight is about how long poor people get to live.
This budget fight is about cutting medical benefits and Social Security for elderly and poor people.

It's also about allowing our air quality, water and other basic necessities to become so polluted that our life expectancy drops.

It is also about giving even bigger tax cuts to the super rich.

But above everything else, this budget fight is about keeping Democrats hoodwinked into thinking that Obama is actually working for them and not for Wall Street.

The ugly fact is that Obama is working for Wall Street.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 03:30 AM
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7.  As long Obama comes out smelling like a rose with his statement already to go
that's all that matters, never mind that people get hurt. :sarcasm: It's all fun and games to politicians, it's sickening. x(
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 06:15 AM
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10. Exactly!
Obama is playing this out like he is above all this and the only adult in the room...
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 07:53 PM
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11. Budge battles are about funding programs, and people's lives.
If you really, honestly think that this is only, or even mostly about who is going to get blame then your priorities are really f*cked-up.

That would mean you are willing to let millions of people suffer and die just on the off chance that republicans might get blamed for something for a few days in the media.

:wtf:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:19 AM
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14. "That would mean you are willing to let millions of people suffer and die just on the off chance
Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 11:20 AM by dionysus
republicans might get blamed for something for a few days in the media."

funny, the same people saying that now said the exact opposite when the GOP was holding unemployment benefits hostage with the tax bill.

THEN, it was preferrable to let unemployed suffer to make the GOP look callous.

NOW, it's all about the human suffering.

what a terrific double standard we have here.
:rofl:



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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 10:20 AM
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15. Um.. Wrong.
Nobody sane ever said that it was best to let the unemployed suffer for any reason.

If there is a double standard, it's only in your own head.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 03:39 AM
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8. folksy 101: "We're all gonna havta take a haircut"
Edited on Wed Apr-06-11 03:39 AM by upi402
Bullshit. Rich get their ass kissed and we get ours kicked again.

Here's the deep dark dirty secret in just 45 minutes viewing;
http://www.leftunderground.com/threads/63-chris-hedges-...
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 03:42 AM
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9. It's more of a "scalping" in Ed Shultz's words. nt
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-11 11:11 AM
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13. LOL -Leave it to Ed
Folksy post-graduate style! The master has spoken.
:kick:
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-11 07:55 PM
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12. More pragmatist bullshit.
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