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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 11:41 AM
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Julian Assange Rape Case: Sweden WITHDRAWS Arrest Warrant
Julian Assange Rape Case: Sweden WITHDRAWS Arrest Warrant

STOCKHOLM Swedish authorities revoked a short-lived arrest warrant for the founder of WikiLeaks on Saturday, saying a rape accusation against him lacked substance.

Julian Assange, who was believed to be in Sweden, remained under suspicion of a lesser crime of molestation in a separate case, prosecutors said.

The nomadic 39-year-old Australian dismissed the allegations in a statement on WikiLeaks' Twitter page, saying "the charges are without basis and their issue at this moment is deeply disturbing."

WikiLeaks is preparing to release of a fresh batch of classified U.S. documents from the Afghan war, despite warnings from the Pentagon that they could endanger American soldiers and their Afghan helpers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/21/julian-assange...
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 11:43 AM
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1. Again? Britain should sue the bastards for the cost of the frivolity
As should Assange himself...
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 11:44 AM
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2. The date on the story is from August...???
...something's not right about this..
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 11:45 AM
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4. Yes, I'm a victim of my own inability to check first.
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:21 PM
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18. Then you should take this post down. nt
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 02:26 PM
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55. Nah. It's an attempt at deception. Dated August? Looks like Assange picked up his pace. nt.
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 08:06 AM
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114. Sweden did the right thing.
They were probably pressured by US to issue an arrest warrant to start with.If you read the WikiLeaks cables, you see a lot of that. Even re. Michael Moore's movies. WE micromanage the world.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 11:45 AM
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3. They withdrew the charges against my rapist back in 1988.
I was still raped.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 11:51 AM
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7. Disappointed ?
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 11:56 AM
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9. A rapist went free. Disappointed is an understatement. eom
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:11 PM
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15. He didn't rape anyone, a CIA op said he didn't use a condom. She has now fled
And stop cooperating with the authorities
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:17 PM
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16. That isn't what the charges are. Stop spreading misinformation.
The charges

Used his body weight to hold down Miss A in a sexual manner.
Had unprotected sex with Miss A when she had insisted on him using a condom.
Molested Miss A "in a way designed to violate her sexual integrity".
Had unprotected sex with Miss W while she was asleep.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11937110

And you don't know why she fled.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:04 PM
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30. The charges are bullshit. Here is the actual police report:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assa...

Nothing in the police report is even remotely related to the charges you posted from the BBC.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:36 PM
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38. Police reports are not the same as indictments. They rarely use the same verbage. n/t
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:39 PM
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41. Except there are no indictments
and I don't follow the logic that if indictments were to be made they wouldn't be made based on the police report.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 02:47 PM
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56. Key words: Based On. not copied word for word but in legalese. That isn't so hard to understand.
Or maybe it is.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 05:11 PM
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84. Except those 'charges' have not been filed, why??
And they are new 'allegations with the question not yet answered, why did the lead prosecutor not see those 'new' allegations when she dismissed the case in August?

This OP is old news and should be deleted, however there is no case and the charges do not need to be withdrawn because he has not been charged.

If they have a case, what are they waiting for, or as most people believe, their own unpublished texts contradict these 'new' allegations and they know they will be exposed should they file a case as Assange's attorneys will then have the right to the exculpatory evidence.

So, to the Swedish Government, either file charges or stop smearing an innocent person for political reasons.

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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 06:09 PM
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88. I don't know but the charges are not for a broken condom. eom
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #88
92. There are no charges.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #88
95. There are no charges. There are
allegations. Clearly the prosecutors are unwilling to actually file charges. And anyone familiar with this case from the beginning knows why.

I hope Assange sues in the future and wins.
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 11:53 PM
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101. perhaps the complainant should be charged with breaking the
Edited on Thu Dec-23-10 11:54 PM by Swagman
condom and why isn't she as much to 'blame' for it ?
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #16
100. nor do you and your unfortunate incident has no bearing on
the flimsy claims against Assange. Emotion has to be kept out of this.

and please read up on the claims. They have varied over time.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 10:47 AM
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128. Yeah right. Blah blah. More bullshit. Blah. n/t
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 01:16 AM
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109. If her consent was based on his use of a condom, then he had no consent
Edited on Fri Dec-24-10 01:17 AM by pnwmom
if he failed to use a condom. If she didn't consent, isn't that rape?

