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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 03:55 PM
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Why would you want more radiation than you need to have?
And why would it necessarily be acceptable?

IMO, no one should be subjected to more radiation than they need to be: if you eat bananas, or sunbathe, or are exposed during flying, or live in a stone house, or fart in the bathtub and sniff it, then that's your exposure. Clouds of particles coming into the environment are really another thing, however...

My concern is less for we Americans who live thousands of miles away and are subjected to our OWN "misheegoss" and more right now, for the Japanese and other islanders who live dozens of miles away from this spewing nightmare. I have no doubt that we'll be affected by this in many ways as I've outlined in several other posts, but right here, right now, my concern is for the millions whose lives will forever be changed by the proximity of the cloud, the bathing in the seawater, the radioactive particles which make it down into the water table by one route or another, the fruits and vegetables, and even the rain.

Many of the dismissive posts here on DU play down the role which this particular emission (read: catastrophe)has in North America. Fact is, it didn't happen here THIS TIME, but our humanism, our emotionality, our sorrows, go out to the people across the Pacific first. These posters have been trying to negate this entire event from Day 1. To them I say: Sorry, trolls, I have no time for your brand of noxiously creative "spin". It is antithetical to the general good-works of the Site and more-than-somewhat nihilistic and contrary to accepted Humanism.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:02 PM
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1. Because someone somewhere determined what was 'safe' for MOST people!
Just because my Mom died when she was 65 from cancer, and my grandfather died from cancer when he was 55, there's no reason for ME to worry about getting more radiation when MOST people won't get cancer from it!

Everyone is the same! No one is "sensitive" or has some low threshold to it.

It's not like our species evolved over 40 million years to survive a given amount of radiation... We can jack that baby up until just before people's skin falls off.

:sarcasm:
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 05:47 PM
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15. Except that those "clouds" of radiation are far below your normal dose.
The people who are freaking out over 100 Becquerels in a sample of milk don't seem to understand the idea that their own personal body puts out 4,000 Becquerels continuously, every second of every day.

The "safe" levels of radiation are set really quite low.
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StarburstClock Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:06 PM
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2. I agree, I want to hear about all the levels of the radiation around the world
due to the nuclear plant meltdowns, regardless of how severe or minimal the effects may be in any given area. What if, and when, there is a meltdown in the U.S., we will all be more educated about what to do.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:14 PM
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3. I can't resist free offers?
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 04:14 PM by jberryhill

The Japanese are sending us valuable expensive isotopes at no cost whatsoever.

Bargain.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:15 PM
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4. I don't think anyone "wants it", but that's not the issue... the issue the choice we all make.
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 04:18 PM by OneTenthofOnePercent
The first choice is to expend the energy and incurr the stress of reacting hysterically. possibly even going so far as to alter your lifestyle and even spending money to appease these hysterical fears. Handwringing, hyperventilating, turning off our house cirrculation and duct taping our doors at night... :eyes:

The second choice is to accept the fact that, over here in America, the radiation poses no significant health risk - especially on a longer timeline once the disintegration of the short-lived radionuclides. The radiation, when viewed in comparision to natural and biological sources is basically negligable once you get to the eastern US.

Radiation and dosages are all about statistics.
The science and stats really don't support any of level of hysteria in America.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:30 PM
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7. everyone went nutty over the release of iodine 131...
a simple google search would show the really bad shit is iodine 129. 131 is used in medical procedures.thyroid disease is treated by 131 and it is used to cure over doses of 131. anyone alive during the above ground nuke tests has been exposed to 131 and exposed during routine x-rays.

now if 129 is being released we are in deep shit.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:18 PM
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5. They hide behind the mantel of science..
but their science looks more and more like dogma to me.
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jeff47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:19 PM
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6. Ever calculated how much radiation is released every day from a coal plant?
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 04:21 PM by jeff47
Carbon-14 isn't just for dating fossils. And there's plenty of other exciting things coming out that smokestack.

It will be nice when we have a grid that can handle solar and wind generation for all our power needs. But we don't have that now, and won't for a long time. So our options are limited to using a power plant where a very rare event will kill you quickly, or a power plant where everyday operations will kill you slowly.

