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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:11 PM
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The shelf life of organic milk
Why does organic milk last so much longer than regular milk?

If you’ve ever shopped for milk, you've no doubt noticed what our questioner has: While regular milk expires within about a week or sooner, organic milk lasts much longer—as long as a month.

So what is it about organic milk that makes it stay fresh so long?

Actually, it turns out that it has nothing to do with the milk being organic. All "organic" means is that the farm the milk comes from does not use antibiotics to fight infections in cows or hormones to stimulate more milk production.

Organic milk lasts longer because producers use a different process to preserve it. According to the Northeast Organic Dairy Producers Alliance, the milk needs to stay fresh longer because organic products often have to travel farther to reach store shelves since it is not produced throughout the country.

The process that gives the milk a longer shelf life is called ultrahigh temperature (UHT) processing or treatment, in which milk is heated to 280 degrees Fahrenheit (138 degrees Celsius) for two to four seconds, killing any bacteria in it.

Compare that to pasteurization, the standard preservation process. There are two types of pasteurization: "low temperature, long time," in which milk is heated to 145 degrees F (63 degrees C) for at least 30 minutes*, or the more common "high temperature, short time," in which milk is heated to roughly 160 degrees F (71 degrees C) for at least 15 seconds.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=experts-organic-milk-lasts-longer


But with radiation, yowza....
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:17 PM
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1. Why do adults even drink milk?
ok, a little cream in the coffee, I get that. But drinking a glass of milk? ewwwww.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:19 PM
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2. Would you put orange juice on your Frosted Flakes?
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:21 PM
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4. No, but I wouldn't eat frosted flakes nor recommend anyone else does either
but if you have to eat them, there are plenty of alternative to milk. Soy milk or almond milk actually have nutritional value and are pretty tasty too.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:23 PM
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8. Soy makes me fart so bad they call the fire department for gas Oder in the building
sorry, I prefer good old whole milk on my sugary Frosted Flakes and NOW Frosted Rice Krispies too.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 01:32 AM
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45. There is also the whole 'cost' issue some of us deal with.
Add to that the whole thing with the soy 'hormone' concern and you can see why so many have reservations.

Frankly, I'm totally happy with the idea of human female breast milk, but society considers that 'icky' and my mom is starting to get concerned.

^_^
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 02:00 AM
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46. I can't remember the last time I had a glass of milk.
But, every now and then, a big bowl of Frosted Flakes or Cap'n Crunch with cold fresh milk just hits the spot. (I also eat a small amount of meat on occasion even though most of the time I really don't care for it.)

For the life of me, I don't understand why anyone would criticize someone else's food choices. Can you explain it to me? It is so offensive. Like preaching religion. Or picketing women's clinics.

People who drink milk by the glass do so, I would assume, because they like it. It is a personal choice. I can't imagine how insulting that choice would benefit anyone.
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MikeW Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 05:37 PM
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61. drink too much soy milk you'll be wearing a manzier
:rofl:
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:06 AM
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35. One time at band camp...
No wait. Actually, it was at the Colorado River...

I had Budweiser on my cornflakes on a hungover Saturday morning. It was awesome and made my hangover go away for a few hours so I could water ski.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:18 AM
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43. Had a friend in high school who made her Frosted Flakes with Coca-Cola. Teeth didn't last long.
Edited on Thu Mar-31-11 12:18 AM by freshwest
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:20 PM
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3. It tastes good, and is a good source of vitamin D and protein.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:28 PM
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14. Cow's milk is not a naturally rich source for vitamin d. It is "fortified" or added
to the milk, so drinking milk is the same as taking a vitamin d supplement. The best natural source is of course sunlight.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:21 PM
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5. The only people who should be drinking milk are baby cows n/t
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:31 PM
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16. exactly. that's who it's made for...n/t
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:20 AM
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44. Puts a lot of weight on the calves very quickly.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:22 PM
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6. Uh? Oreo cookies????!!!!!!! Hello! You cannot eat an Oreo cookie without MILK.
It's just not possible.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:24 PM
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9. OMG OMG OREOS
I must find now
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:58 PM
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22. Yyeesss!!!
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:28 PM
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13. yep that's why
:)
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:32 PM
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17. Try it with almond milk. You will never go back. Almond milk, especially the vanilla
flavor, is delicious with cookies. Almond milk is far superior to cow's milk in taste and nutritional value.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:37 PM
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20. Is almond milk sweet? I'm not fond of sweet drinks.
Though I do have a sweet tooth for things like Oreos. :)
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:44 PM
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21. The Silk brand makes various flavors of almond milk. They have an unsweetened version
that is very good, as well as original, chocolate and vanilla. The chocolate and vanilla have a sweetness to them, but it's not overwhelming or anything. You can find Silk Almond Milk in the refrigerated section now of many grocery stores, near the regular milk usually. I absolutely love it, and everyone I've told about it who has tried it goes crazy for it. I use it exactly like milk--in cereal,cooking, etc.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:54 AM
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50. YUM. I like Silk Soy Milk...regular and their chocolate.
I will definitely try their almond milk someday. Thanks! :hi:
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:01 PM
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24. Homemade is not sweet if you don't add sugar.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:01 PM
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23. Love it. Kind of a bear to make at home. Storebought can be just as good, tho'.
I can't do much cookies (sigh) but great with granola.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:08 PM
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27. Yes, I buy Silk or sometimes Almond Breeze. They're both very good. nt
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:10 AM
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38. We like those too n/t
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:30 PM
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15. you're right.
humans are the only animals that think they need to drink mother's milk into adulthood.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:33 PM
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19. what else would you put on your oatmeal?
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:03 PM
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25. Almond or rice milk.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:10 PM
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28. don't like the aftertaste
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:09 AM
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37. Actually I don't put any form of milk in oatmeal. Not trying to preach, either.
Edited on Thu Mar-31-11 12:13 AM by freshwest
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:34 PM
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30. cheerios. every morning. and i dont want almond... whatever. nt
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:59 PM
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54. it's actually pretty good nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:01 PM
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55. it sounds sweet. i am so particular about my milk. very fussy
i will haev to try it sometime
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:17 PM
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63. If you get unsweetened, it's definitely NOT sweet
:)