And maybe you missed the part where one of the women said he used his body weight to hold her down . . .

I think it's way too early and we have too few facts to say what actually happened.
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trud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #9
107. I'm pretty sure
your rape didn't = consensual sex without a condom.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:11 PM
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13. If you accused someone of rape because a condom broke then sounds like justice prevailed
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:18 PM
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17. That isn't what Assange was charged with. eom
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:48 PM
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24. Yes, it is. The other one is that he supposedly had sex with the women while she was sleeping
I'm not saying that's necessarily right but she made the decision to sleep naked with him. And I don't see how you prove that she was sleeping while he did this especially since any credability she might have had went out the window when she threw a party for the guy and then collaborated with the second "victim" before going to the police. And even if you could prove it I have a hard time believing that it's illegal.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:26 PM
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35. So if you're sleeping naked with someone
And they jam a giant dildo up your ass it's all good. Since according to you sleeping naked with someone is consent to anything sexual they want to do to you.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:29 PM
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36. If I try to jam a giant dildo in your ass and you don't wake up you are one hell of a sleeper
Edited on Thu Dec-23-10 01:31 PM by no limit
aren't you?
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:39 PM
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40. Whatever
By sleeping naked with someone you're consenting to anything they want to do according to you.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:44 PM
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43. Nope, not what I said. But in this case if he did have sex with her while she was asleep...
...you can't prove it. The only thing you can look at is the credability of the person making the charge. And in this case considering this person threw a party for Assange afterwards and didn't go to the police until she talked to the other "victim" first she has no credability. On top of that she didn't tell police that she was asleep, she said she was half asleep.

So people keep calling him a rapist because of this incident and because a condom he was using broke. It's a fucking disgrace not only to our justice system but also to true victims of rape.

I'm sorry that you were raped, I can't even imagine how horrible it must be to live with something like that especially when the person that raped you got off. But what you don't seem to understand is that as a male getting falsely accused of rape is also extremely damaging and traumatic. Most men I think would rather be falsely accused of murder than be falsely accused of rape (atleast I know I would).
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:53 PM
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46. I haven't called him a rapist. He's innocent til proven guilty.
By the same token his accusers aren't guilty of anything yet either. Something all of you rushing to smear them might try to remember.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 02:08 PM
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48. That is not how you sound... Your posts all sound like you've already convicted and hung the guy
Edited on Thu Dec-23-10 02:13 PM by comtec
there is no equivocation or "maybe" in your posts.
Every post you have made on this subject has him as the gurantee'd rapist, with you ready to cut his dick off.

what you ACTUALLY think, if different, does not show. only your blind hatred and anger.

None of your posts allow for even the tiniest possibility that this was a set up.

and that's the problem.

you post that all men are rapists. Hell be any evidence otherwise.


you have my deepest sympathies for your rape. thrice more that justice was denied you.
more still that in many parts of the country, let alone the world, it's an ignored crime.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 03:15 PM
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57. Excuse you? I've posted none of what you say.
If you think that you need a class in reading comprehension. I object to smearing and discrediting rape victims or accusers.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 04:28 PM
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77. and yet you have the same problem with reading comprehension
where did i smear rape victims?
You may not have meant your posts to sound like you've already cut this guys balls off, but that IS how they are coming off as.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 04:50 PM
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79. Only in your overheated imagination.
I am objecting to the assumption that Assange's accusers are lying based on incomplete reporting and statements by his defense team. Even Michael Moore has had to admit there's more to the charges than merely a broken condom.

If Assange is innocent until proven guilty then so are his accusers. I don't see anyone stating he's a rapist with certainty but plenty of people are jumping to conclusions about the women. Unfair!
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 05:07 PM
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82. I imagine we'll never agree
Edited on Thu Dec-23-10 05:11 PM by comtec
lets agree to disagree.
be well and have a happy holiday
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 05:59 PM
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87. I really like you, but I don't agree with anything you have to say about this issue.
I'm sorry you were raped and didn't have anyone on your side, but he fucked a couple of groupies and it's being used as a sad excuse to persecute him.

