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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 02:50 PM
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Holiday travel stokes sex crime victims' TSA pat-down fears
Holiday travel stokes sex crime victims' TSA pat-down fears

It was days after her pat down that Marcia reacted.

Not that the enhanced frisk at Phoenix's Sky Harbor International Airport wasn't unsettling at the time; she had just allowed her mind to take her elsewhere as the agent patted down her breasts, groin and buttocks.

But sitting at home days later, as she made restaurant reservations for a trip to Las Vegas, Marcia snapped.

"All of a sudden, I got this wave of anxiety," the 58-year-old said. "I was feeling just fear, powerlessness. I was nauseated and I wanted to throw up, and I cried, cried for hours."

Marcia, who asked that CNN use only her first name, was molested by her uncle for almost a decade until she was 12. Her airport experience, and that of others, has advocacy groups concerned that the Transportation Security Administration's pat-down procedures could traumatize some sex crime victims.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/12/21/tsa.patdown.sex.crime.victims/index.html?hpt=C2
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 03:05 PM
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1. So the choose the microwave... I hear those lines are alot shorter.
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Mumble Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 03:21 PM
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2. But then again,
anyone who has ever had a bad experience with a microwave would also be traumatized.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 03:22 PM
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4. What in the world does a microwave have to do with the OP story?
Edited on Tue Dec-21-10 03:25 PM by LisaL
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 05:13 PM
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19. They employ the same technology
and unlike an X-Ray machine at a hospital, the airports do not have Radiologists on site to make sure the machines are calibrated correctly and working as they are supposed to do.

In addition, of all of the alphabet soup agencies that could be put in charge of regulating these machines (EPA, FDA, OSHA, you name it...) none are in charge. This is purely untrained TSA guards running the show.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 03:47 PM
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13. Anyone who has had a bad experience with living in a totalitarian
state would also be traumatized.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 03:49 PM
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14. Joking about real trauma isn't funny. nt
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 03:35 PM
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8. There's an idea
get your DNA scrambled instead, why didn't I think of that?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 04:40 PM
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17. Do you really think there are not sex crime victims with implants...
Edited on Tue Dec-21-10 04:41 PM by hlthe2b
i.e., hip, knee, ankle replacements, rods post back surgery or any of the other myriad of internal devices that would then send them to the groping (aka "sexual assault") line after the scanners, regardless? I find this flippant attitude towards the very real trauma they may face to be repugnant.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 03:22 PM
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3. Just cut out this BS
It's a dead horse.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 03:44 PM
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12. only a dead horse to those who chose to ignore sexual abuse
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 03:52 PM
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15. You still don't get it do you?
A tabloid storm whipped up just in time for the House vote on Unemployment Benefits. Come December 1 - GOP will not pass any legislation unless Bush Tax Cuts extended, the controversy had mysteriously vanished. That's what I meant by a dead horse.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 03:54 PM
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16. Maybe it's you who don't get it. Think about it.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 04:42 PM
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18. It most certainly is not.... The lawsuits have not yet ended up in court
the issue has certainly not gone away just because the media has found a new "shiny object" to focus on.
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 03:32 PM
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7. Why not just go through the scanner?
"Though the TSA estimates that only 3 percent of passengers are subjected to pat downs -- and then, only after they have set off a metal detector or declined to step into a full-body scanner..."

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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 03:36 PM
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9. Maybe you should actually read the article.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 03:44 PM
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10. because they still pull people and molest sexuall assault them and call it pat down
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 06:39 PM
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21. It's a pat down not sexual assult
To suggest otherwise is insulting to real sexual assult victims.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 06:57 PM
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22. If I walked up to a woman on the street
And patted her down like the TSA does, it would be called sexual assault. If a school official patted down a student in the same manner, it would be called sexual assault. But somehow because it is being carried out by the TSA, it isn't sexual assault? Not buying it, not at all.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 08:56 PM
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25. tell that to the woman in the article
who is a REAL sexual assault victim. it triggered memories in her and caused a great deal of anxiety and pain.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 03:44 PM
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11. Sometimes you go through the scanner and are picked from the line anyway
It's supposed to be "random" pat downs.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 05:19 PM
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20. well for one thing many people who go thru the scanner must be patted down anyway
Edited on Tue Dec-21-10 05:21 PM by pitohui
agreeing to go thru the scanner is absolutely no guarantee that they won't need to do a patdown

this already happened to someone i know

the scanners basically aren't worth a happy crappy if you have any kind of implant, i don't know the nature of my friend's implant but i'm guessing it was her, erm, chest area

but i've heard the same abt knee implants, etc.

since the scanner is pretty much of no value -- there is debate whether it would have found the underwear bomber's device because of his location, at least without follow up from an "enhanced" pat down -- i don't know what to tell you

if getting a pat down causes you to have flashbacks to being molested, i'm curious to know how you get thru a doctor's exam, which for women is far more invasive

i'm not saying i don't believe the woman's claims, but i'm saying there's only so much we can do to humor people who can't ever get well, i can't protect the safety of someone too fearful to have their body touched or examined, but i can protect the safety of the majority of the population that doesn't suffer from hysteria

i'm afraid if you're truly that sensitive, maybe drive or hire a limo or something

i was a crime victim too, it doesn't mean i want to continue to be an easy victim and to expose everyone else to a higher risk

a patdown is in a lot of ways the safest way to handle some search situations, what is the alternative? because the body scanner already, provably DON'T work
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 08:21 PM
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23. Why does TSA need to pat down people in such a manner anyway?
It's been years since 911. TSA weren't doing it. Underwear bomber was a year ago, they didn't start doing their "enhanced" pat downs until recently. We do have a constitutional amendment that should protect us from unreasonable search. What exactly makes TSA pat downs "reasonable?"
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 08:33 PM
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24. This shit is evil, just evil.
Edited on Tue Dec-21-10 08:33 PM by Odin2005
How do those TSA monsters sleep at night?
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 10:59 PM
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26. It is not wrong because of sex assault victims.
It is wrong because it is a violation of liberty, privacy, and dignity, and it is a violation of the Fourth Amendment.

It is wrong for EVERYONE.
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