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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 11:54 PM
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I've asked this before without much of a response?

Why doesn't the DU have a PAC?

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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 11:56 PM
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1. Good question for "Ask the Admin.", Steve.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 11:56 PM
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2. That might be a question for ATA.
I suppose DU doesn't have one because the Admins didn't want to go that way...

But what do I know?

:shrug:
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 11:56 PM
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3. Ooooooooh....good question!
I don't know the answer, but I love the idea.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-11 11:59 PM
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4. Are we starting one? I think we'll need two!
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 12:09 AM
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5. Steve, that sounds good.
Edited on Fri Mar-25-11 12:11 AM by freshwest
Right now I'm getting fundraising emails from Bob Fertik, one Dem I always agree with on issues. I'm also getting appeals from my Dem senator and from Biden, etc. about a deadline to get some funds to a certain level to increase Dems in Congress.

If DU doesn't go to the dark side, I'm in, for what it's worth. Other than Fertik, I don't know if I'm just being kept busy, you know?

Since DU is set up to be for progressives and liberals at last mission statement, this would be good ground for change. And would help get the party back where it belongs.

Can the site be set up that way legally?

I thought it was registered as a non-profit organization, but I don't think PACs qualify, even if they are not a commercial venture. And DU is making money enough to stay online with the ads, no doubt.

More saavy people would have to detail how it works and contact the Administrators.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 12:13 AM
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6. Non-profits orgs
still have PACs. The money just needs to raised separately and managed separately. For instance NARAL has 501 C4 and a political action committee.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 12:15 AM
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7. Okay, then it should be presented, huh? Do we get to vote on it?
Sorry, but I am new here, just wish I'd been here years ago.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 12:16 AM
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8. What are our core issues?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 12:18 AM
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9. When we can agree on one goddam thing
we should consider that.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 12:33 AM
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10. I think it is probably because Skinner and Co. have their hands full just running the site.
There's just loads of work to do to start and sustain a PAC.

Then there's always the quandry of which candidates and issues to support.

DUers aren't always the easiest group to reach a consensus.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 12:35 AM
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11. Probably a financial nightmare that the admins do not want to take on, in addition
to the responsibilities of running this site.

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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 12:35 AM
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12. Steve, I asked Skinner about that
Paraphrasing from memory - they looked into it and decided it was not a good idea.

I also wondered why there isn't a DU Podcast, FWIW.

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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-11 01:27 PM
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13. Been thinking and it all goes back to those Will Rogers quotes most know by heart:
"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."

"Democrats never agree on anything, that's why they're Democrats. If they agreed with each other, they would be Republicans."

It seems the only time we do get organized, it's some corporate takeover and sham that turns us into GOP-lite. That's what makes the Democratic Party divided, keeps voters away from the polls and emboldens our enemies on the right.

This recent teabagger take over wasn't because their ideas or mantra appeal to the majority. It was because that same corporate media that grew from the Clinton impeachment and Ken Starr Chamber, that cheered on the invasion of Iraq and gives us false choices within a set of boundaries that are more to the right than the majority.

Because the nation is being bathed with the corporate view 24/7, and I do mean that, and in every venue, as they've taken over and present really only one view, it makes people who would otherwise resist think they are a minority. They aren't, they just can't get a reflection of their views to remind and encourage them as we once had with the Fairness Doctrine.

Without a gun to our head, we have succumbed to the brainwashing. So have our representatives. Or if they don't, they are called radicals, communists, crazy or whatever to shut them up. We know this in our hearts, but many don't and they believe the reality being sold here.

We must think things out. The media simply made everyone disgusted with Obama and the Democrats who were trying to fulfill the true mandate they were given. They made all of us who want a progressive future for America and the world think it was never going to happen.

So many of the things that Obama campaigned on and failed, were from the razor thin majority he had in place. It appears that people forgot the GOP fighting tooth and nail to keep Franken from being seated, the treachery of Joe Liebermann, and other things that made the majority really hard to do things. Obama campaigned on closing Gitmo. But change has to be funded, and the GOP refused to allow the shut down. Then THEIR media spun it as a broken promise. That's just one example.

Even the overwhelming negativity that many Democrats feel toward Obama was fed by the same media that the GOP owns, lock, stock and barrel. After a while, those who wanted what we voted for, felt ashamed to ask for it. Such is the power of the corporate media that has made the words the liberal, socialist and progressive, union, public or Democrat curse words.

They've turned ideas in search of solutions to human problems into moralist pejoratives, shutting down their fellow humans for daring to think, even if confused or wrong or misguided, into evil things worthy of death. So they've enacted a form of internalized thought police on anyone who is a free thinker.

They've screwed up the meaning of life with their pro-life mantra, only for the unborn. All other forms of life are worthless and those unborn babies once born are evil if they don't conform.

They aren't the least bit ashamed of marching lock-step over people and the planet. To them, our tolerance and seeking justice for all is feminine and weak, even unGodly according to their hideous belief system.

We're just all over the place, look at the cat fighting that goes on, although I blame the uber-conventionalists (okay, not a word) who support whatever corporate media says is the outrage or cause du jour and attacks anyone who dares to not go along. I've met some really strange Democrats here, who go after those who question the corporatist media as harshly as O'Reilly or Beck or Rush.



:rant:

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