CNN reports radioactivity reached our west coast

[upi402]

Is there any radiactivity level or locational info?

[spanone]

1. but but but the experts said that was impossible

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. I gotta say, at this point I do not know if

laughing or crying is the right response.

[Name removed]

2. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. The level IS much lower by orders of magnitude

than the x-ray I got on my foot, to put it in perspective. What worries me is not the radiation perse... but particles.

Watch what they do, not what they say. I will be officially freaked when I see yellow duckie brigades... (which I expect if we should get a large enough particles in a particular zone)

You still have time to get your tetrapack milk. I got mine and also for my nephews today... that trunk has a few cases. That means mik for a few months.

[arcane1]

5. "yellow duckie brigades"?

:shrug:

[Gold Metal Flake]

28. This...

[upi402]

6. Thank you nadinbrzezinski

:fistbump:
I need to run for the UHT milk still, probably got our last fresh milk for some time to come -yesterday.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Same here, my sis has no time

so I better protect the kid's thyroids...

(I suspect they don't have the extra funds either so the rice and milk are on me)

[Name removed]

7. Deleted message

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[cui bono]

14. Nice 1st, 2nd or 3rd post. Can tell which one it is.

:eyes:

[backscatter712]

9. That's what I've been thinking.

It sucks to be you if you're in Japan, but the radiation levels that make it to the U.S. are detectable, but Mostly Harmless (depending on your definition of "Mostly"...)

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. It is the particles that make it through that could be a problem

especially with milk and cows. And that would be limited to where we get "hot zones" and I use " for one reason, what we would define as hot, aka where it will go into the food chain, will be that much lower, by orders of magnitude... but enough to concentrate in milk supplies.

[cui bono]

15. Or if we breathe them into our bodies. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Yep

[NoTimeToulouse]

20. Chips of putonium are twinkling in every lung...

[marions ghost]

19. somebody told me that milk

from cows who don't eat grass in the open is OK. :shrug: I don't know anything about cows. What else do they eat--stored feeds? But how would we know the diff? And consumer protection is such a low priority in this country.

I imagine we'll be hearing a lot of conflicting info on this.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. We will,

I will put it to you this way... over where I live there has been a "run" on milk from military personnel and retirees, Especially those who well work with this stuff regularly.

[flamingdem]

25. Interesting. People with kids can be proactive on this one.

Or is it everyone.

Cesium is bad for everyone, not just the young, wonder if milk is a pathway for that as well

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. more than cesioum Strontium

and yes it bio accumulates in cows milk.

They do not want a panic, but worst case scenario some of our cows will not be happy. No not sick, not to that level... just not selling very well

[Johonny]

33. don't think you mean particles

I mean particles could harm you. There are diseases cause by particle ingestion. What you are worried about is radioactive particles concentrating up the food chain and then into you. The worse radioactive particle I131 has a pretty short lifetime. However thyroid cancer in known to be a result of concentration up the food chain and into you. About 40000 to 200000 people got thyroid cancer due to above ground testing in 50-60s. It is well known to be elevated around Chernobyl. It is claimed to be elevated around US nuclear power plants. Is the amount enough to "really" worry about. The amount of radioactive elements getting to the US is rather small. You have some radioactive elements in you already. Some caused by say Chernobyl or above ground testing. The amount of radioactive material getting to US is unlikely to cause an measurable increase in thyroid cancer rate. However it is impossible to tell someone that does get it, it wasn't due to Japanese radiation. "You can dust for vomit". Now if you were in Japan and had small children... I'd be more worried. If you are worried the best thing to do is skip dairy for a while. While it is unlikely to help you, stress can hurt you just as bad. If being proactive gives you peace of mind you might as do something that might help you a tiny, tiny amount. :)

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. As I said the level means

we are getting our annual dose in 365 days, 12 hours, all the way to the last second of the year... and even that might be an over statement.

It is the food chain and the off chance of particles...

As to milk... depends how fast they stop it, et al... suffice it to say months is the current window.

