Breaking*** UN Votes to adopt No Fly zone - Libya

[jannyk]

10 for
0 against
5 abstentions
Carried!!!!

Live on BBC TV

China & Russia abstained (don't yet know others)

They carried the whole thing - statements/vote and now the after -statements

[joshcryer]

1. Woot!!!!!

[roamer65]

2. Start bombing Qadhafi forces now!

[oberliner]

3. Who were the 5 abstentions?

Is it listed anywhere?

[tabatha]

8. Go to #LIbya on twitter.

I saw the names there.

[oberliner]

12. Twitter says: China, Russia, Brazil, India, Germany

Interesting assortment of abstainers.

[Cali_Democrat]

Germany? Are they have some kind of a fall out with the UK and France?

That's kinda weird.

[joshcryer]

38. No, they gave a vote of confidence in their speech, they just don't want to be involved.

[jannyk]

11. China & Russia for sure - just happened moments ago

now making 'after vote' statements - there'll be better coverage soon I' sure.

BBC is letting us listen rather than interrupting with their own babble.

[oberliner]

Just found the list: China, Russia, India, Brazil, and Germany

Each for very different reasons I would imagine.

[Lasher]

4. Oh good, everybody else votes for us to get into another fucking war.

And we vote right along with them.

[tabatha]

5. Hooray.

And if anyone says it is about oil, they are wrong, If it was about oil, it would have happened earlier.

It is about getting rid of a murderous, plundering bastard - and it will be led by France, and the UK.

[jannyk]

19. France made a very passionate and convincing appeal to UN members. nt

[Cognitive_Resonance]

6. Large crowds in Bhenghazi celebrating. Hope it is not too late for those brave souls. nt

[joshcryer]

7. THIS RESOLUTION WILL NOT ALLOW EVEN AN INCH OF OCCUPATION - Lebanon

[Dappleganger]

9. Well there's our third war.

Which of our children will be paying for this one?

[joshcryer]

15. NFZ, NO TROOPS, it'll be mostly done by France, the Dutch, the UK.

It's no more costly for us than regular exercises. Please don't spread a lie.

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

10. it's much more than a no fly zone. it's all measures necessary to protect the Rebels.

[tabatha]

21. Without boots on the ground.

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Right. That's what they say now. n/t

[joshcryer]

32. It would require another resolution. What's important is the US has very little role here.

[in_cog_ni_to]

41. The U.S. should have NO ROLE here. Why is it we always have more than enough money

for fucking wars, but no money for the needs of the people in OUR own country?

[joshcryer]

43. The US's role will amount to a training exercise.

Don't be silly.

[tabatha]

42. The UN will be monitoring this.

Note - it did not happen without the UN. I would not have happened without the UN. And boots on the ground will not happen because of the UN.

[Raksha]

60. Right, it was a U.N. resolution that didn't even require Colin Powell

holding up a vial of whatever-the-hell-it-was...

[tabatha]

69. Yep, unlike the Powell demo

there had been no US deaths.

Unfortunately in the case of the Libyans there have been tens of thousands of deaths.

And threats of a massacre.

How you can compare those, is beyond my understanding.

[fittosurvive]

13. It could be too late...for it will still be a while before the sorties commence.

[tabatha]

18. They are ready to start flying tomorrow or earlier.

[Cali_Democrat]

14. Yay! More bombs and bullets!

:eyes:

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. I know. I cannot believe DUers are supporting this and are happy about it!

Un-freakin'-real.

[joshcryer]

33. You haven't been following Gaddafi's genocide.

[L. Coyote]

49. You might want to look up the meaning of genocide

and not demean the definition of the word.

Anyone who does not understand this to be about oil has their head in the sand.

The same people cheering this on cheered on Bush's invasion of Iraq.

[joshcryer]

51. There are reports of more than 10k people killed in a month.

Is 300+ people a day not a genocide for you? What constitutes genocide for you?

[L. Coyote]

53. "There are reports " by whom?

[Alamuti Lotus]

68. Grozny, Sarajevo, Fallujah, Wounded Knee, Auschwitz

for starters; I was in Grozny when it was overrun, I know what it really looks like. sensationalist hyperbole should not form the backbone of one's argument as it currently does. but hey you won, you got your war. the gullible and easily excitable have won the day; enjoy. or rather, I should say that the reigning imperialist power has once again exploited the gullible and easily excited to advance the 'business as usual' agenda yet again; all the same, enjoy. Britain, France, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Yemen, and the rest will show Libya a thing or two. maybe the Lebanese will get their answers about Musa Sadr, then they can bail.

[Raksha]

62. I have been following it, on Catherina's threads and now yours.

I wish they had done it two weeks ago. A lot of deaths could have been prevented, and Gaddafi would be history.

[joshcryer]

34. Bombs are already falling on the heads of the Libyans, thanks to arms from the west.

The west should act to stop this atrocity, and they have.

[Old and In the Way]

16. This will outrage republicans in Congress....

once they can figure out how to message their opposition. It will probably be linked to 'taking orders from the UN' or some such foolish thing.

[tabatha]

20. It has already been stated by Rubio.

[roamer65]

17. If I were a Qadhafi pilot, I'd land my plane ASAP.

[jannyk]

22. Resolution Bans any "Invading Force on Libyian Soil'

Strengthens and adds to embargo's

[joshcryer]

36. +1 exactly

[jannyk]

23. German UN Rep: Ghadaffi's time is Over. He must relinquish power now.

[Baclava]

24. So we're going to war. 1st question - where are our carriers?

2nd question: Do you think Egypt will let our planes attack from their airfields?

They are right next door.