Personally, I'll take the gamble over the certain death, but I admit not everyone will pick the same.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:48 PM
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10. What? How could anything radioactive possibly be located in rocks?

Pshaw.
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:30 PM
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8. Well put
and those that say it's safe for others don't understand what you posted. More radiation then we already get CAN'T be a good thing.

Peace,
Tex Shelters
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:33 PM
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9. one of the big problems that no one really has a handle on is...
the release of the water from these plants into the ocean. there`s never been a release of radioactive water into the ocean at anywhere near this scale.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 04:49 PM
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11. Except hundreds of these
Edited on Mon Apr-04-11 04:50 PM by jberryhill
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 05:22 PM
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13. Shhh, that never happened...
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 05:48 PM
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16. Not to mention that both we and the Russians have lost entire nuclear subs in the ocean.
Not just a little coolant water--entire nuclear reactors, fuel and all.

But this is unprecedented. :eyes:
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 05:56 PM
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17. Of course I did not mean to imply "the more the merrier"... /nt
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 05:22 PM
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12. Why would I want to breathe car emmissions?
Every moving car or truck emits a cloud of carcinogenic microparticles... little bits of material from the tires and brakes, lubricants, exhaust...


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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 05:24 PM
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14. that's right...
and if I pulled a car spewing a thick black cloud of smoke outside your bedroom at night every night, you'd be justifiably angry and probably try to get me off your block. Imagine going to sleep with radioactive dust all around you b/c these morans put the backup generators in the basement...
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:31 PM
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19. A car in excellent mechanical condition still emits plenty of carcinogens.
Standing at any bus stop I'll be exposed to the carcinogenic fallout of all the passing vehicles.

Seriously, if I was emperor of earth, I'd outlaw private automobiles. It would be at the top of my list. Next I'd ban coal, and maybe then I'd start thinking about what to do with nuclear power plants.

Cars are a very serious public health hazard and have caused immense damage to the natural environment.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:10 PM
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18. k&r&alert for troll accusation
I agree with most of what you write but also believe that spreading anxiety over mis-information is wrong. I know of no one who is arguing they want more radiation than they "need to have". I do see people saying don't panic about the miniscule amounts that we have received yet. I do see people taking the focus off those involved to spin this to their own OMGness.

If only you'd not put in the part about trolls for those who "play down the role which this particular emission has in North America". I would like the focus on those in Japan and areas who are directly affected, and the focus taken off the OMG IT'S HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Does that make me a troll?

So, kick, rec, alert.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 06:41 PM
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20. FYI, there has been some Pizza, not Light in the Piazza,
for some "folks" who came on board to dismiss any criticism of the nuclear power industry. That being said, these same individuals were stating that there was nothing to worry about over there as well, and lumped North America's predicament with respect to this disaster with the Japanese problems which were acutely dangerous to their immediate health, and implied that no one had died from radiation exposure.

The fact of the matter is that any exposure to any carcinogen increases your chances of developing cancer. Period. You may be willing to risk that and we all do to a certain extent. My points all along have been that unnecessary exposure is harmful to a population and that minuscule doses may still have some effect on the population as a whole, despite what the nuclear industry and some persons posting on message boards may want us to think.

Now you can go and "alert" on me all you want...I welcome scrutiny, especially on this subject which is going to cost untold suffering and lives, certainly in Japan, and the surrounding islands, and quite possibly places far far away. Just think: if only one person comes down with a sarcoma in, say England, due to this, and that person happens to be your brother, then you might say that it was unnecessary. then again, you might not...it all depends upon your approach.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:04 PM
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21. Ah, you meant the running stream ts'd jerk. Got it.
That one was nasty, repetitive and glad it is gone. However, still not all who say things aren't omg here are troll.s It is a mess and it is difficult to know who to believe.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:13 PM
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22. Locking
DU does not allow posts that attack other DU members. The last line of the OP focuses on DU members and not ideas:

"These posters have been trying to negate this entire event from Day 1. To them I say: Sorry, trolls, I have no time for your brand of noxiously creative "spin". It is antithetical to the general good-works of the Site and more-than-somewhat nihilistic and contrary to accepted Humanism. "

cally
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