NOT THE SAME.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 02:09 PM
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49. The police report is available to any one that would like to see it
these allegations these women made are not credible. And anyone that has an honest look at the report would come to this same conclusion.

The fact Swedish police won't release the text messages these 2 women sent to each other to Assange's lawyers doesn't help their case either. Finally, I'm still not understanding what crime was actually broken. Is having sex with someone that you are naked in bed with while they are sleeping illegal? If it is again, how do you prove it?
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 02:19 PM
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52. you're wasting your bandwidth on trying to convince her otherwise
Edited on Thu Dec-23-10 02:20 PM by comtec
search her post history, look on the feminist forum.

you will never convince her he was wrongly accused.

this is a woman who was hurt, beyond words.
She was denied justice (it's a more tragic story than that by far)

You will never convince her otherwise. and to be honest, I can't blame her.
Her believe in the evil of men is justified.
Her experience, and what she's seen.
We can try to argue details and facts, but it pales compared to her personal experience.
you can SAY rape is down... but to the women who were raped, that is a cold statistic.
it still happened.

You can SAY that women falsely accuse men of rape... but when it really happened to a woman, and she is then told that by everyone around her she's a whore and a slut... that she brought it upon herself...can you blame her for disbelieving that it actually happens?

you can't get past that pain... no man can
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #52
63. Jesus Christ on a Segway, could you be more condescending.
Oh yes, poor broken damaged me! I can't even contemplate that someone could bring false rape charges!

Except there was that time back in the Navy when one of my shipmates made up a lie that someone had raped her. Turned out she'd gotten drunk and passed out and missed ship's movement. Big no-no. So in an attempt to get out of trouble she concocted a story that someone had raped her. She didn't identify anyone but gave a vague description of a black guy (she was white - just to add the extra bit of racism to her story). The cops went on a search for the guy and, naturally, never found him because she was lying. Eventually there were enough holes and inconsistencies in her story that they questioned her and she broke down and admitted she made it up. The police remanded her to the ship. She got Captain's Mast, busted down a pay grade, fined 2 months pay, and a bunch of restriction and extra duty. She's lucky she didn't do time in the brig. It was a shitty thing for her to do.

Remarkable, isn't it? I can walk and chew gum too, BTW.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 03:51 PM
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70. I agree that poster is out of line. But the story you just posted is interesting
what if she had named names? She would have ruined a innocent person's reputation and what would have happened to her? Virtually nothing. She still kept her job, didn't get arrested, all she got was what amounts to a fine. And eventhough she only got a fine a men's reputation and life could have been ruined.

I know thats exactly what will happen in this case.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #70
75. I would imagine the punishment would have been worse
As it is they brought guys in for questioning who fit the description she gave, which I'm sure wasn't a pleasant experience.

I know thats exactly what will happen in this case.

Sheesh! I get beaten up on this thread for supposedly assuming Assange is guilty (which I don't and never said I did) and you and others act like it's a fait accompli that the accusers are lying. Double standard much?

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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 04:57 PM
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80. Well, I have something to base my claim on, with all due respect you don't
You simply can not ignore all the things in this case. Including the fact that this "victim" threw a party for Assange and that both women didn't go to the police until they talked to each other. And any text messages they exchanged the authorities are refusing to release to even Assange's legal team.

Can I ask you this? What if I am right and turns out these women made it all up. What do you think should happen to them?
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 05:33 PM
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85. Yes, I know, they aren't acting like proper rape victims. Got it.
Can I ask you this? What if I am right and turns out these women made it all up. What do you think should happen to them?

What is it, exactly, that you think they "made all up"? Assange is not denying having sex with both of them. The worst case scenario for the accusers is that the prosecutors will decide there's not enough evidence for rape. That doesn't make them liars.
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #75
103. but you have not said in any of your posts that Assange may be
innocent and the 2 may be lying. You are not being fair...you are on the side of the accusers because they accuse.

you are fostering the belief that throw mud and it will stick. And by bringing into the debate a discussion about a personal horrible incident you are coloring that debate.

We have all had horrible incidents in our lives and they bear no relation to Assange and his accusers.

