Anyone have any reason to believe voting machine shenanigans in Wisconsin?

[Horse with no Name]

I just get a little nervous when the votes start getting counted...I can't believe people have been marching and protesting by the thousands and come out in record numbers to vote to simply vote for the same old shit....

[FrenchieCat]

1. That's why if a Repub beats Obama in 2012.......

with all of the encouraging that has gone on here not to vote,
or not to work or donate.....

just know that after a certain time of day in November,
after it is announced, there won't be any turning back,
or immediate do-overs.

Remember, the GOP has the media on its side....always...
like now, and like in the future for eternity.

[mod mom]

29. You have to have a relatively close election or the entire system would be called into question

stealing an obvious landslide would make us dump the machines. They wouldn't want that.

[FeelingBlue]

2. I was just wondering the same thing

especially since it looks like there will have to be a recount. So, where are the ballots? How will they be stored? Who will preserve them? Black Box Voting, where are you when we need you????

[Yellow Horse]

17. Probably out raising money and acting like hot dogs... they're good at that.

Is there a LOCAL or STATE election integrity group in WI? If so, they are the ones who probably know more about this than anyone, and they probably need money bad. And they probably don't need Bev Harris rolling in to the state put on her brand of theatrics.

It's the local and state groups everywhere that need our support. They are out there, on the ground, doing the real work for better voting systems.

[Casandia]

3. I saw Kloppenburg just lose 10,000 votes from Dane county

I have 2 webscreens up, and one I keep updating one screen and comparing it with the older screen, ....and suddenly, Kloppenburg had 10,000 votes less. No change in Prossers numbers!!

[FeelingBlue]

8. Evidence of misdeeds?

It does sound questionable. I can't even deal with that whole thing. It is hard enough that this race is such a nail biter. If Prosser wins it will be for TEN YEARS. Why is it so close? I can't imagine.

[BadgerKid]

10. Dane just went from 207/248 to 243/248 w/no change in votes!

12:28AM ET

Dane 207/248 45,503 124,880
27% 73%

12:30AM ET

Dane 243/248 45,503 124,880
27% 73%

[Casandia]

11. I saw that too!!! Something stinks

[L. Coyote]

14. The precinct tally was messed up to, it went up but the votes did not.

[undeterred]

12. I saw that.

I also find it weird that Dane has more votes than Milwaukee County for Kloppenburg.

[AmBlue]

21. Did you that saw it take screenshots???? n/t

[eowyn_of_rohan]

38. It's great that you saved these notes

having the times & numbers documented may come in handy.

[L. Coyote]

13. Did you capture that?

[AlabamaLibrul]

24. PLEASE take screenshots.

Please.

Full size, don't touch it in Photoshop, even to resize it or it will leave that little tidbit in there and it will be discredited forever.

[City Lights]

28. I saw 2,000 votes disappear from her total last night.

How does that happen?

[eowyn_of_rohan]

32. the Central Tabulator, I would assume...

padding, skimming, flipping votes

[eowyn_of_rohan]

31. If only someone would have known to capture the 2 images.

ho-lee crap. Just like Kerry vs bu$h in 2004. We DO have the before/after screen shots from that.

[undeterred]

4. No.

Its a 50:50 state. Election nights are always hell.

[Snoutport]

5. THere are a couple of counties that have him at 71-73% What's with that?

[janet118]

15. This one bothers me . . . the votes stopped coming in a while ago

Waukesha 130/198 81,255 73% 29,332 27%
..........................Prosser........Kloppenbur


It's like they are holding votes back until everyone goes to sleep.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

33. I dont trust the Waukesha results

Like the "dixiecrat" counties of Florida - they make such a big case that Waukesha is SOLID RED. Then they can MAKE IT SO. Oh, it may be red alright - but 73% red? maybe 64% is the real number....

