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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:45 PM
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eye lid infection, swollen shut for over a week. Two antibiotics not clearing it up, getting worse
Long story - had what I thought was a sty a week ago, next morning my eyelid was puffy. The day after that it was so hugely swollen that the eye was barely open. Undereye was puffy too. The following day (Monday) the whole side of my face was puffy, sore to the touch and I went to my doc, who prescribed an antibiotic orally and another antibiotic eyedrop.
Things continued to go downhill. Tuesday I went to work with an eyepatch to keep the eye calm, and it became even more swollen.
By wednesday the tenderness in my face started to abate, but I had the headache from hell. Continued Thursday with only one eye open. By now the eye was weeping clear sticky stuff, but my face wasn't swollen much (except above and below eye)
Friday I went to see doc again, couldn't open my eye without using my fingers to pry it open. He sent me to opthamalogist, who said my eyeball was ok so lets see tomorrow if the antibiotic has done anything better... So today I went back. My eye was clearly not better - eyelid is red, angry, extremely swollen and has open sore at edge of lid. He gives me lidocain , flips the lid open and slices into the sore spot to see if there was a pus pocket. There wasn't. My eye is getting glued shut by milky yellow goo that takes a couple minutes with a hot washcloth to soften enough to force it open.
I go back on monday, but have had to miss three days of work (and have only been on the job 4 months).
Has this ever happened to you? Any clues what the heck it is, or how to help it heal?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:49 PM
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1. have you checked in with an eye doc?
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:52 PM
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4. my doc sent me to eye doc friday, and i had followup today
He doesn't know what or why, just that maybe monday he will change the antibiotic if it isn't improving.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:58 PM
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26. try alternatiing hot and cold compresses. that is what you do to
open a blocked duct.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:14 AM
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30. My eye doctor told me NOT to put 'cold' on mine.
Last year I had a blocked duct stye and I was using ice before I went to the doctor.
The doctor said that 'cold' will make it worse.

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:02 AM
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39. ah. ok. worked for one I had. I guess it depends on what actually
you have.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:08 AM
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41. Yeah. If it is 'oil' blocking the duct then 'heat' is what gets it to start to unclog. n/t
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:51 PM
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2. What a nightmare...please keep us informed..
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canetoad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:52 PM
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3. Don't stop doing what your doc says
But you can try bathing the eye with cold tea. Wont hurt, may give some relief.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:55 PM
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5. thanks, will try that...
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KathieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 10:58 PM
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6. Did they do a culture to try to identify the culprit?
it may be that the antibiotic they gave you wasn't the best kind for the "bug" that you have. It does sound like a bacterial infection to me. Hope you are feeling better soon!
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:02 PM
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7. no... That is a great idea! on monday I can ask him if he could do that.
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cognoscere Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:15 PM
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15. Exactly what I was going to say. Between gram positve and gram negative,
bactericidal and bacteriostatic, hell it might be fungal. Opthamologist is probably the best route.
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NillaWafers Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:17 AM
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33. Bingo! That is a great idea. n/t
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:02 PM
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8. Perhaps this might be useful:
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:06 PM
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11. sad to say but I wish my eye looked even half that good...
:-)

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marzipanni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:38 PM
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22. That picture is of an inflammation of the eyelid
This is a bacterial infection photo from that website-
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/medical/IM03093

I'm sorry you're having such a problem with your eye.
I don't think you should put tea on your eye unless you brew it, then boil it for a few minutes (although a cool tea bag is an old home remedy for a stye). I read that making sun tea isn't a good idea because tea leaves might not be perfectly clean and some bacteria from the leaves could grow in the tepid tea. I wouldn't want to expose your already infected eye to any other "bug".
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Zoigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:02 PM
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9. Hope the eye is better today..wish you lived in our area.
Would get you an appointment with one of the best ophthalmologists
in the business. (IMO, of course)....z
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:05 PM
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10. be sure to throw away your makeup
...and don't use the washcloth from the infected eye on the other side of the face.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:08 PM
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12. oy! Had not thought of that, but you are so right... mascara goes int he trash now!
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:12 PM
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13. Have you had chicken pox, shingles, or other stuff caused
by the herpes virus, like cold sores? If so, it could be a herpes attack, and that is viral not bacterial, so the antibiotics are not the right course. Let your doc know if you have had these viruses. They lay dormant in you for years, and can come back as another malady in another area. If you had chicken pox as a kid, your more likely to get shingles, cold sores, and a herpes attack over or around your eye.