I have been sexually assaulted by men when I was young and by a woman. It means zilch in this case.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #103
106. He may be innocent and the two women may be lying. There, I said it.
Then again, he may be guilty and the two women may be telling the truth.

We don't know. All I'm saying is, please, extend the same benefit of the doubt to the accusers as you do to Assange.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #49
58. Your interpretation of the report isn't necessarily the gold standard
From the link you keep posting I see what could be construed as Assange forcing himself on both women. Yes, even if they took him home, got in bed with, etc. etc. A guy pinning my arms and legs down against my will would scare the fuck out of me.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #58
59. Where in that link do you see anything remotely close to pinning the women down?
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #59
60. Right here on the Guardian link you supplied
According to the statement, Miss A then realised he was trying to have unprotected sex with her. She told police that she had tried a number of times to reach for a condom but Assange had stopped her by holding her arms and pinning her legs. The statement records Miss A describing how Assange then released her arms and agreed to use a condom, but she told the police that at some stage Assange had "done something" with the condom that resulted in it becoming ripped, and ejaculated without withdrawing.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #60
68. Miss A describing how Assange then released her arms and agreed to use a condom
It doesn't say anything about force. And again, she then had sex with him and she threw a party for him the next day and tweeted how she was hanging out with the coolest people in the world.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #68
71. Her not behaving in a manner you believe befitting a rape victim doesn't mean she's lying
I acted 'normal' after I was raped too.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #71
81. Did you throw a party for the person that raped you?
Did you agree to have consensual sex with them afterwards? Because that would not be normal.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #81
86. Hmm, let's think this through
I can easily imagine why a rape victim would behave that way. Let's say I'd planned the party in advance. Invited a bunch of people already. House was ready and the catering was all set. Maybe I'm also in shock and humiliated and possibly in denial. Maybe I don't want my friends to know what a stupid idiot I was for putting myself in that situation with him. Maybe I'm blaming myself for leading him on. Maybe he's a big swinging dick in my community or social circle and pissing him off would get me ostracized and possibly worse. Maybe he could ruin my reputation and get me fired.

I don't know if all, or any of that, happened in the Assange case but I can easily see why a woman would act in a way you don't deem 'normal' for a rape victim. There's no such thing as a 'normal' way to handle it.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #86
90. Kitty....!
I am absolutely ASTONISHED at the ignorance at some of the posters (mostly male, I believe) here at a progressive site. i really was hoping we would have come further than to believe that some of the descriptions of charges made by the women are not anywhere near being rape!

I think your responses have been measured and completely to the point. I commend you for your patience, particularly given your horrendous experience. You have my admiration.

:hug:
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #90
99. Thanks so much!
I'm trying not to get too angry but I feel I have to speak up to challenge this stuff, especially among progressives.

Anyways, backatcha. :hug:
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #46
67. sel-delete
Edited on Thu Dec-23-10 03:44 PM by Violet_Crumble
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #46
102. no...it's Assange who has been smeared relentlessy by the
media and others like yourself that really have no idea what went on. The 2 who complained lack credibility by their actions after. Assange was just getting on with his life. He has the right to protest his innocence.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #102
105. Of course he has the right to protest his innocence.
And his accusers have the right to get on with their lives without being smeared and threatened by rabid Assange supporters.

Funny, but I don't see very many attacks on Assange in the MSM due to the sexual assualt charges. They're largely silent on them, except for the attacks on the accusers. Mostly the vitriol against Assange is by pundits and politicians piqued at the "sacred" information his group has leaked.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 04:40 PM
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78. False accusations of rape make it all too easy for people to then
Edited on Thu Dec-23-10 04:44 PM by tblue37
dismiss or cast doubt on real claims of rape.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 10:10 AM
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122. Hello_Kitty
I'm sorry to read about your horrific experience. I can only imagine the horror you live with on a daily basis. My sister was attacked, but not raped, and has lived for the last 30 years with bars on her windows and doors behind a locked gate. Her attacker was convicted because he had attacked other women and they testified as well. She sleeps better now than then; but, it has never left her mind. Sadly, she did not have any therapy ever, so she lives trapped by the it.

