In your opinion if we had a Republican President that did exactly what Obama's done

[Bandit]

would Democrats be as firmly behind him as they are Obama or would they be opposed?

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[golddigger]

2. My opinion is that their would be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[xchrom]

3. lots of dems were behind iraq. nt

[theaocp]

5. ...and they deserve scorn for that move. n/t

[Bandit]

6. Not a lot but still far too many

The great majority were opposed.

[virgogal]

4. In my opinion,no. A Republican would be pilloried.

[LoZoccolo]

7. I probably would be, as I was behind Bush* in Afganistan and initially Iraq as well. n/t

[Bandit]

9. Were you also for extending tax cuts for the wealthy?

:shrug:

[LoZoccolo]

12. No, but I don't remember that question being in the OP. n/t

[LoZoccolo]

14. I misread your OP; I thought you were only referring to the intervention in Libya. n/t

[whatchamacallit]

32. But of course

You illustrate how easy it is to game the DU rules.

[LoZoccolo]

47. Most of the Democrats were as well.

Not many people really suspected that Bush* would lie about something so big as the presence of weapons of mass destruction. As it became clear that the evidence was not there and that he was being evasive, then I changed my mind and by the actual beginning of the war I was participating in protests against it. I could be the broken clock that is always against war, but I don't want to be.

[GSLevel9]

8. lmfao

this place would be on fire.

[ClarkUSA]

10. "done"? Do you think Pres. McCain and VP Palin would be doing "exactly what Obama's done"?

[theaocp]

15. Probably not the bad stuff, just faster. n/t

[ClarkUSA]

28. "not the bad stuff, just faster" What does that mean?

[no limit]

29. I don't think that's the question that was asked.

Or do you make a habbit of answering questions with questions of your own?

[ClarkUSA]

30. That's the closest thing to a Republican President we've gotten to, right?

Should be easy to answer, then. Unless there's a rule that demonizing Pres. Obama is only done with generic Republicans?

If you don't like my question, then ignore it and move on.

[no limit]

36. If Bush had implemented a mandate with no public option would you have criticized him?

If Bush had wiretapped amaericans with no warrant would you have criticized him?

If Bush was killing innocent people in Pakistan on a weekly basis would you have criticized him?

If Bush was kidnapping people and sending them to countries that torture would you have criticized him?

If Bush had given rich people tax breaks while cutting programs for the poor would you have criticized him?

If Bush had implemented a surge in Afghanistan would you have criticized him?

How about if Bush continued to push for offshore oil drilling?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

11. are you talking about Libya?....if so No I would not and am not "firmly behind" him

[StarburstClock]

13. There would be many questions of motive, long-term goals and cost

Not to mention legality, civilian casualties and assassination of foreign leaders.

[jpgray]

16. At minimum there would be far greater distrust on motivation, long-term aims, etc.

[treestar]

17. If you mean Libya I would be OK with it

It is a UN action, with France and Britain doing the same.

[TomClash]

18. I'd ask the same questions I'm asking now

I'm as skeptical as Gates and Kucinich.

[peace13]

19. We have had * who robbed, looted and killed free form and he ....

was backed by the Democrats. Must vote war, must have tax free millionaires, must keep minions from having health care. Go figure.

[jschurchin]

20. You would have some retards on talk

radio saying how he is one of the greatest Presidents in history.

[KittyWampus]

21. Yes, of course. But it's not likely a Republican these days would do things the way Obama did.

[Motown_Johnny]

22. a Republican President who has done exactly what Obama has done?

Please watch this segment from The Rachel Maddow Show and tell me what Republican President would have done exactly what Obama has done.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/


Good luck with that

[JoePhilly]

42. In what universe does a Republican President withdraw troops from Iraq?

Or end DADT?

Or fund stem cell research?

Or wait for UN support before engaging in military actions against an ME country?

Or not defend DOMA in court?

Or propose legislation to rein in the banks?

Or propose legislation to reform health insurance?

