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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:33 PM
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Great - now the House GOP embraces Ryan's economic plans - including a complete phaseout of Medicare
in 10 years. This from the anti any corp regulation gang. Are they serious? This would mean that the only people who can get medical care that won't bankrupt them will be those who can absorb huge bills (for all the "preexisting conditions" that aren't covered.) Add to this the very public work to strip unions of collective bargaining (wages and conditions), the efforts to curtail social security (better start find a way to earn and save an extra 10-20K for retirement a year) and it really does appear that the end goals of these efforts has nothing to do with serving the public, unless serving the public = putting more and more of the public into servitude.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:34 PM
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1. This will help them w/ the senior vote
n/t
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:49 PM
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3. The senior vote that thinks they will not live beyond 10 yrs - secure. The rest
and the near senior vote - and the forty+ vote - IF MADE AWARE and understand - lost to the GOP. But those are big ifs.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:06 PM
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8. And to think those idiots waved posters and attended Teabagger rallies.
I still can't believe it.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 09:24 PM
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12. Some how Karl Rove's crossroads will candycoat it for them
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 09:28 PM
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14. more$$ in your paycheck if no Medicare should do it for most of the braindead voters
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 09:43 PM
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15. Oh, they're not proposing to stop deducting
They just want to turn the pay-out into a voucher that won't even cover barebones insurance.

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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:40 PM
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2. That's a sure-fire way to be out of power for decades.
They aren't that stupid. Close, but not quite.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:51 PM
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4. I don't know - they have become incredibly arrogant that the gen public
won't recognize what their policies actually mean to daily life. They are incredibly (and unbelievably) emboldened in their anti-public/citizens agenda.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:53 PM
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5. It is their disinformation campaign. It seems to work better than expected.
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 07:53 PM by Rex
However, it will all backfire on them evidentially. Sooner or later, the shit will hit the GOP fan.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:56 PM
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6. I hope the blowback happens before any of such policies are forced into reality. Agree
that it is the propaganda campaign that even allows such discussions to go forward while promoting more tax cuts at the highest levels and while the reality of big corps paying NO taxes hits the public awareness.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:00 PM
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7. I bet there are major corporations that will be against this
Many of the big corporations gave lifetime medical benefits to retirees. At least with AT&T, as soon as you are eligible for Medicare, the Medicare policy becomes the primary and the AT&T plan becomes secondary. I would bet this could really change the expected costs of that benefit.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:08 PM
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10. In this day and atmosphere - i doubt that they care - do you doubt that they would
just cancel their "obligation" in a heart beat? That has been the past decades approach to many pension and retirement health care (supplemental) plans.

I think we have entered a surreal phase - where corps feel emboldened to just cut off - and ideological conservatives don't give a damn about the real policy realities of their policies (just just giving the rich donors more Money).

Notice that few in the public conversation are even talking about what this reality would be for citizens - that we have to find a way to earn 10-20K more (3rd, 4th jobs?) that are saved to afford retirement - or that we will have many generations of institutionally impoverished seniors (burden falling on younger families). Surreal.
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:08 PM
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9. is there an article that says this-it'd be great to print out & give to old folks'
homes, community centers, retirement centers, etc.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:12 PM
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11. here - and there are embedded links (to other sources) within the TPM story.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 09:25 PM
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13. Paul Ryan is as Psycho. Too bad they wont be honest about this in commercials and town halls. n.t
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