Consider cold presses for relief of the swelling.

Hope you are better soon.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:17 PM
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16. i've had chicken pox 3 times, once as a kid, tiwce more when my child got it
My family has a history of not developing immunity to common childhood illnesses - stuff everyone says you can only get once. I will call my internists service tomorrow to ask if he might want to call in an antiviral.... Thank you! That is actually very hopeful news! :)
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:23 PM
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19. I had a friend who had this over his eye...looked dreadful, but some
antiviral cleared it up. I think it was a shot, don't recall, it was 30 years ago, but I'd be willing to bet that's your answer.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:29 PM
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20. The suggestion of herpes is a good one
I had what my doctor thought was a recurrent antibiotic resistant strep infection in my left hand for 35 years. It would flare up every six months or so. Sometimes it affected my lymph system so the entire left arm was painfully sore.

The thing progressed, moving from my finger tip to the web of the thumb and stopped responding to most antibiotics that were prescribed. The doctor got so he would give me the pack of samples for the latest antibiotic to see if they would knock it out.

My old doctor retired and the first time I had a flare up the new doctor came up with the possibility of a herpes infection. He prescribed Valtrix, an anti-viral that has lots of generics.

Now instead of trying the newest, most expensive antibiotics to knock out the infection after it has gotten out of hand, as soon as I feel the precursor soreness and hypersensitivity, I take the antiviral and it never gets bad. And the generic for Valtrix is about $5-6!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:15 PM
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14. Something bite you?
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:19 PM
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17. we searched for any sign of a spider bite, but there was nothing we could see, and
in truth - we haven't seen many spiders about yet this spring....
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:38 PM
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23. Get better soon. Hug.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:22 PM
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18. OMG! that sounds like a nightmare version of my spring allergies!
Edited on Sat Mar-05-11 11:34 PM by NuttyFluffers
whenever i would visit family during spring in CA central valley and spend the night, the next morning my eyes would be GLUED SHUT by yellow crusts and leak yellow viscous goo. basically, i would wake up, not be able to open my eyes, have them be swollen and itchy, and essentially start to cry because i think i'm now blind.

my mom noticed this happened to her, and my older sibling, and what she would do is get a hot washcloth to soak my lids until the crust and goo would soften to be wiped away. it was a massive histamine reaction to all the pollen (and god knows what else floating in the air) of CA agricultural valley. after wiping away the gluey goo, my eyes would itch and burn and be red, angry, and swollen. (edit: i would have white sticky stuff ooze from the inside corner of my eye, where one of the ducts are, if i was lucky. the white sticky stuff would yellow over and crust up from prolonged exposure to air. if i didn't ooze though, my eye would get a "sty" soon after, then balloon by the next day. my mom rarely messed around and busted out the Benadryl ASAP.) had to take an antihistamine, which in those days made you pass out from drowsiness. once we'd drive back to SF Bay Area, my allergies would calm down to a more bearable level.

the only other time i had a reaction as bad was when i was on Allegra or Zyrtec for any length of time. they seem to have 'hit the reset button' on my allergy resistance and all hell would break loose. i'd get the yellow, sticky goo -- and hardened crusts -- and i'd have allergy reactions continue outside my 'normal range' of a few irritable weeks in spring, sometimes well into winter. ever since then i've avoided Allegra and Zyrtec-like allergy products like the plague, having no intentions of being dependent upon them year-round, OR ELSE.

