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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 10:31 PM
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Paid callers for right wing radio need to be investigated.
Today Rush Limbaugh denied using paid callers in response to an article, Radio Daze, by Liel Leibovitz. While he is a pro at denying reality, I can believe him. Radio talkers like Limbaugh and Hannity may be unaware they are being duped.

It makes for better talk if they don’t know. One of the functions of paid callers to their shows would be to reinforce their credibility, worship them, and feed their enormous highly paid egos so it makes sense that they would be out of the loop. Doubt created by knowing their worshippers may be fakes would damage their certitude, which is paramount for selling their message.

Most talk radio hosts have regular and favorite callers who get through. How many are paid callers? I heard one today on the Ed Schultz show saying how wonderful a voter ID law will be for Wisconsin. It was a voice I had heard before and Ed seemed to recognize him. Ed disagreed but the caller made his sales pitch.

If there are banks of paid callers calling radio talk shows from right wing think tanks or government agencies Americans need to know about it.

This level of coordinated misinformation makes national discussions of important problems impossible and short circuits the feedback loops that democracy depends on.

It is fraud. And money is changing hands. Advertisers need to know if they are sponsoring paid political propaganda as opposed to entertainment, which is how the right wing talkers are sold.

Right wing radio is the GOP’s most important media tool. If the GOP is using hired callers and organizing scripted callers for national and local radio talk shows to push referenda, legislation, and candidates and attack others all year around should the money used be included in filings to the Federal Election Commission (FEC)?

The Federal Communication Commission (FCC) needs to know. If it’s fraudulent advertising should the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and other federal agencies investigate? Maybe the Better Business Bureau needs to know.

If staff and owners of stations know paid callers are being bumped to the top of the order are they complicit?

Here are some excerpts from Radio Daze by Liel Leibovitz:

A short while later, he received the following email: “Thank you for auditioning for Premiere On Call.” it said. “Your audition was great! We’d like to invite you to join our official roster of ‘ready-to-work’ actors.” The job, the email indicated, paid $40 an hour, with one hour guaranteed per day.



But what exactly was the work? The question popped up during the audition and was explained, the actor said, clearly and simply: If he passed the audition, he would be invited periodically to call in to various talk shows and recite various scenarios that made for interesting radio. He would never be identified as an actor, and his scenarios would never be identified as fabricated—which they always were.



Curious, the actor did some snooping and learned that Premiere On Call was a service offered by Premiere Radio Networks, the largest syndication company in the United States and a subsidiary of Clear Channel Communications, the entertainment and advertising giant. Premiere syndicates some of the more sterling names in radio, including Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and Sean Hannity. But a great radio show depends as much on great callers as it does on great hosts: Enter Premiere On Call.



Rachel Nelson, a Premiere Radio Networks spokesperson, defended the Premiere on Call service and said that responsibility for how it is employed falls ultimately to those who use it.

“Premiere provides a wide variety of audio services for radio stations across the country, one of which is connecting local stations in major markets with great voice talent to supplement their programming needs,” Nelson wrote in an email. “Voice actors know this service as Premiere On Call. Premiere, like many other content providers, facilitates casting—while character and script development, and how the talent’s contribution is integrated into programs, are handled by the varied stations."


That may be the case on a non political basis but I doubt many local stations or even the national talkers and their staffs do much of this except in relation to some mechanism that ensures the paid callers don’t have to wait long.

The main national right wing talkers are well coordinated as a unit on a daily basis. The main ones regurgitate much of the same material. They’re getting paid millions to sell national GOP and US Chamber of Commerce talking points. To be useful the call needs to be timed right and be on topic. And to be successful they have to get past the call screener. Paid callers are not going to be waiting for 2 hours and maybe not get on. How does the call screener know he needs to let the paid caller through? Maybe they have their own area code. Or password.

Do the Heritage Foundation, US Chamber of Commerce, and the Pentagon have their own paid caller banks? Do they compete? Do lobbyists use them to stop or push legislation? The Abramoff emails had some references to coordinating radio when trying to influence politicians. Local right wing talkers often reinforce the national shows and coordinate with state and local GOP political needs. Are they getting preferred topics lists and how are these coordinated with paid callers on a national scale?

