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RadiationTherapy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:18 PM
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I think Obama is much like Bush in aome allegorical ways.
Both were elected as a beacon of hope for their bases' philosophies.

Both essentially betrayed large chunks of those philosophies in ways that were puzzling for the bases.

Many of their most ardent supporters argued that we must re-elect, despite shortcomings, or elect the opposing philosophy.

Many "held their noses" and re-elected. (pending)

Many in the party felt disillusioned about politics in America after 2 terms of a president who 'represented' their philosophy. (pending)
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:21 PM
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1. You use the term many casually...
Care to explain what you mean by many? Many in what context?
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RadiationTherapy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:28 PM
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4. I don't know; I was just using the word casually, as you said.
I am open to you contributing parameters if you'd like.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:21 PM
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2. They do have some things in common.
Both were/are POTUS*

Both ride on AF1.

Both reside in the Oval Office.

Both have now committed troops to wars in the Middle East.

Both send money to Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Both love and respect Ronald Wilson Reagan.

That is about it, I cannot think of anything else.


After that, they very on a lot of core subjects.



*2000 - Bush was not elected as must as selected by default. Election results are still in contention.
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RadiationTherapy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:26 PM
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3. Do you think conservatives were as surprised at Bush as we are about Obama?
I mean it on that level. A general sense of hope after a great deal of work, then betrayal.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:27 PM
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8. NOPE
They were fully committed to him for nearly his entire (P)residency and stood by him, enabled him, and defended him every.step.of.the.way. Even after his (and the Republican's) repudiation at the polls in 2006, Bush and his supporters simply doubled down and kept doing pretty much everything they were already doing and blocked anything and everything coming his way that the Democratic Party tried to pass that might "embarrass" him.

I'm surprised at how fast a lot of people here seem to have dumped President Obama. Many here jumped shipped over his inauguration or shortly thereafter for one reason or another.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:01 PM
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9. Actually I don't know what you are talking about
all the republicans I know (south Texas) think GWB was the best dam president since Teddy! Very few 'got it' about Bush, because he always appealed to their baser feelings. I felt kinda betrayed after BP, doubt most Republicans even were aware lost so much money under GWB or cared if it didn't affect them personally.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:37 PM
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5. Where did Obama say that he "loves" Ronald Reagan?
I can see respecting the man's ability, but he never professed any great love. Obama's respect stemmed from an amazement at the fact that Reagan was able to con so many people into voting against their own interests because he looked like Ol' Grampykins.
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RadiationTherapy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:30 PM
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6. I remember conservatives re-electing Bush and saying they were 'holding their noses and voting'.
But I never got the impression Obama was amazed at Ronnie's image more than Ronnie's policies.
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robdogbucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:18 PM
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7. The Role Model: What Obama Sees in Reagan

In May 2010, Barack Obama invited a small group of presidential historians to the White House for a working supper in the Family Dining Room. It was the second time he'd had the group in since taking office, and as he sat down across the table from his wife Michelle, the President pressed his guests for lessons from his predecessors. But as the conversation progressed, it became clear to several in the room that Obama seemed less interested in talking about Lincoln's team of rivals or Kennedy's Camelot than the accomplishments of an amiable conservative named Ronald Reagan, who had sparked a revolution three decades earlier when he arrived in the Oval Office. Obama and Reagan share a number of gifts but virtually no priorities. And yet Obama was clearly impressed by the way Reagan had transformed Americans' attitude about government. The 44th President regarded the 40th, said one participant, as a vital "point of reference." Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan's diaries and attended the May dinner, left with a clear impression that Obama had found a role model. "There are policies, and there is persona, and a lot can be told by persona," he says. "Obama is approaching the job in a Reaganesque fashion."

When Obama stood before Congress, the Cabinet and the American people to deliver his second State of the Union address, both the Reagan persona and policies put in appearances. He proposed a freeze in discretionary spending and federal salaries, a push to simplify the tax code and billions in cuts to the defense budget, and he made new calls for a bipartisan effort to repair Social Security. Each of these had been proposed before by another third-year President coming off a midterm defeat in a period of high unemployment. "Let us, in these next two years men and women of both parties, every political shade concentrate on the long-range, bipartisan responsibilities of government," Reagan said in his 1983 State of the Union, "not the short-range or short-term temptations of partisan politics."
(See Reagan in TIME's list of the top 10 memorable debate moments.)


At a glance, it's hard to imagine a President who had less in common with Reagan than the Ivy League lawyer from Hawaii who seeks larger federal investments, a bigger social safety net and new regulations for Wall Street and Big Oil. But under the surface, there is no mistaking Obama's increasing reliance on his predecessor's career as a helpful template for his own. Since the November elections, Obama has brought corporate executives into the White House, reached out to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and made compromise his new watchword. He signed a surprise $858 billion tax cut that would have made Reagan weep with joy and huddled with Reagan's former White House chief of staff Ken Duberstein for lessons learned when the Gipper governed amid economic troubles. Over the Christmas break, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs tweeted that Obama was reading a Reagan biography, and just to confirm the bond, Obama recently wrote an homage to Reagan for USA Today. "Reagan recognized the American people's hunger for accountability and change," Obama wrote, conferring on Reagan two of his most cherished political slogans...
(See "From Actor to Politician: 1966, Ronald Reagan's Pivotal Year.")


...Obama's affection for Reagan's political style carries with it a clear self-interest. White House aides gaze fondly at the arc of the Reagan presidency in part because they pray Obama's will mirror it. Both men entered office in wave elections in which the political center made a historic shift. Both faced deep economic downturns with spiking unemployment in their first term. Both relied heavily on the power of oratory. "Our hope," admits Gibbs, "is the story ends the same way."
(See "The Reagan Revelation.")


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,204457...


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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:02 PM
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10. Thanks, I didn't have time to elaborate.
And on further review, doubt GWB gave a rats ass about Reagan or maybe he was his hero...dunno, but I bet he loved Uncle Reagan and hated Poppy.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 10:31 PM
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12. I still don't see anything that does any more than give Reagan style points.
And let's be fair--if there was one thing the Reagan administration had in abundance it was style points.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 08:06 PM
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11. Other similarities..
... their policies are 90% in sync. They both have the nasty habit of saying one thing and doing something else entirely. The only real difference between the two is Obama is a very accomplished speaker, very convincing and very capable of crafting a message. Unfortunately, the message is all there is.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 10:51 PM
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13. +1
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