one of my worst cases was when my tear ducts would become clogged with said-histamine goo and would create a sty-like condition. if i could not dissolve it with a hot water soaked washcloth then the condition would rapidly turn into a swollen lid. more histamine was being made, along with tears, but there was nowhere to drain out. doctors would try normal sty treatment, but antibiotics have no use against allergies, so it was pointless. it would take me minutes of vigorous arguing with the doctor that i've seen this before and it was an allergic reaction (if the doctor has never seen such a reaction before -- you'll be surprised how much doctors have never seen).

but i have never had a condition that was as bad as yours (edit: i have had the swollen face and headache, but never where they needed to slice open my eyelid because they were scared how large it was). i'm glad you went to an eye doctor (ophthalmologist). it sounds extremely familiar to my family condition, but on a far greater scale. i'd trust a professional's decision here. my only questions to you are, have you used Allegra/Zyrtec regularly and recently stopped? are you living in a new area where you never experienced their allergy season before? if not, then your condition is most likely more complicated and you should pay attention to your doctor.

however, i have learned to deal with such conditions far faster than modern medicine has -- for my case and my case only. i take a Claritin (Loratidine) antihistamine to hold back more histamine reactions (stop additional goo production). then i soak my eye in a hot water soaked washcloth to get rid of the excess crusted goo on my eye. next, if it's a mild case (my tear ducts are not blocked, creating sty-like or swollen eye area conditions), after the area is cleaned as well as possible, i use a Collyrium eye wash -- Baush & Lomb have a nice Collyrium eye wash with a convenient eye cup to use. this helps soothe the eye and gently wash clean the tear ducts and keep the area moist. if it is far worse than that, all puffy and scary looking, i use a few drops of Castor Oil directly into the eye and around the eye area. That stuff is like magic, it actually dissolves the blockage and returns normal drainage. within hours puffiness is considerably better and the condition visibly reverses itself. Castor Oil also works like magic on my regular styes (and pimples, blackheads, and sebaceous cysts), as well. something about its sebacic acid and high vitamin E content, i guess.

hope you get better! :hug:
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marzipanni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:55 PM
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25. May I ask if you apply castor oil to pimples, or clean your skin with it?
My 16-year-old son is having problems with acne. He has faithfully followed a drug store version of proactive with benzoyl peroxide and Retinol but I think it's harsh.
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Marie Marie Donating Member (709 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:33 PM
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21. Yes, I had the same type of thing a few years ago.
If I remember correctly, I think it was a combination of an antibiotic plus an antihistamine (for the swelling) that finally brought the swelling down and it began to clear up. Don't know if it is the same thing that you have but I hope your eye gets better soon.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-05-11 11:46 PM
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24. DO NOT USE AN EYE-PATCH. You are making a warm, comfy bacteria nursery on your eye.
Edited on Sat Mar-05-11 11:47 PM by Maru Kitteh
I want to chime in with a second reminder to have someone culture this bad boy. YURK. What kind of antibiotic were you put on? What instructions were given with your antibiotics?

This sounds just god-awful.


If you were prescribed Tobradex (tobramycin) it's time to step it up - AND - you should have been given some steroids to ease your swelling and discomfort.

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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:11 AM
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27. It happened to me last year... this is what I did....
Edited on Sun Mar-06-11 12:55 AM by Tx4obama
The kind of stye I had happened because of the blocking of an oil gland at the base of the eyelash on my lower eyelid, it was a really BIG lump and it made my eye swell shut.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalazion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stye

Went to the eye doctor.
Doctor said there are SEVERAL oil glands and when one becomes clogged it causes a bump and swelling.
Doctor said to put a warm/hot washcloth on it every couple of hours for 10 minutes.
Gave me a prescription for $100 eye drops (which I didn't fill because it wasn't an antibiotic, only something to take away any itching).

