11-year-old girl gang raped in Calif park bathroom

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(03-28) 05:48 PDT Moreno Valley, Calif. (AP) --

Investigators say seven gang members raped an 11-year-old girl in a California park bathroom.

The Riverside Press-Enterprise says the girl was gang raped in the bathroom at Moreno Valley's Victoriano Park on March 10. Sheriff's Investigator Matt Diaz says there are no other details in the case, which wasn't made public until Sunday.

Six juvenile gang members have been arrested and booked at Riverside County juvenile hall for investigation of sexual assault on a child.

Detectives are still looking for a seventh man, 19-year-old Michael Sykes, who is believed to be hiding in Los Angeles.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/03/28/state/n054842D41.DTL

[Le Taz Hot]

1. So, what is this?

A new gang initiation now? Raping 11-year-olds? Beating up homeless people wasn't quite thrilling enough? Setting people's houses on fire? Opening fire in city parks while children are playing? Oops! 2-year-old got shot and killed. My bad! When did so many young people become such punk-ass losers?

[TxVietVet]

4. Let's see. Rap-crap music, which sux, promotes the gangster lifestyle.

I'm sure I'll be called racist for that. But, I've never seen what is the attraction to this type of music that demeans women, glorifies being a thug and a gang banger. What is it? The music industry pushes that sh!t. Have you ever listened to what they are pushing for country music? It's not much better. I don't listen to most radio stations. It's our media. We obviously allow that. Now, if an African-American woman was to get up at the music industries' Grammy Awards show and say something like that, which is the truth, she would be banned from recording and they would ban her records
So, it just keeps going on and on. I've watched some documentaries about gangs and gang life and I swear those people are so ate up with the dumb ass you can hear it chomping on them as they stand there.

Instant celebrity. That's got to be the connection also. No one works for their money. Drop out of school, if you ever went, sell dope, breed and believe that you won't live past 30. What a friggin' life.

What's the appeal?

[seabeyond]

9. then throw in

the world of porn in all its obsessiveness of exteme

[Iggo]

10. Gang rape of an 11 yr old has nothing to do with rap music. (n/t)

[blondeatlast]

11. Of course it does; you know the evil Elvis and his hips brought to the world.

We're still trying to recover from that...

[Yavin4]

17. Yes, It's All Porn and Rap Music's Fault. Let's Not Blame Poor Parenting

or a culture that keeps telling people to procreate whether or not they're emotionally and financially stable enough to bring children into the world.

[seabeyond]

19. my bad. didnt read your whole statement. sorry. nt

[Yavin4]

24. Wrong. Don't Mis-Interpret My Post.

The parents of the suspects DID NOT do their job of raising these young men. They shoulder the blame more than the "media". My point about pro-creating is that we tell people to go out and have children even though they are not capable of raising children, which this case proves.

This case is an example of poor parenting by the parents of these suspects.

[seabeyond]

33. i edited my post a good couple minutes before your reply

and i agree with you

[Atypical Liberal]

38. "poor parenting"

Let's not forget, however, that a lot of urban youth, particularly black urban youth, are now being raised fatherless, due to the disproportionate attack on blacks while prosecuting the "war on drugs".

[Maru Kitteh]

61. Perhaps we can entertain the idea that all may play a role?

It's not just bad parenting... plenty of people survive that perfectly well.

It's not just porn and a porn-saturated culture... plenty of responsible adults enjoy occasional porn without suffering a twisted psyche or ruined relationship.

It's not just that some rap routinely denigrates women and glorifies gang life. Plenty of people listen to all different kinds of rap and lead healthy lives.


More often it's a perfect storm of factors like these and others that combine in the most vulnerable among us and contribute to the formation of a caste of disposables.

[jeff47]

23. The appeal of Rap is that you hate it.

Much like the appeal of Rock and Roll in the 50's was parents hated it.

"What's the appeal?"
What's the other option? It's not like these areas are flooded with high-paying jobs.

Let's see...get rich and live well until 30, or live in a shithole until 60. I wonder which one kids are gonna pick, with their almost universal sense of immortality...

[Upton]

25. Rap music is at fault?

Oh boy. How about we put the blame were it really belongs..on the perpetrators of this nasty act..

[KamaAina]

29. Not all rap is gangsta

some of it is still what it was meant to be, a voice of the oppressed. An example is "krip-hop", rap by people with disabilities. Believe it!

[Quantess]

62. There is even "Christian rap", so I heard.

I can't even imagine how awful that would sound, but, at least we know that rap cannot be pigeonholed.