But, the reason, that I'm writing this post is to remind you about what is happening. This is not about you. There has never been any allegation about "anal/dildo" anywhere. Stop. Look at what is happening rather than projecting your pain onto a different place and situation.
:hug:
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 03:46 PM
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69. Duhhhhhhh!
Maybe it just me, but having sex with a woman while she is sleeping sound like it happened without her consent. Which is rape. Even if she was sleeping without clothes and had both legs spread eagle, if Assange jumped her while she was sleeping and could not give consent, he is a rapist.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 10:21 AM
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125. Honestly, HK,
the way the supposed rape and rape charges have been handled with Assange makes a mockery of true rape, like the rape you endured. Your rapist should never have been allowed to walk and Assange probably didn't rape anyone. I can see how this would be a horror for you but I think this time, it isn't rape, it's a pretense to stop a man from revealing corporate secrets.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 11:46 AM
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5. This story looks like someone slapped a new date on it and reran it.
Assange wasn't in Sweden last week. :shrug:
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 11:56 AM
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10. There's no new date. This story was from back in August. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:04 PM
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11. You're right. n/t
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 06:23 PM
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89. Assange was hiding in an undisclosed location last week.
Wonder whether he met Dick Cheney? Both may end up in the same place regardless.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 09:17 PM
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97. He was in jail last week. n/t
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 11:46 AM
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6. Yeah, I screwed somebody... we're all criminals. nt
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #6
19. If you don't know the difference between screwing and rape,
I feel sorry for you and everyone you come into contact with.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:28 PM
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20. Have you seen the evidence? Apparently everyone who has sex is a rapist.
Educate yourself, or you're going to have to look at Mom and Dad in a very different way.

We are, apparently, children of rape.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #20
23. Except that's not what the charges against Assange are. Educate YOURSELF.
The charges

Used his body weight to hold down Miss A in a sexual manner.
Had unprotected sex with Miss A when she had insisted on him using a condom.
Molested Miss A "in a way designed to violate her sexual integrity".
Had unprotected sex with Miss W while she was asleep.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11937110
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:02 PM
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28. Except you are the one that needs to educate yourself. The actual police report is here:
Edited on Thu Dec-23-10 01:03 PM by no limit
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assa...

Nowhere in that police report is anything mentioned about using his body weight to hold down miss A or that he molested her.

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"Both complainants say they did not report him to the police for prosecution but only to require him to have an STD test. However, his Swedish lawyer has been shown evidence of their text messages which indicate that they were concerned to obtain money by going to a tabloid newspaper and were motivated by other matters including a desire for revenge."
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:41 PM
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42. The police report is not evidence
And not the sum total of all of the evidence.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #42
50. The police report is the exact summary of the allegations. You are right, its not evidance
the evidance is being hidden from not only us but also Assange's legal team. They will not provide the text messages these 2 women exchanged before going to the police, that alone should tell you they have no ground to stand on.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:34 PM
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37. LOL.. yeah Miss "A"
Ohand the rape charge thats smeared Julian Assanges name around the world? Assanges supposed rape victim chose to throw a party for her alleged assailant after theyd had the sex that even Swedish prosecutors concede was consensual.

Anna Ardin then tweeted to her followers that she is with the the worlds coolest smartest people, its amazing!. Go on the internet and see for yourself. That Ardin has sought unsuccessfully to delete these exculpatory tweets from the public record should be a matter of grave concern. That she has published on the internet a guide on how to get revenge on cheating boyfriends ever graver.

http://foreclosureblues.wordpress.com/2010/12/09/cia-ti... s-chief-accuser/

You are defending a woman who is making a false rape accusation.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:48 PM
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44. And you are engaging in rape apologism
She didn't act like a 'perfect' rape victim therefore she isn't credible. Same shit most victims go through.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #44
51. How many guides have you made for how to get back at cheating boyfriends?
After you were raped did you throw a party for the guy then write your friends about partying with the coolest people on the planet?

You seriously need to stop, this is sad.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #51
62. No, YOU need to stop.
You are smearing these women based on incomplete information from the media and Assange's defense attorney. You don't know what happened and neither do I.
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #23
47. Violated her sleep integrity?
It sounds like BS and it is BS.
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #23
104. they are CLAIMS -not CHARGES and no-where in the official
police report is there any mention of either girl saying NO ! NO ! NO!

so how the HELL does someone know that a person does not want sex if they undress and get into bloody bed with you and discuss condoms?...because that screams loud and clear YES YES YES...please tell me

and when they boast about the next day and when they get back into bed with you it sounds like YES YES YES to me.

