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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:21 AM
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How long before we have Special Operations Forces "training" the Libyan rebels?
My bet is that they're already there. I'm sure that we have US Special Forces and British SAS working alongside the rebels in an "advisory" capacity. After all, this is precisely what these forces were originally designed for.
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:26 AM
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1. Hard to say, sir, but IHMO...
the sooner the better. Clearly the Libyan rebels need all the help they can get. British papers have been reporting the presence of their SAS for several days now, though they claim they're there to secure mustard gas, SA missile sites and British petro workers.
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Cognitive_Resonance Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 01:50 PM
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17. +1 nt
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Marblehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:26 AM
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2. Worked well in Vietnam..
:shrug:
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:27 AM
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3. the rebel leader is probably a cia asset....Khalifa Hifter
he's spent much of the past 20 years living down the street from cia hq

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/03/26/111109/new-rebel-...
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:09 AM
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7. +1. I wonder when then MSM is going to cover the story of his background n/t
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 12:50 PM
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9. Right after they cover the stories of Chalabi and Karzai n/t
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:30 AM
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4. Hopefully not now or ever.
The US, of course, should stay out of Libya, just as Libya should stay out of the US. We don't need any more blowback from US midadventures.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 10:35 AM
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5. Just before the "temporary" buildup, but before the "surge" to try to save the FUBAR.
The excuses, regrets, and "mistakes were made" will come shortly after the monument to the dead is erected and the new bogeyman is found.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:05 AM
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6. Most probably the question would be "How long since" n/t
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 12:48 PM
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8. The UK already has them in Libya
though who knows what they are actually doing while there? :shrug:
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 01:03 PM
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10. How long? More like how long have they been. Rec'd n/t
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 01:05 PM
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11. Probably Happening Already, Sir
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 01:09 PM
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13. That's my bet.
In fact, that's one of the jobs Special Ops forces are trained to do - hook up with locals out on the battlefield, train them, advise them, drill them up on military tactics. And maybe hook them up with some weapons.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 03:58 PM
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20. Libya: Obama authorized covert support for rebels
Libya: Obama authorized covert support for rebels

Xeni Jardin at 1:24 PM Wednesday, Mar 30, 2011

Reuters reports that President Barack Obama signed a no-longer "secret order" authorizing covert U.S. government support for rebel forces attempting to overthrow Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi. The approval came weeks ago, but news "leaks" today as the administration considers sending arms and military support directly to the opposition forces.

http://www.boingboing.net/2011/03/30/libya-obama-author...

Hotlink goes to Reuters:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/30/us-libya-usa-...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 01:08 PM
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12. NATO Chief Opens The Door to Libya Ground Troops

NATO Chief Opens The Door to Libya Ground Troops
* By Spencer Ackerman Email Author
* March 29, 2011

The mantra, from President Obama on down, is that ground forces are totally ruled out for Libya. After all, the United Nations Security Council Resolution authorizing the war explicitly rules out any occupation forces. But leave it to the top military officer of NATO, which takes over the war on Wednesday, to add an asterisk to that ban.

During a Senate hearing on Tuesday, Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island asked Adm. James Stavridis about NATO putting forces into post-Gadhafi Libya to make sure the country doesnt fall apart. Stavridis said he wouldnt say NATOs considering it yet. But because of NATOs history of putting peacekeepers in the Balkans as pictured above the possibility of a stabilization regime exists.

So welcome to a new possible endgame for Libya. Western troops patrolling Libyas cities during a a shaky transition after Moammar Gadhafis regime has fallen, however thats supposed to happen. Thousands of NATO troops patrolled Bosnia and Kosovos tense streets for years. And Iraq and Afghanistan taught the U.S. and NATO very dearly that fierce insurgent conflict can follow the end of a brutal regime. In fact, its the moments after the regime falls that can be the most dangerous of all especially if well-intentioned foreign troops become an object of local resentment.

In fact, Stavridis told Sen. James Inhofe of Oklahoma that he saw flickers of intelligence indicating al-Qaeda Hezbollah have fighters amongst the Libyan rebels. The Supreme Allied Commander of NATO noted that the leadership of the rebels are responsible men and women struggling against Col. Gadhafi and couldnt say if the terrorist element in the opposition is significant. But the U.S. knows precious little about who the Libyan rebels are.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/03/nato-chief-open...
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ProgressIn2008 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 01:12 PM
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14. I expect, in the middle of Obama's second term, to find that they've been there since early 2011.
Edited on Wed Mar-30-11 01:13 PM by ProgressIn2008
Media will be "shocked."

Nothing will come of it, since by that time, we'll have found a new war.

Edited to ponder: are their boots hitting the ground, I wonder, or are they suspended above it?
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 01:35 PM
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15. My bet is the same. Remember this story from Feb 2010?
3 U.S. Special Forces Die in Pakistan Bombing
Officials Believe Vehicle Carrying Americans in Convoy Was Targeted by Bombers

BY NICK SCHIFRIN AND HABIBULLAH KHAN
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Feb. 3, 2010

Three U.S. special operations forces helping train Pakistan's embattled paramilitary corps were killed today when their vehicle was destroyed by a remote control bomb, the deadliest ever attack on Americans in Pakistan.

More than 20 special operations forces are in Pakistan to train the Frontier Corps, the historically under-equipped and ill-trained force fighting the Taliban in Pakistan's volatile northwest. The training program has been acknowledged by the Pakistani military but is rarely publicized because of fears it will stoke rising anti-American sentiment.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/us-military-die-pak...
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 01:47 PM
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16. Probably already do.
We just don't know about it...yet.
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 02:01 PM
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18. Not "Special Forces"
"Private Contractors"
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 02:04 PM
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19. Probably, just after the "Mission Accomplished" announcement.
But, before the "temporary" escalation or "surge".
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 04:10 PM
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21. +1
I completely agree.
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