[LynneSin]

31. Kids get raped in rural white USA too - should we blame country music for that

:crazy:

[Keith Bee]

39. Good point

[jberryhill]

41. Pipe organ music, probably

That's what makes the priests do it.

[Liberal_in_LA]

55. +10. It surprises me how often on DU, crimes involving non whites bring out racial comments

just like the rest of the web. You'd think DUers would be more aware.

[Atypical Liberal]

37. "rap music" is not the same thing as advocating thuggery

Not all rap music advocates a thug life.

[jberryhill]

40. Gregorian chants and hymns are what drive priests to pedophilia

Think about it. Gregorian chants have much the same structure as rap music and - boom - pedophiles out the wazoo!

That and the baggy vestments.

[Codeine]

42. I think the real problem is

pedophiles IN the wazoo, actually. :evilgrin:

[Kerrytravelers]

43. Those of us who have taught in urban areas where poverty pervails have a different perspective.

Many of my students were children of gang members. And these gang members grew up in areas where people were so poor, and had so little access to education and opportunity, selling crack beats starving.

It's heartbreaking.

[Liberal_in_LA]

54. gang rape happens without rap music.

[WatsonT]

30. Rape is a longstanding gang initation tradiation

[LisaL]

64. From what police are quoted as saying, female gang members

are sometimes raped as part of gang initiation. This time it's alleged there was a little innocent girl raped.

[LiberalFighter]

2. Those are the type of scum that should be castrated and then left in the cage of hyenas.

[Beacool]

3. What the heck is going on??????????

This is the second 11 year old child gang raped by gang members (the other incident happened in TX).

Have we deteriorated so much as a society that it's now a trend to gang rape children?

Sometimes this world makes me ill......

x(

[TxVietVet]

5. It's the glamorous gangster lifestyle, I guess.

[Yavin4]

20. No. It's Poor Parenting.

Poor child rearing.

[jberryhill]

44. Naw, it's the shameless media promotion of the Catholic Priest lifestyle

[Bosso 63]

6. I feel like throwing up now.

[Ilsa]

7. And you can bet there are people out there that will make this all her fault. nt

[old mark]

8. Yeah, that was my first thought, too..."She was asking for it..."...I have little doubt someone

will be saying that in comments on this somewhere.
All the attackers but one were juveniles, too-very bad all around...


mark

[ThomCat]

13. If they can't blame her, they'll blame her parents

for letting her be in that bathroom alone.

Always blame everyone except the guys who actually committed the rape. Isn't that usually the way the blame gets thrown around?

:cry:

[jillan]

16. Yes - she had to go to the bathroom. Shame on anyone that blames this girl.

[Evolve_Already]

12. Ohh Baby!

Those Dora the Explorer pajamas must be quite the aphrodisiac to these male humans.

This young girls life has been ruined. Thanks bros.

((((little girl)))

[2gabby]

14. But i wouldn't trust me on a jury

I want to blame our pediphile culture. Or its at least a symptom. What I mean is, I think the standard of beauty for adult women is childlike in appearance, along with behavior. Who else is exceptionally thin, baby-faced, and mostly hairless, except for on top of the head? Young girls are the only ones that really look that way. And boys. Preying on the young. I could go on, but I'll fight the urge.

I don't know what to do with humans capable of this horror.

[seabeyond]

18. there have been men on du say... once hit puberty, free game. game? ya. how about 10?

i didnt get a comment. but, i also didnt see men jump on the mens ass either for saying

once hit puberty, free game. i have heard it outside of du, too. seems to be the comment to be said, with a group of men.

and that

is the sick of it

they see them as "women" once they hit puberty. their right.... to be predator

[2gabby]

47. or even before puberty, sexualized children, they look "normal" now. nt

[Yavin4]

22. "I want to blame our pediphile culture. " What?! Please, Spare Me

It's the fault of the parents for these suspects. It's their primary duty to teach their children right from wrong. Where the hell are they?

[Ed Suspicious]

28. These little bastards know right from wrong.

It's the little bastards who rape, not their parents who are at fault.

[2gabby]

48. I agree w/ previous comment

I hardly believe the parents meant to teach their boys it was okay to rape.

But how do I really know? How do we know where this perverted behavior comes from? It's not exactly isolated. And frankly, I doubt they even knew how old she was. They probably didn't ask.

[jeff47]

27. Yeah right

Women have been reducing/eliminating body hair since antiquity.