I could only find the flavored, sweetened kind before & it was ok, but I'm glad I finally found some almond milk that's unflavored & unsweetened.

dg
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:11 AM
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39. Ummm....because it tastes good?
You may not like the taste, OK, but I sure do!
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:16 AM
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42. Habits, belief systems and advertising?
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:26 PM
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64. Try organic no fat
It's great with cereal, coffee or all alone!!!!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:23 PM
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7. I keep whole milk for at least 3 weeks. Long enough for me.
It basically never spoils before I finish it.

I'm wondering if the fat content has something to do with shelf life?
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:27 PM
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12. Yes, it does. For example, heavy (whipping) cream lasts longer than whole
milk, which in turn stays fresh longer than skim milk.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:14 AM
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41. Interesting, I noticed that too. Ghee lasts a long time, also.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:24 PM
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10. Jack Daniels lasts longer.
Actually no it doesn't. A bottle lasts about two days for me.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:25 PM
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11. My milk just shot out my nose, thanks
you made a funny
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:33 PM
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18. See? You found another use for milk.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:05 PM
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26. My organic fruits and vegetables last longer, too. I always try for local.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:19 PM
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29. What is it about this thread that makes me crave
cornbread and buttermilk?

My body. My choice.

Dairy in moderation is no great offense.

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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:11 AM
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40. How about cornbread and chili. It's cold outside.
What does buttermilk taste like? I've never had it.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 10:50 AM
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51. It tastes
a little bit like plain yogurt. It's a fermented dairy product. Best use is for baking in my opinion. But some folks drink it and butttermilk and cornbread is a traditional meal in the South and much of the Mid-West.

You can make your own buttermilk by adding 1 tbsp of lemon juice to 8 fluid ounces of milk and leaving for ten minutes.

Teh Food Network lists these buttermilk recipes:
http://www.foodnetwork.com/topics/buttermilk/index.html

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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:10 PM
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57. I hadn't thought about cornbread and buttermilk in years.
My Texan grandfather used to eat it. I never saw the attraction but he sure enjoyed it.

Thanks to your post I'm reliving earlier simpler times at my grandparents' dining room table. Thanks.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 05:08 PM
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58. I've come to believe
that some of the best foods are simple foods - especially when shared and enjoyed with those we love.

Treasure those memories and hold them close.
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SixString Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:44 PM
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31. What's the shelf life of a DU Donor that stocks up on UHt Milk?
Edited on Wed Mar-30-11 11:48 PM by SixString
When bullied?
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:57 PM
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33. You mean *half* life
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SixString Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:59 PM
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34. Hardly.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 02:35 AM
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47. Three GBCWs. And counting. nt
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:53 PM
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32. ?
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:08 AM
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36. Raw Milk
is better for you

even organic is not that great if it's pasteurized, the heat kills a lot of the nutrition

most states it's not legal though
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 02:52 AM
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48. Goat milk
I remember raw milk and goat milk. Asia uses UHT all the time. Doesn't need refrigeration and great shelf life.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:21 AM
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49. Try almond milk. It's great on cereal and an unopened box lasts for months
in the cupboard.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 11:00 AM
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52. I rarely drink milk, but I need it for baking
I love to bake (eventhough I don't really eat a bunch of sweets). I'd switched to only organic milk probably 10 years ago after doing a project on rBGH. Plus organic milk tends to come in cardboard containters and not plastic (another bonus).
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:53 PM
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53. i NOTICED THAT TOO, waxed cardboard, the old fashioned way (post bottles)
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:01 PM
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56. I prefer soy milk. Doesn't even require refrigeration until it's opened.
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 05:13 PM
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59. After working in a milk processing plant for 7 years,
I now drink soy or almond milk. Cows milk bleeech x(
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 05:16 PM
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60. same thing for non-organic heavy cream....ultra-pasteurized & long shelf life
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 05:47 PM
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62. Don't try making cheese out of it, though
The UHT process fucks up the milk so you can't get a curd out of it.

What I don't understand about organic milk: The UHT process was invented so milk could be shipped and stored without refrigeration. Go to a European grocery store that sells it, and they display it on general merchandise shelving (or, more likely, on a wingstack in the middle of the aisle, which is where the Butter Beck stores in Berlin kept it). Once it's opened it must be refrigerated, but not until then. But in the US, the UHT-processed organic milk requires refrigeration throughout its supply chain. Why is that?
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