What I did was put a wet washcloth in the 'microwave' and heated it up.
Kept the warm/hot washcloth on my eye for as long as it stayed hot and then nuked it again and again - kept the heat on the eye for a total of 15 minutes at a time - and repeated the procedure EVERY hour. It feels good to have the heat on it.
The heat helps the oil to loosen so the stye can come to a head faster and the oil can ooze out.
Some swelling went down by bedtime and it was completely gone in about three days, if I remember correctly.


Btw: My aunt has had Blepharitis a couple of times. (which wasn't what my stye was).
We found some info regarding that several years ago and she uses 'Johnsons Baby Shampoo' to wash her eyelashes whenever she has the first signs of the crusting at the eyelashes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blepharitis


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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:09 AM
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42. Also, be sure to use a new clean washcloth each day for the infected eye. n/t
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:32 AM
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46. Use one cloth for 24 hours? Gross. How many jaziliion bacteria are incubating in that cloth?
ewwwwwwww.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:47 AM
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47. If it is a blocked oil gland there won't be jazillion bacteria
Edited on Sun Mar-06-11 01:50 AM by Tx4obama
Besides rinsing it out every hour or so and zapping it in the microwave is going to kill any germs.
12 to 16 clean wash cloths each day is a bit overboard.

* And nuke the wash cloth in a clean glass bowl, don't just lay it in the there on the turnstile.


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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:12 AM
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28. What a horrible thing to have happen. I'm thinking of you and sending
prayers and vibes for a speedy recovery.

A health site maintained by the Australian recommends the hot cloths to draw out pus from infected styes but advises to toss after each use them as eye infections are very transmissible.

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.ns...




:hug:
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roxiejules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:14 AM
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29. Good info with pics at this link
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:34 AM
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35. Conjunctivitis is my definition, infection of the conjunctiva. The OP says their eye is/was fine,
Edited on Sun Mar-06-11 12:34 AM by Maru Kitteh
it's the eyelid that's the problem.
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:15 AM
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31. My friend is home with pink eye this week. I hope you feel better.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:16 AM
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32. My son had something like this
It turned out to be shingles. He saw several doctors before it was diagnosed. He's 31 so they were looking for something bacterial rather tha shingles. Once he had the right meds, he healed quickly.

Good luck.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:16 AM
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44. I'm sorry that happened to you son. Did he have any other manifestations? How did they figure
it out? I've never heard of H. zoster popping back up that way .. wow. Kudos to the clinician who helped your son.
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:30 AM
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34. I had something like this - finally went to an Urgent Care and got
antibiotics and I think, some atropine drops(?) Never did a culture - I was taking a couple of classes and missed too many; could not withdraw and could not catch up on projects, so had to take a fail - sux. Glad it wasn't even half-load.

Hang in there and follow doctors orders, but be pro-active if you have the least inclination the antibiotics aren't working...don't tug on the closed lid and once you wipe away the goo when necessary
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:41 AM
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36. I'd suggest conjunctivitis
but that's first grade to an opthamologist. The sticky yellow stuff seals up your eye so you have to wipe your eye before you can open it.

Sounds perhaps like a corneal tear? I honestly can't give much in the way of suggestions, as you're seeing the eye doctor who would have made these suggestions and many more.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:50 AM
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37. One of things I'd definitely do would be to try to irrigate the eye --
which you can do a number of ways --

warm water -- and some peroxide -- well diluted --

you can put some of that on a q-tip near where you think the stye is or

the stuck gland.

You can put some of it on a warm face cloth and squeeze it a bit over the eye.

Some will probably seep in.

If you have an eye dropper -- or one of those cups that come with things for dry

eyes like "Fresh Eyes" by Collyrium -- I'd definitely use some of it directly on eye.

Remember this is peroxide -- WELL DILUTED!! Not directly from the bottle!!

*****************************************************************************

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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 12:54 AM
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38. I have blepharitis. It started out really bad like you describe....
Edited on Sun Mar-06-11 01:19 AM by Lisa0825
It took me months to get diagnosed. For about the first 5 months, I was in constant discomfort. I went into depression, feeling like I couldn't bear to go to work everyday, and how would I go on? Finally I found a good eye doc who knew what was going on. It took a few more months to get under control... doxycycline (I take Oracea because it is less harsh on the stomach) as an anti-inflammatory agent and flax seed oil.