The desirable body shape has varied based on what shape is most expensive to procure. It used to be very heavy and pale, because only the wealthy could afford a life with ample food and little physical activity while staying indoors most of the time. Post-industrialization, it changed to thin and tan, because only the wealthy could afford to work out frequently and spend a lot of leisure time outside.

Plus, men aren't nearly as dumb as your theory portrays them.

[2gabby]

49. yeah and who cares

Way to get defensive.

Yes, women and men have historically managed all manner of cosmetic procedures. The extreme I'm talking about is baby-like hairless as a norm. Editing to add, hairless thin people look like children, its a fact to recognize. l think its a symptom of a sick society. I understand you think its normal, and I don't agree with you.

I do agree that beauty standards are a lot more based on what is more wealthy than anything else.

And BTW, I don't believe I singled out men in my theory, did I? I didn't mean to. Should I? It's cultural dumbness I'm blaming, though I don't remember calling anyone dumb.

[jeff47]

50. The problem is you claim this is a new phenomenon in order to blame it on modern culture

It is not. As I said above, women have been reducing body hair forever. It's been going on long enough to affect our evolution. There's no natural reason for women to have less body hair on average than men. Yet they do. So most likely our ancestors selected for women with less body hair. Meaning reduced body hair isn't some new "we are all pedophiles now" phenomenon of our culture.

As for thin, that came about with the industrial revolution. The poor became fat because they weren't laboring in the fields all day. Thus the wealthy showed off how thin and fit they are. Again, being like a child isn't the reason. Being like the rich is.

As for the inherent sexual bias, you discussed how women were supposed to look like children. Presumably to attract men, since only about 10% of the population is homosexual. Thus your theory rests on the idea that men are secret pedophiles, seeking out only women that look like children. And I really have a hard time believing you never noticed that your theory requires men to be horrible people.

[2gabby]

53. Well I wasn't going to let women off the hook

When you said "There's no natural reason for women to have less body hair on average than men. Yet they do. So most likely our ancestors selected for women with less body hair. Meaning reduced body hair isn't some new "we are all pedophiles now" phenomenon of our culture."
And all that, I'm sorry but I'm not familiar with that theory at all.

I'm familiar with weight and size variations depending on resources. It doesn't mean I'm wrong in wondering what motivates our current trends.

Oh I'm not saying men are secret pedophiles, I think plenty are up front and proud to be with young looking women. Why they don't realize they're basically looking at twelve year olds, its just something I think is curious, and may be a symptom of what I can best describe as a cultural problem. It's not ONLY women who look like children, just, too many. Too much. Too far away from what's real. Society in denial? Something.

As far as it being a mostly male problem, I'm not sure how to tie them into the problem exactly. What do you want me to say? Women are pedophiles too? If that helps, okay. But I don't think they're having the same influence at all.

[jeff47]

63. Except you are letting women of the hook

Inherent in your theory is that the men want to have sex with children. Women are, at worst, enablers.

The reason I keep going back to the thin and less body hair arguments is that is the only basis for your "Men are now pedophiles" theory. Your attack is based on reduced body hair and thin being a new trend. The fact that it's not new would seem to indicate your theory has a problem.

And we're still ignoring the other problem with your theory, that it requires all men to be scumbags.

"I'm familiar with weight and size variations depending on resources. It doesn't mean I'm wrong in wondering what motivates our current trends."

First you'd have to come up with a reason why current trends are no longer motivated by the same reasons. The rich are still thin and tan, because we worker drones are in an office or a factory all day and thus can't spend as much time exercising and being outside. And as far as I know, there's never been a time in human history where women sought to increase their body hair. Wigs were occasionally common, but not some sort of artificial arm hair, for example.

"And all that, I'm sorry but I'm not familiar with that theory at all."
Well, in apes and chimpanzees, males and females have essentially equal quantities of body hair. So somewhere along the line, humans evolved females with less body hair on average than men. Given that both sexes were exposed to the same environmental conditions, there's little reason to believe there is a "natural" cause for this to evolve. That leaves selection by our ancestors as the only alternative.

It's a little like the existence of breasts. They are unique to humans. Female apes and chimps are flat chested. There is some swelling when they are nursing, but nothing on the scale of what human females develop, and they return to flat chested when no longer nursing. And there's no natural advantage to having breasts. They take a lot of energy to make, the fat in them is not used to produce milk, and they can get in the way. Yet human females have 'em. So the best guess is our ancestors selected for breasts.

An example of a sex difference with a natural advantage is wide hips. They allow humans to have larger babies, which leads to lower infant mortality, especially in a pre-history environment.