[glinda]

6. I don't live there but I believe there will be fraud. Caused by the Republicans.

[undeterred]

7. This isn't looking good.

[KaryninMiami]

9. Lots of reasons. I'd say chances are there will be shenagans to put it mildly.

Not just concern henanigans but for genuine, VOTE STEALING. And as long as America is stupid enough to permit elections on machines that cannot be truly verified and where only the manufacturer's employees have access to the source codes (which is how one would know if the machines were rigged), and as long as we buy our machines from vendors who are ALL GOP loyalists (Diebold, ES&S, etc). then yes. We can assume that there will be shenanigans- in the form of approximately 1 1/2 percent skimming off of many precincts. Not enough to have it be blatantly obvious but enough to tip a close election over to the right. This is why we always need a landslide turnout - to compensate for this probability. Concern doesn't even begin to describe how disturbing this is and has been since they introduced those machines in the early 90s.

[liberal life]

16. If they can, they will

http://fucorporatemedia.com/

[mb7588a]

18. Paper ballots across the state. Not likely.

Though in all my years watching WI election results, these are some wacky numbers.

[City Lights]

30. How are the paper ballots counted?

If the paper ballots are scanned, fraud could occur during tabulation.

[jeff47]

37. Which would be caught by the manual audit of random precincts. (nt)

[City Lights]

43. According to link below, that only occurs in a General Election.

http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/template_page.aspx?id=42366

:shrug:

[eowyn_of_rohan]

34. paper ballots counted by Diebold/ES&S on their computers

then the paper ballots are stored in boxes and never again see the light of day unless criteria for hand recount is met... (this is my understanding anyway)

[upi402]

19. History?

We gave Dems a majority to sit on their hands regarding clean elections?????????????????
Oh well, at least we have a strong President who wont stand for that crap one damn second!:eyes:

[Ellipsis]

20. Anything is possible though I think it unlikely.

If they were going to rig the vote they would have made more then a 1/2 percent margin in the vote and I don't think that's going to happen. SO we can a recount that the state would have to pay for if no one concedes.

Also, unlike Ohio when they had the punch card system in 2004, there were central tabulators that you could take control of and could more easily distribute the vote across multiple precincts.

Most of the state uses OP scans, so there is a physical ballot that can be hand counted with relative ease.

[defendandprotect]

22. These GOP voting computers came in during the late 1960's... I'd question every

election back to Nixon/Humphrey --

Was there ever a "Southern Strategy" or just GOP controlled computers?

[snot]

23. Verified Voting does great work on this issue--worth supporting, as well as looking to for info...

at http://www.verifiedvoting.org .

[Common Sense Party]

25. There's always vote fraud when WE lose.

When we win, the machines are working fine, and the election officials are all above board.

But when the pukes win, there had to have been fraud, shenanigans, and corruption. There's no other explanation.

[Horse with no Name]

27. Historically speaking

THEY cheat. THEY manipulate. THEY lie. THEY steal.

It is a question that bears asking because of who THEY are and what THEY do.

THEY have stolen our country through fraudulent use of unverified voting. Voting machines that THEY program.

For the most part, although I won't say that ALL of us, because all of US include some of THEM--unfortunately--but we don't manipulate the election results.
EVERY single voting machine SNAFU favored THEM.
THEIR donors own the machines.

So, yeah, is really is a valid question because of their past bad acts.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

36. not fair. RW companies - ES&S/Diebold tabulate the votes

there are other types of election fraud but I can't see how or why the central tabulators would ever favor a Dem.

[Common Sense Party]

44. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. When THEY win, they're cheating.

[Godhumor]

42. Oh no, even when we win it is only because they couldn't steal enough votes n/t

[Common Sense Party]

45. Why would they be limited in how many votes they steal? n/t

[Zorra]

48. It has to look like it is at least possible. nt

[Zorra]

26. Of course. Electronic voting machines are inherently manipulable. nt

[grahamhgreen]

35. Other than the fact that the opposition has already broken the law?

[eowyn_of_rohan]

40. Repeatedly and Often -nt

[LucasD]

39. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.....

.... make that the state of Wisconsin.

They must think we are blind.

[reformist2]

41. I don't believe all these 50%/50% results. We need to go back to paper ballots.

[L. Coyote]

46. CHART: Anomalous vote shift in Milwaukee County

[slackmaster]

47. It's inevitable that the losing side an any given race is going to accuse the winner of cheating

Unfortunate but true. Especially when the result is close, there will always be some people who refuse to accept that they lost, even when there is no actual evidence of fraud. To some, the fact of losing a count is in itself evidence that someone cheated.

It's human nature not to be able to get our heads around the fact that not everyone agrees with us all the time.