What percentage of the calls that make it through to Limbaugh and Hannity during a day, reaching many millions of listeners, are from real callers? The real answer may be very embarrassing considering how few they usually take in a day. How will their loyal callers, who try in vain for years, feel when they find out the paid callers always get bumped to the top?

How much do Limbaugh and Hannity depend on paid callers to reinforce, worship, prompt a talking point, start a buzz, inject a rumor, attack a political enemy, distort, divert blame, or make an excuse. Or teach a nation of teabaggers 2+2=3 and prompt them to scream 2+2=3! in town halls.

Constituencies for or against any issue can be created with a few paid callers reinforcing radio talkers. The talkers read variations of the same script, paid callers represented as the public agree but never disagree, and the whole program reaches 50 million Americans a week. Republican politicians don’t need to listen to the public anymore. How many GOP positions are taken because they know they can create an enabling constituency in days or weeks?

What part did paid callers play to reinforce and rationalize the talking points for going into Iraq, make excuses for a dry drunk AWOL dictator wannabe, sell wall street deregulation, praise an unqualified supreme court nominee, swiftboat a war hero or dedicated public servant, and attack publicly financed broadcasting? Or call single payer a communist plot, create death panels, ACORN voter ‘fraud’, or get certain uncooperative Attorney Generals fired? How many were paid to repeat the phrase "Tiller the baby killer?" How many are calling pro Walker radio stations in Wisconsin.

If the GOP has a problem and wants a distraction it can turn a molehill into a mountain in a day. Madison Avenue can’t create that kind of buzz. Just get some paid callers on 200 or 600 radio stations to reinforce a host who just introduced a lie or anecdote or rumor and by prime time it becomes real and true and big in the rest of the media.

On several occasions I have heard what seemed like a staged series of calls coordinated to lay out all the most important RW talking points on a particular topic, like attacking Iraq- why we needed to go, why we need to stay, and why critics are traitors. And by the way, life on an aircraft carrier is fun! Ending with a nasty jerk with an arab accent badmouthing America. Or a slurred-mouthed hippie asking "What about peace, dude... can't we all just get along?" And now for some more calls, folks, doesn't that last guy make you mad? All lines are open!

How many politicians were made or destroyed and how much legislation was passed or obstructed because the Karl Roves could inject a groundswell buzz of worship or lies into the national media whenever they wanted? Or present ten possible excuses for why such and such a GOP politician shouldn't go to jail? Or why a particular investigation is un-American.

Progressive talkers Randi Rhodes and Thom Hartmann and Stephanie Miller like to call them out or play with them when they hit their shows. But they may not always be obvious. And while most national right wing talkers do anything they can to avoid dissenting callers the progressive talkers often have to beg and challenge to get conservative callers- it makes for better radio.

Paid callers make a total joke of the claim that right wing talk radio dominance is based on market forces and popular demand. Right wing talkers are constantly saying “The American people want so and so” and the rest of the media often agree. Talk radio talkers on TV are often asked what their callers have been saying.

And how can our universities continue to rationalize broadcasting their sports on stations using paid callers to deny global warming/climate change?

If Americans don't demand investigations they are democratically suicidal. Whistleblowers need to be encouraged- not only the paid callers but call screeners and other radio staff.

If Limbaugh and Hannity and Beck are not taking paid callers they should encourage an investigation to clear them.

Federal Communications Commission
Consumer & Governmental Affairs Bureau
Consumer Complaints
445 12th Street, SW
Washington, D.C. 20554
1-888-CALL-FCC (1-888-225-5322) voice or 1-888-TELL- FCC (1-888-835-5322) TTY

Americans need to take this seriously. Free speech is a joke until the radio is fixed.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 10:35 PM
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1. My vote for funniest post of the day
You write,
"Today Rush Limbaugh denied using paid callers in response to an article, Radio Daze, by Liel Leibovitz. While he is a pro at denying reality, I can believe him."