In the past 2 years, I have gone from wondering how long I could live like this, to several months of feeling good 3 weeks a month and bad one week, to finally getting to the point that I have 1-2 bad days most months.

I don't know if this is what you are facing or not, but if it is, the problem is that there is not as much invested in this as problems which cause blindness. It is considered "not threatening to sight," but I think they underestimate the effect on quality of life. Some people find relief from different types of drops, or little inserts that gradually dissolve, or ductal plugs. There are many things to try.

There is a website I got a lot of info from: http://www.dryeyezone.com/talk/forum.php

I hope you find a good eye doc that will help you.

P.S. If you are prescribed either Oracea or Azasite, which are both pricey, I found discount cards at both of their websites back then, and my doc had a promo discount card for Azasite as well. ANYTIME you get prescribed an expensive med, always look for discounts! It has helped me many times!
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:05 AM
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40. Lisa 0825 Here's a tip for blepharitis
Edited on Sun Mar-06-11 01:21 AM by Tx4obama
My aunt gets blepharitis, mainly the crusting.
The doctor gave her medicine and it didn't work very well.
We found out that washing the eyelashes and eyelids with Johnson's Baby Shampoo works great.
If I remember correctly she puts a diluted dab on the eyelashes for a minute then rinses.
She used to do this routine every morning for awhile until it went away and now only every once in awhile.
Hope that helps.


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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:17 AM
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45. Believe me... I tried it all including baby shampoo...
Edited on Sun Mar-06-11 01:31 AM by Lisa0825
and dandruff shampoo, and tea tree oil, and castor oil, hot packs, and multiple prescriptions. I am in good shape now, but it took a good year to get to where most of my days were good.

At my worst point, I had an hour commute to work, and I would drive wearing an eye patch over one eye for 10 minutes, and then switch it to the other eye, and then back. My eyes almost constantly felt like I had soap in them. It was awful. I am very grateful for having mostly good days now.

edited to add: I even changed my Facebook profile page when I was feeling crappy, to add my eye patch. LOL
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2105706&l=ba207e...
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 01:13 AM
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43. Also, people would be surprised that so much swelling and
pain could be associated with an eyelid problem, but it really can. My eyelids were swollen shut many times for days at a time. One way this happens is that the tiny ducts from which oil is excreted to mix with your tears get clogged and then you have two problems - 1) the clogged glands then are a breeding ground for bacteria and 2) your tears don't have enough oil in them, which means they don't have the right viscosity to stick to your eyeball to keep it moist AND they evaporate too quickly, causing you to try to make more tears to make up for the inadequacy of the tears. This leads to a weird feeling of having dry eyes and too much tears at the same time.

It can also be that the hair follicles of the eyelashes get inflamed, causing painful swollen bumps at the base of your lashes, which can also become infected.

Blepharitis is basically an inflammation of the eyelid and can be caused many things. It can be bacterial, viral, mites, etc, just like sinusitis can have various causes. The one thing they have in common is the inflammation causes the extreme discomfort.

Whatever is the source of your pain, I hope the doc will find it and you will find relief.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 02:40 AM
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48. When I get eye infections I put plain yogurt on my eye (use whole milk with an actual live culture)
the organisms in it eat staph. It stings like hell for about 30 seconds and seems to get rid of a lot of stuff in about 15 minutes.

If you suspect herpes (including shingles and chickenpox type viruses) eat dairy and fish which have a lot of lysine and skip chocolate, nuts and coffee which have a lot of arginine (this amino acid seems to set off latent herpes type infectons, lysine suppresses them).
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 02:51 AM
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49. locking
'Do not post messages asking for medical advice.'

please call a nurse or seek medical attention, we hope it gets better!
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