[roamer65]

39. No. Egypt said no attacks from its territory.

[Baclava]

50. We have plenty of ships with cruise missles in the Med.

Maybe they'll be the first wave. Before any planes.

[jannyk]

25. UK & France alone will implement 'NO Fly Zone'

fro live BBCtv coverage

maybe some help from Arab countries, maybe not...

[joshcryer]

30. The Dutch offered some planes, but yeah, good, UK and France STARTED this mess.

[Baclava]

40. I agree, if they will be the ones leading the attacks.

And of course, they have the most national strategic interest in that oil.

[roamer65]

37. BBC says it could happen within a few hours.

[Baclava]

46. Don't bet on it - ".U.S. 'set to bomb Libya within hours' as UN approves no-fly zone"

"UK and French 'would lead first airstrike'"

"Gaddafi threatens attacks on Mediterranean targets if no fly zone enforced"


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1367357/Therell...

[jannyk]

47. Aaaack! The Daily Mail is a sensation 'rag' - any other sources?

[Baclava]

48. Gaaaa! sorry - US readying plans to enforce Libya no-fly zone

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration was readying plans to enforce a no-fly zone in Libya with the help of Arab countries, officials said Thursday as the United Nations Security Council voted to authorize the move.

These officials, who spoke after a closed-door briefing in Congress, said they expected the attempt to ground Moammar Gadhafi's air force could begin by Sunday or Monday. The effort likely would involve jet fighters, bombers and surveillance aircraft.

The disclosures came as Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said in Tunisia that a no-fly zone would include "certain actions taken to protect the planes and the pilots, including bombing targets like the Libyan defense systems."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_US_LIBYA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-03-17-19-26-36

[joshcryer]

52. The US was last on board, France and the UK have plans already made, the US just started planning.

[joshcryer]

27. USA SPEAKING NOW

[joshcryer]

28. (USA = Susan Rice)

[Cognitive_Resonance]

29. It's about helping brave people free themselves from an insane gangster who is armed to the teeth

with the proceeds from 42 years of oil revenue. The funds for Qaddafi's planes, helicopters, and bombs came from our pockets. A NFZ is the least we can do to help the Libyan people. If you have any doubt if it is the right thing to do, tune-in to AJE and look at the people of Benghazi celebrating.

[Lasher]

44. Lybia has universal health care and we don't.

But look, people of Benghazi are celebrating. Let's write them a blank check.

[jannyk]

35. Susan Rice speaking now.....

we voted for ....Ghadaffi systematically abuse and murder his own people....this res demands an immediate ceasefire .... calls for immediate ceasefire....bans all international flights in/out Libya....freezes assets of 7 individuals/corporations....panel of experts to monitor results.....future of Libya to be decided by people of Libya....US stands with the people of Libya as they fight for their human rights.

[Baclava]

45. As if disaster porn wasn't enough - now we'll have war porn

It never ends

[killbotfactory]

56. The alternative is genocide porn

Gaddafi's forces will not hesitate to kill all the rebels and anyone suspected of aiding them.

[Alamuti Lotus]

58. "genocide" has become such a cheap term -- will Qadhdhafi kill all the Arabs or something?

That's what "genocide" means.... it's kinda like "fascist", you can't just throw that kind of sensationalist hyperbole up against anybody you don't like: the word loses meaning.

[killbotfactory]

66. From what I understand, it's a tribal thing

Eastern Libya comprises tribes who aren't happy about Gaddafi's rule, so he will not hesitate to slaughter a bunch of them. That might qualify as the ethnic part of genocide. But I'm not a lawyer, so...

:eyes:

[bighart]

54. Let the Arab League do it.

Why is it "the west" that needs to be involved at all? Saudi Arabia and UAE both have air power capable of doing this.

[Canuckistanian]

57. The Arab League was pushing for it

Unbelievably, it was the US that was dragging their feet on this.

[bighart]

59. My point exactly.

They wanted it let them enforce it. Why it is the job of the west to enforce when the arab league was pushing so hard for it?

[Canuckistanian]

63. What I'd like to see

Is a commitment from ALL participating countries to contribute EQUAL military resources.

And NOBODY gets to pull out and let the US carry the load alone.

This is how the US gets such a bad rep as the enforcer of dubious treaties.

[Alamuti Lotus]

61. The "Arab League" is a tool of US/Saudi imperialism, most of those states are no better right now!

[Canuckistanian]

64. That's a valid point

The whole Arab region is in a state of flux right now. Egypt is still struggling and SA and Bahrain have their own problems.

They certainly don't want to give their own citizens any ideas.

[killbotfactory]

55. I'm shocked

I thought the rebels would be left out to dry by the world community. Although it's no guarantee the rebels will win out in the end, whoever was acting behind the scenes to get this passed deserves praise.

[Raksha]

65. I thought so too. I'm still pretty cynical about the whole thing.

I told myself the world community (first world anyway) would drag its feet about the no-fly zone, giving Gaddafi every opportunity to regain power. That they would ONLY intervene if it looked like the rebels were winning anyway, and possibly not even then.

I still believe that. For the past week it has looked like they were losing ground, and Gaddafi was talking about attacking Benghazi. But he's a pathological liar and may have been in a more precarious position than most of us knew. Maybe running out of fuel? Too many defections? The U.N. undoubtedly has its own sources of information.

[tabatha]

70. Beliefs; beliefs.

Gaddafi was about to pummel Benghazi to bits and pieces. He has not even brought out his biggest guns. He did not have to because the "rebels" were so poorly equipped.

If you saw the reaction to the UN statement by the rebels, you would understand the sheer relief that they were not going to lose and be massacred.

[jannyk]

71. The French. Brits and Lebanese led this effort. nt

[Synnical]

67. Good News. Thanks. n/t