I swear a nearly spit out the fine libation I was consuming as I read these words.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 12:01 AM
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5. i redid those sentences a couple of times
his ability to deny and rationalize that denial is his true genius.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 05:39 AM
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7. PS- he also denies global warming
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 10:52 PM
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2. Personally, I find Limbaugh, Hanity Beck, etc distasteful
Edited on Mon Mar-07-11 10:53 PM by pipoman
My guess is that they really don't need paid worshipers, nor paid callers to fill their air time. There are thousands of local shows and nobodies whose air would be dead without paid callers. The well known wingers have enough markets on their syndication list to keep them busy. The markets all have enough nut jobs and koolaid drinkers to keep them busy.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 11:23 PM
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3. national talkers don't want nutjob racist calls
they don't want to alienate the rest of the base and their advertisers. limbaugh is racist but does it with 'subtlety' and 'humor' with a few overt examples once in a while. they don't want to put their stars in the position of having to agree or disagree or condemn or not condemn them in front of millions.

and their time is too valuable to put on idiots. they want callers who will reinforce the talking points. only occasionally do dissenters get through, either by purposefully or accidentally fooling the expert call screeners or if they have a speech impediment or stereotypical accent or sound like and incredibly dumb 'liberal' who limbaugh/hannity can spar with and or talk over.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 11:29 PM
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4. You are exactly right!
Cheers!
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 01:43 AM
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6. I agree with you
Paid callers are propagandists, not random opinions generated by those who'd actually pick up the phone and call the local or national talk radio program.

It's a lie, and it needs to be exposed on a national level.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 06:00 AM
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8. "I did not have oral with that caller, that paid SuckerPuppet." - Rush DraftDodger Limbaugh (R)
Edited on Tue Mar-08-11 06:02 AM by SpiralHawk
"As a $40 million a year Republicon propagandist, I can of course be (smirk) trusted. Smirk."

- Rush DraftDodger Limbaugh (R)
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 06:07 AM
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9. I'm still amazed at how ignorant people are.
Why can't they learn that they're being manipulated?

Funny, I actually know the answer to that.
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ReggieVeggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 06:25 AM
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10. why?
really, no harm no foul...it may be disgusting, but who's at fault? who can be held accountable? And, really, what's the crime?
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 08:10 AM
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16. start with lying us into a trillion dollar war, bank deregulation,
character 'assassination' (shirley sherrod, van jones, acorn, any democratic candidate, and on and on), threats resulting in death, racism, and so on. possibly worst of all it is allowing the kochs and others to delay action on global warming.

is it illegal? i'm not a lawyer.

but as is, the talk radio monopoly makes bipartisanship and democracy impossible.

and true conservatives should be concerned that it is taking the GOP off a cliff, and the country with it.
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ReggieVeggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #16
31. you're giving right-wing radio far too much credit
as much influence as it may have, it's still insignificant overall
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 03:04 PM
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33. the RW radio monopoly dominates messaging in the US
it can turn a molehill into a mountain in a day and make real mountains disappear with distractions. it can shout over all other messaging. that why dems can't message shit.

there's no other medium that can create like 1000 coordinated radio stations and the unchallenged repetition only it is capable of.

the left has been completely out maneuvered the last 20 years because it would rather listen to music than get a headache from listening to the right's most important weapon.

the left has been giving the right a total free speech free ride to attack and lie and distort and take free potshots at its reps.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 06:29 AM
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11. doubt it. i bet limbaugh gets the questions the paid callers are going to ask in advance.
he's not just some dumb bunny unknowingly being fed softball questions.

limbaugh has never been able to make it with unscreened guests/calls/questions.

it's been softball pre-scripted questions from day one, in my opinion.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 11:35 AM
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19. If anyone needs further proof regarding Limbaugh's need for spoon-feeding,
they only have to look at his track record over the last 20+ years of NEVER having been willing to engage in any kind of serious debate with anyone having an opposing viewpoint.

NEVER ONCE, NEVER AT ALL!

Troll fans of the Drugster...come back at me with any "evidence" to counter this, because I know you don't have SQUAT!
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 03:07 PM
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34. +100.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 06:35 AM
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12. K & R
Excellent OP!!! May I have permission to use/re-post on my blog?
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 07:28 AM
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13. lovely
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-11 05:26 PM
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38. thanks proud liberal, did you get any feedback?
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 07:44 AM
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14. Unethical, Yes...Illegal, No...
In the summer of '88 I met with a man who was "consulting" a new breed of talk radio. The plan was to "spice" things up...turn what he considered as "boring" talk radio and turn it into the new "hot hits". It was riling people up...pissing them off and boiling their blood so that they'd keep listening. Gone were the kindly old lady who meant well but sounded boring...gone were the intellectual who turned talk radio into "NPR Jr.". The format was to be high volume and high octane. Calls were to be screened very closely to use them "like records"...you play the type of call to set the tempo you want. Instead of taking a dozen random calls, you only took 4 or 5 "focused" calls...either supporting your opinion or tearing down that of the other side. And, most importantly, if you can't find the callers who will make the show roll, you make your own.