[walldude]

11. LMAO.. yesterday they were literally making fun of anyone who

dared even ask if any radiation would hit Ca. Assholes.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. At this point it is the told you so

talking points, it will be ridiculously low (and for the first time, they will be right)

Of course the particles (which I am hoping fall down from the sky) are a concern

[flamingdem]

18. Here are numbers I found saying epa.gov

This is a repost saying it is radnet monitors from epa.gov

Fixed Monitor Location: CA: FRESNO
Measurement Start Date/Time: 03/18/2011 03:54:38 PM
Measurement End Date/Time: 03/18/2011 04:54:45 PM
Beta Gross Count Rate (CPM): 230
Gamma Energy Range 2 Gross(CPM): 2975
Gamma Energy Range 3 Gross(CPM): 1730
Gamma Energy Range 4 Gross(CPM): 537
Gamma Energy Range 5 Gross(CPM): 273
Gamma Energy Range 6 Gross(CPM): 172
Gamma Energy Range 7 Gross(CPM): 197
Gamma Energy Range 8 Gross(CPM): 119
Gamma Energy Range 9 Gross(CPM): 51
Gamma Energy Range 10 Gross(CPM): 70

To put things in perspective, Las Vegas is around 150.

Fixed Monitor Location: NV: LAS VEGAS
Measurement Start Date/Time: 03/18/2011 01:54:30 PM
Measurement End Date/Time: 03/18/2011 02:54:38 PM
Beta Gross Count Rate (CPM): 152
Gamma Energy Range 2 Gross(CPM): 2629
Gamma Energy Range 3 Gross(CPM): 1768
Gamma Energy Range 4 Gross(CPM): 508
Gamma Energy Range 5 Gross(CPM): 303
Gamma Energy Range 6 Gross(CPM): 153
Gamma Energy Range 7 Gross(CPM): 210
Gamma Energy Range 8 Gross(CPM): 131
Gamma Energy Range 9 Gross(CPM): 51
Gamma Energy Range 10 Gross(CPM): 51

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. They are still very, very low

This is less than my foot x-ray by orders.

Here is what matters though, even though they are ridiculously slightly over background... TIME of exposure. But this rate, a yearly rate would be achieved in 364 days... with a few hours, close to 23 hours. and many minutes.

As I said, for once they will be right on that talking point.

Here these guys have a non sciency technical on this

http://www.radiationnetwork.com/Message.htm

[flamingdem]

24. Personally I like to stay under that limit

and I've had too much radiation already for comfort.

Isn't there a difference between the isotopes in fallout and the isotopes in a medical xray?

I've read that these are smaller, including the plutonium, and this makes it easier for them to travel and harder for the body to get rid of ... not that I'm paranoid or anything!

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. That is the problem

the background radiation is just that, radiation. The isotopes are a whole different story and though low.. most will wash out into the pacific... they COULD have an effect with the food chain.

Think of this the following way. The radiation is wind, the particles are dust.

[cui bono]

32. Particles will no doubt fall into the Pacific. I heard a woman say that you shouldn't

eat bottom feeders like oysters because the particles will settle. And also the bigger the fish the more radiation it will end up with as it eats smaller fish who in turn eat smaller fish and so on, so it is accumulated.

Basically, I would stay off fish.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Yep. the fisheries are toast

in a manner of speaking

[Hannah Bell]

12. here. a group of independent monitoring stations.

http://www.radiationnetwork.com/

radiation may have reached the us, but at least per this, levels aren't yet any different from average levels a week ago. i've been checking it regularly & here's screen shot du-er posted:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=653115&mesg_id=653115

looks like he removed (?) the screenshot but i noted the readings in it on a post & will try to find it. range for vancouver bc, washington & sf california was something like 17-37. the site in eastern washington is in the neighborhood of the hanford plant.

readings in denver & ny have typically been higher than anything on the w. coast.

[shanti]

31. whoa!

the numbers are going up too when you do a refresh :(

[dixiegrrrrl]

17. Here is another site. Slow loading now.

live feed of every 10 minutes worth of radiation readings in LA basin area.

http://www.enviroreporter.com/2011/03/enviroreporter-coms-radiation-station/

this am it was averaging 36.

[CabalPowered]

23. Also on ustream

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-radiation-monitoring-from-west-la#utm_campaigne=synclickback

[Taverner]

26. Wasn't it just radiation from planes that came from Japan?

Something's not stacking up

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. Some planes that came back triggered the monitors at Dallas

AND a few monitoring stations in California have gone above background (AT RIDICULOUSLY LOW LEVELS)

[Rex]

35. It was inevitable. I hope it is very little.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. Oh right now background is really, really small

you will cut down your annual rate by second worst case