I AM A RAPE VICTIM MYSELF when I was young and I did not hold a bloody party for my rapist the following day... I did not get back into bed with them.. I RAN LIKE BLOODY HELL TO GET AS FAR AWAY FROM THEM AS POSSIBLE.
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #20
25. I have not seen the "evidence" because I was not
in the room with those involved. But I'm not a child of rape. Can't speak for your folks however.

Just because rape is difficult to prove doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Educate yourself: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assa...
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:03 PM
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29. Here is the actual police report, read it them tell me that you actually find it credible
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smiley Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #19
32. see post 30...
for a link to the actual charges.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 11:52 AM
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8. No way!!
He has already been convicted. I read about it right here on DU.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:09 PM
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12. Quick Julian, hack the ankle monitor off and get underground!!!
Holder's coming to get you
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:11 PM
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14. Ummm...this is an old article from August
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:29 PM
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21. An unexpected and early gift...
Happier holiday for me, tyvm. May yours be made merrier as well.

Recommended
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:30 PM
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22. The article's from last August. NT
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. And thus should be taken down.
But I guess that's too much to hope for.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. All we can do is alert if we feel it's necessary. The original
poster has to take it down.
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jotsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:20 PM
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34. That's what I get for not checking closer!
More coffee!!!!!!!!!must have more coffee!!
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:12 PM
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31. Ah yes, I remember it well.
Yet even so, he was arrested, am I wrong?

Oh yes, here it is...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/assange-arrested_52...
Officers from the Metropolitan police extradition unit have this morning arrested Julian Assange on behalf of the Swedish authorities on suspicion of rape.


So another warrant was issued.
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/security-bullet-in-1000016... /
The arrest warrant was first issued in November, but was rejected by the Serious Organised Crime Agency (Soca), which processes EAWs on legal grounds. A second was sent on Friday, according to the BBC. Assange is wanted under charges of 'sex by surprise' with two Swedish women, a charge which only seems to exist in Sweden.



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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:19 PM
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33. This was before the USAmerican Empire waded in...
:shrug:
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:39 PM
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39. August? Seriously? Seriously?
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:49 PM
Response to Original message
45. Blah. Was hoping this was current news.
Edited on Thu Dec-23-10 01:51 PM by Matariki
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 02:22 PM
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53. I believe that he should be more responsible with documents that endanger lives
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 02:24 PM
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54. What lives were lost because of wikileaks?
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #54
72. No one can really know. It depends on the sensitivity of the information
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #53
64. And I am convinced the disclosure of those documents
and the revelation of government misbehavior and bad faith will save lives.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #64
73. that's a two edged sword and a slippery slope.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #73
74. When you look at how many people wikileaks has gotten killed
in the last four years and how many people the US MIC has gotten killed, I think you need to conclude that the slope isn't slippery enough and that one side of the sword needs sharpening.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #53
76. Which documents do you have in mind? All of the redacted documents were published by newspapers.

It's the same identical material you will find on WikiLeaks.

The collaborating newspapers went over the documents along with WikiLeaks to make sure that any material that could endanger people was removed before releasing the documents.
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 03:24 PM
Response to Original message
61. lol If rape is having sex without a condom...
...or a broken condom, and molestation is a lesser charge, is he being held because he's a bad kisser?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 03:40 PM
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65. Interesting. I know this was from August, but....
The charges were withdrawn in August. Then a new prosecutor comes on the scene and AGAIN applies charges - just as the original accuser flees to Israel and refuses to cooperate with the Swedish authorities.

Don't tell ME this wasn't politically motivated.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #65
93. the 'flees and refuses cooperation' thing have been debunked i think n/t
Edited on Thu Dec-23-10 07:25 PM by Bodhi BloodWave
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 07:55 PM
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94. You tell me....
Sources in Sweden have told Crikey that Anna Ardin, one of the two complainants in the rape and sexual assault case against WikiLeaks editor-in-chief Julian Assange, has left Sweden, and may have ceased actively co-operating with the Swedish prosecution service and her own lawyer.