Investigate as you will...having ringer phone calls are common across the dial. Recently there was a mini scandal at a major market station in Chicago when it was exposed that management was encouraging station employees to call in on a show that was struggling. In my way too many years in and around the radio world I saw all sorts of ways hosts would stack their phone lines with friends or other talk show hosts...you scratch my line, I'll scratch yours. And it's not just hate talk where this happens...sports talk is also a popular place to plant callers as is "advice" shows. And "shudder"...I've heard "ringers" call into Progressive talk shows as well. Nothing scares an talk show host more than having to fill an hour by themselves and it's a program director's worst nightmare. Callers are the "hits" and the "props" that drive the engine...and if that means feeding a couple of piastres to get the "right" callers, so be it.

There's no law that says you can't pay people to call into a show...or that you even have to disclose this is being done. The FCC is more concerned about Janet Jackson's nips than the real boobs who polute our public airwaves. It's just another symptom of the death of broadcast radio that now only caters to the angry old white guy.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 07:57 AM
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15. i don't buy it. entertainment is one thing and nationally coordinated
propaganda (on public air waves from stations licensed to operate in the public interest) designed to lie and attack and obstruct is why we are in this mess and it needs to be disclosed so that listeners and advertisers know.

it is fraud, whether limbaugh and gang know it is happening or not.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 08:38 AM
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17. It's All About The Benjamins...
Your propaganda is their profit. That's what drives corporate media and has this mindset and largess has led it to bankrupt itself first morally and then economically.

In the 90s few people were listening to AM radio...all the music was on FM and this left hundreds of stations with dead formats. Along came Rushbo with cheap programming that did draw listeners. It also allowed stations to fire local talent. Add to this "Deregulation" that opened the floodgates for the corporates to gobble up thousands of stations and use the same template cross the country and hate radio flourished. It saved stations from going bust...at least until the bottom fell out of the economy in recent years. Now it's all these struggling companies and stations have left. Listeners under 40 are gone to internet or IPods and attempts at Progressive and Liberal talk have done poorly...but it's all these sad corporates have left...victims of their own greed and largess.

Sadly the concept of Public Airwaves went out the door with the rounds of dereg in the 80s and 90s that turned them into a plantation of the corporates. They inflated property values just like a real estate bubble to keep competition out and then when the market went bust they're now fighting billions in debt by downsizing and cheapening even further.

Of course Rushbo knows the deceit that's going on...it's made him a very wealth man. The corporates have benefitted as well as it's the rushpublicans, along with a big assist to Bill Clinton, that allowed them to turn those "public" airwaves into the cesspool it currently is. Statistics say most people know there's "fraud" out there...or at least dishonesty...as hate radio's ratings continue to fade. The problem is those inside the beltway who are drawn to it like moths to a flame and echo every outrage that gives this dying medium far more importance than it deserves...
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 11:25 AM
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18. the radio business itself is one thing, with individual stations
or multi station owners looking to sell ad time.

the use of the talk radio monopoly with it's ability to dominate/feed/manage all other political messaging has been priceless. and it has only been successful because it has been analyzed too often as a business selling ad time rather than the word's loudest megaphone for corporate greed, subsidized with billions to make trillions

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 12:26 PM
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20. That's For A Limited But Influential Audience...
It's been called the Mighty Wurltizer...an effective use of many mediums by the right wing for their messaging and hate radio is just one cog. By itself it would mean little as the actual numbers of listeners...like the number of viewers of Faux Noise is a small portion of the voting populace. Say Faux on a good night draws 3 million people...that's far below the 100 plus who will be casting votes next year. However these medium are used to stovepipe messages and "controversies". You can see it start with either a press release or a news conference from some party domo that puts the talking point out...its sucked up by blogs and press that is then spread to hate radio and echoed until it becomes the "major story" on the evening cable shows.