Must be one of those parallel universes.

[denverbill]

23. I don't know how you can compare the two.

With Iraq, Bush claimed there was an 'imminent threat' of him attacking American with WMD. Every UN resolution and Congressional authorization was predicated on that lie. We had months of inspections and debate (well, what debate there was) and troop build-up before the attack was launched.

With Libya, the 'imminent threat' is to the Libyan people, and the 'threat' was no longer a threat. It was a reality. Bombs were flying, people were dying.

The primary reason I opposed the Iraq war was that it was predicated on lies. If Bush had gone to the UN and Congress and convinced them that Saddam needed to go because he had committed war crimes against his people, Iran, and Kuwait, and he had gotten that approval, I would have approved of the Iraq war. As far as I'm concerned, the only justifiable use of the military is in actual self-defense or with the consent of most of the world's governments. He would not have been able to get that consent against Iraq. Obama already has it for Libya, and it was not Obama pushing the world for this war. It was the world pushing the US to stop Gaddafi.

[leftstreet]

34. No shit. Obama didn't tell us to go shopping n/t

[NightWatcher]

24. No Way. If Obama does it, they're on board. war, torture....

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. No

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

26. Neo-cons and neo-libs cross party lines with ease when "spreading democracy".

And, both proclaim it a noble cause when doing it. The regrets, explanations, cover ups, and excuses come after the slaughter.

[ileus]

27. This time it's for the greater good...

[Kablooie]

31. Democrats are not simply 'firmly behind him'. Dems have a wide variety of opinions pro and con.

[Modern_Matthew]

33. If you switch the labels on your ketchup and mustard, can you tell the difference? nt

[Aerows]

35. I think most would be opposed...

...except for those who ALWAYS seem to think military intervention is a good idea. There are some of those in the Democratic camp, too. Personally, I would be opposed to it regardless of who was doing it.

Republicans, which are mostly screaming about this intervention (except for the staunch neo-cons), would be defending it to the hilt and calling all of us who oppose or question it traitors, like war-hawks always do.

[MedicalAdmin]

37. Yes they would?

Can you find any tanglible and substantial differences between how either of the parties have acted for the past 30 years. They have both given the keys to the house and the car and your daughters and sons to the rich bastards who act like a pinstripe mafia.

They supported Reagan when he did this. They supported Bush 1 when he did this. They supported Clinton when he did this. They supports shrub and they are now supporting Obama. It's a shame and should be a scandal but we haven't noticed that the rich declared war in 1980 so they don't give a fuck. They are bought and paid for.

The rich and connected are cashing out while the rest of us circle the tidy bowl.

[LWolf]

38. They'd be divided.

At least, out in the real world.

Just as they were when Bush declared the bogus "War on Terror." There were many Democrats that bought into the fear and revenge hype; that "911 changed everything." Democrats in Congress mostly supported him.

[NorthCarolina]

39. I am opposed regardless of which of the corporate parties is in power. nt

[The Doctor.]

40. If a Republican achieved such strides in equality and tried to get health care reform,

I would assume I was not in reality.

[Arkana]

41. Then we'd say he's been a fairly centrist Republican President

although by virtue of him being a Republican, I'd be more suspicious of his motives.

[Starry Messenger]

43. There are Democrats who supported the Bush wars.

A lot of them actually. Didn't IWR get a lot of signatories?

[Fuzz]

44. I would be against it as well.

[TheKentuckian]

45. Is there a specific issue you have in mind or are you talking generally?

Also, it would depend on which Democrats in which capacity.

Broadly, I disapprove of many or even most of Obama's actions but approve of some. Similar to a Republican but I approve of significantly more than in past GOP administrations.

[WatsonT]

46. Which part?

Keeping gitmo open, expanding on the unmanned drone strikes in afghanistan/pakistan, voting to continue the patriot act, or the bombing of a muslim nation that hasn't threatened us?

Oh I'm sure if McCain had won and did all these things people around here would be super-supportive of him.