[closeupready]

15. More symptomatology of a society in decline.

nt

[seabeyond]

21. +1. nt

[ZombieHorde]

26. Some days I feel sympathetic towards the pro-capital punishment crowd.

So fucked up.

[jeff47]

34. Why?

If your goal is to punish more severely, I can't think of a better sentence than life without parole. Capitol punishment means the punishment stops relatively quickly.

[hedgehog]

32. Truth to tell, I think this crime has been with us forever. Ever read

any history? Whenever a victorious army comes into an area, gang rape is routine.

My opinion? It's what happens when an all male group sees women as not being human.

[seabeyond]

35. what happens when an all male group sees women as not being human.

bottom line...

[Shandris]

45. Rape is an act of power.

If, as you theorize, they 'don't see them as human', then the power angle is gone. Perhaps the intent is more towards accomplishing dehumanization as a result of the act, which is a form of power.

A strictly theory-related post, obviously. The act itself is likewise obviously disgusting and beyond defense of any kind.

[seabeyond]

46. you couldnt rape, if you dont dehumanize.... nt

[Javaman]

36. Once upon a time...

society would blame this kind of act as something from a dysfunction family.

Lack of parenting, lack of role models, not understanding boundaries, etc...

It seems to me that we now are experiencing a dynamic of a dysfunctional society.

It's not rap, it's not video games or whatever else, it appears as if it's an overarching influence upon societal behavior.

Where once certain things were considered "immoral" or "unethical" are now getting blurred. It appears now that in certain parts of society various "fringe acts of violence" appear to be slowly accepted into the mainstream.

I point no finger at any particular socio-economic group, because this kind of horrible behavior seems to cross all bounds of status, or economic level.

Is it too much violence on TV? Is it lack of parenting skills? Is it an over stress society who hasn't the will to deal with horrible acts? Is it a generational thing?
Is it the general dumbing down of society?

All of these various questions arise from trends and how they become the accepted norm. Pushing the envelope so to say.

Or is it a general "desensitizing" of society via the constant depiction of violence that allow violent acts to become an accepted part of life?

3 wars now, people who are only held accountable when the crime they commit only hurts the rich, war crimes, torture, killing civilians, etc...

When does society say no to violence?

I'm not talking about parents "outraged" over rap lyrics or first person shooter games, I'm referring to the daily parade of glorifying violent acts as "news".

People going postal, kids shooting up high schools, police chase videos, shoot out videos, glorifying death, etc.

When does that stuff stop? When do we choose to look at the cause instead of flailing about by treating the symptoms?

When education is properly funded, when poverty of both body and mind are dealt with, when being poor is no longer criminalized, things will improve.

Society is no longer held accountable. We point fingers at everything else but the willful institutionalization of creating a society of reactionary dolts whose only need is immediate gratification to what ever they need or want at that exact moment.

It's this pervasive mentality that (as I stated above) is going from the fringe elements to mainstream.

Something is allowing it. Something promotes it. Something makes it famous. Something gets off on it. Something profits from it.

[LadyHawkAZ]

51. I'm sure she was dressed inappropriately

and drew the poor boys in.

Just like that other oversexed 11 year old in Texas did.

:sarcasm:

[FooshIt]

52. White people probably do this more than minorities

before anyone starts thinking this a race thing.

[WildEyedLiberal]

59. I think YOU just made it a "race thing." n/t

[derby378]

56. I see California's gun-control laws are keeping roving gangs of rapists at bay

Oh, wait - they're not.

Not that I'm advocating 11-year-old girls carry concealed weapons, but every time someone tries to bonk me over the head about gun-friendly states having more crime than states with strong gun-control laws, all I have to do is point them towards news stories like this and they tend to clam up real fast.

[undeterred]

57. So is gang rape getting to be some kind of American pastime?

Can we start castrating the men who do this please? First time offenders, please?

[Liberal_in_LA]

58. Sad detail - older girl led her to rape

The 11-year-old was approached by the older girl, whom she knew, at a shopping center on the afternoon of March 10 and was led to the park where the male gang members were waiting to assault her, Lt. Chad Bianco told the Riverside Press-Enterprise.

"It appears what happened is they were looking for a victim," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/28/moreno-valley-gang-rape-michael-sykes_n_841648.html

[joe_sixpack]

60. It's time to go after the gang problem

as fervently as the "war on terror". No holds barred. Round all these sick bastards up, and put them in cages like the dogs they are.