But this is not related to the staging of phone calls...those are done in many formats and mostly as a way to fill air time. If the host has an agenda, they're going to say it whether there are callers or not. Shamefully our "public airwaves" have eroded into echo chambers and corporate tools.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 02:07 PM
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29. i mostly agree there but i think paid callers would play an important
part validating and reinforcing the main message. each caller can represent millions, in a way.

they are votes of confidence in what the talker is saying, and that's important when creating consensus and selling lies and distortions and fear.
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 12:34 PM
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21. You all take "right wing radio" too seriously.
It's like the people who think wrestling is real.

It's all fake. Their opinions. Their callers. All of it. It's the same as the Howard Stern show or Opie & Anthony. It's just entertainment with no claim to be honest or trustworthy.
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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 12:44 PM
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24. Tell That
to the 3,000,000 daily listeners that cling to and repeat every word that come's out of the pie holes of these pukes.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 01:59 PM
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28. and tell that to the thousands of troops that probably wouldn't
have gone to iraq if bush didn't have 1000 coordinated radio stations pumping fear and misinformation all day.

we're in this disaster because the left stuck their fingers in their ears or stuck in more music and waited till it showed up later in prime time, too late to fix.
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 02:11 PM
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30. Limbaugh didn't send anyone into Iraq.
It was congress who was lied to by the Bush Admin with MOST of the citizens in the country supporting them in their post 9/11 fear. I know plenty of liberals who wanted revenge for 9/11 and were accepting that Iraq was possibly involved and were ok with us going there.

Nice try blaming Limbaugh but YOU are the only people giving him any real credibility. The Repubs listening to him are too stupid to comprehend that what he's telling them isn't real and they're just along for the ride cause they like hearing someone who agrees with them.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 02:56 PM
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32. who did you think did the groundwork repetition for the lies?
it's the same with most of the crap the GOP has pulled the last 20 years. the only place it can get coordinated unchallenged repetition to "catapult the propaganda" as bush said, is on RW radio. every other medium has to at least pretend to show both sides.

and there's no louder attacker of the bush critics than the radio chickenhawk, whether in the media or in congress. talk radio was essential for selling the lies and fear and shouting down critics.

"It was congress who was lied to by the Bush Admin with MOST of the citizens in the country supporting them in their post 9/11 fear"
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 12:35 PM
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22. Thank God our armed forces are hearing this honest dialogue
n/t
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reformist2 Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 12:38 PM
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23. Rush's show is classified as entertainment programming. Of course it's scripted!

Even reality TV is scripted. Because it makes for better entertainment.

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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 01:52 PM
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26. sold as entertainment, but it is the most important propaganda
tool the right has- mainly because the left also buys the lie that it is just entertainment- nothing to see here....
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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 01:12 PM
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25. This doesn't pass the common sense test
limbaugh has millions of listeners (robot followers).
Why with such a pool of like small minds would he need to fake a call?
Too optimistic to think this country can't provide him with the tools he needs to put on the air.
Also, the last I listened to him (in the 90's!) he was taking like, one call an hour, but mostly listening to himself talk for three hours. Does he even take calls anymore?
In any case, I think he could take call after call for three hours and cherry pick whatever he wants with endless wingers lining up to repeat his whining.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 01:55 PM
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27. no, his time is very valuable, 3 hours of left bashing and pro corporate
propaganda. and they need to feed his giant fragile ego, not put on a bunch of racist mouthbreathers.
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The Nexus Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 03:52 PM
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35. Fraud? No. Deadly, seditious, insurection? Hellz yeah!!!!
Edited on Tue Mar-08-11 03:54 PM by The Nexus
Look at incidents like Tucsan and Oklahoma City. They really want a war with liberals and progressives.
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EnlightenedOne Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 04:28 PM
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36. I'm sure there were paid callers calling into C-SPAN too
ESPECIALLY during the Bush/Cheney administation, they all said the exact same thing and sounded as if they were reading from a script - "We are so happy that God put GWB in the White House", and we are so glad that we have such a good christian man as GWB in the White House, etc.
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-11 05:34 PM
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37. they have two lines and try to take them evenly but
the phone trolls i'll be also try to pretend to be liberals- the concern troll types.
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