~snip

One source from Ardins old university of Uppsala reported rumours that she had stopped co-operating with the prosecution service several weeks ago, and that this was part of the reason for the long delay in proceeding with charges  and what still appears to be an absence of charges.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/09/rundle-r-pe-case-co... /

These quotes don't seem to be definitive proof that Ardin has ceased co=operating.

Do you have any further news?
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 07:06 AM
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113. found the article I had read
http://www.cbsnews.com/8300-503543_162-503543.html?keyw...

The coordinator of a Christian outreach group in the West Bank denied reports Friday that one of two women accusing WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange of sex offenses had left Sweden and traveled to a town in the Palestinian territory.

Australian news website "Crikey" reported on Thursday that Anna Ardin had traveled to the town of Yanoun, in the West Bank, with the Ecumenical Accompaniment Programme in Jerusalem and Israel (EAPPI) earlier this week.

Ardin, however, "cancelled her participation because we anticipated this," program coordinator Pauline Nunu told CBSNews.com Friday morning in a telephone interview. "She's still in Sweden and she's not coming to Palestine."

*snip*

Crikey also claimed, according to unidentified sources in Sweden, that Ardin may no longer be "actively cooperating" with the investigation into the sex allegations, which include rape, against Assange. While nothing has been revealed about the case against Assange by Swedish prosecutor Marriane Ny, there have been no other reports indicating that either of the two complainants have withdrawn their claims, or that they've halted cooperation.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 03:42 PM
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66. the charge was ridiculous to begin with
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 05:10 PM
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83. Oops! Now what will the Spook community do!?
I don't think the can try to render him on rape charges again. It would look way to obvious.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 07:20 PM
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91. So much for some rushes to judgment.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #91
98. So much for reading links. This is from August.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #98
115. Oh, pardon moi for being not as vigilant as you!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 08:28 PM
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96. What a surprise
NOT!
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 01:16 AM
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108. This is news from August 2010....
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Krakowiak Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 01:36 AM
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110. Why is this on the front page? It's from August.
Does anyone read past the headline here?
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 01:37 AM
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111. I'm surprised we didn't see Julian Assange committs suicide... (by accident?)
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the redcoat Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 02:10 AM
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112. UNREC, ARTICLE IS FROM AUGUST.
By not reading the date, you've misinformed a shitload of people that will just read the thread title and not click the link. Good job.
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MikeW Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 08:11 AM
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116. Do any of you people actually read before posting? THIS ARTICLE IS FROM 8/21/10
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IamK Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 08:22 AM
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117. I saw photos of the two women and they looked pretty good...
Not sure ehat that has do do with this thread.
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Chorophyll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 09:35 AM
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121. Yeah. It has NOTHING to do with this thread.
You're welcome.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 08:25 AM
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118. Unrecced and alerted: this article is from August. Warrant long since re-instated. nt
Edited on Fri Dec-24-10 08:26 AM by northernlights
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 09:08 AM
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119. duh. What fools they were for even starting that BS in the first place.
Wonder what country (cough cough US) might have pressured them into getting involved in all this crap???
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 09:25 AM
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120. You know what, it's a good reminder of what actually happened .....
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 10:15 AM
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123. Once again?
Man, those Swedes are confused.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 10:19 AM
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124. How come a post with 77 recs is at the top of the greatest. These recs are not from today. Who's the
administrator of this board?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 10:36 AM
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126. I'm Glad it's Still Up
not sure why you are griping about it being here.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 11:41 AM
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130. It's not still up. It was put back up. So if I become an administrator I can choose what articles I
want to see put up at the top of the greatest page each day? I can go back and find old rec'd articles and put them up whenever I want and you're okay with that? What if they are pro-Obama posts that got lots of recs. It's okay to post those several times a day at the top of the greatest? I personally don't think it's okay for anyone to decide other than DU as a whole.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 10:50 AM
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129. Oh Noes !!!!
Edited on Fri Dec-24-10 10:50 AM by marmar
Cats and dogs living together.......


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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 10:45 AM
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127. thanks for reposting an important part of this history -- it seems 'forgotten' by some. nt
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