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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:27 AM
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Reasons 2012 will be the end
Next year, there will be elections. Whoever wins the presidency will support the right wing agenda, only the Republican will admit it.
Mr. Obama has been Bush III in almost every way, with a few things around the margins tossed as a bone. I f he wins, wars, drone attacks, no stimulus,budget cuts to essential safety net programs - all will continue to be supported by the White House.
A Republican president will be marginally worse.

We will lose the Senate - the Citizens United ruling took the lid off spending, and it sure worked last year for the GOP. Add to the mix the spineless group now in the Senate, and the GOP will rule the house. BTW? They will get rid of the filibuster.

The Dem base? We will stay home in droves, as we did in '10. Minorities, the young, etc, all will not give a shit who fucks them over - after committing big time to a Dem Party who did nothing at all for them.

The elderly will come out strong, again, for the GOP. Of course, they will keep THEIR social security as part of the bargain - only the middle age and younger folks will see it dissolve.

State governments will aid, as they are already, in destroying the unions entirely, abetted by the new corporatista regime (replacing the current one in Washington).

Say hello to fascism, my friends, for it's gonna be here next year.
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:30 AM
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1. sigh
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:31 AM
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2. Prepare for the flames....
I won't say I'm 100% in agreement with your thoughts or frame of mind.....but I'm pretty damn close.

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:31 AM
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3. Most serious republican candidates are waiting for 2016 to run
Obama will pretty much win without any issue.
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:35 AM
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4. I agree, especially after seeing this in the KCStar

Voter ID measures advance in both states



TOPEKA | Proposals requiring Kansas and Missouri voters to show picture IDs when they vote gained steam in both legislatures today.

One proposal cruised through the Kansas House on a 78-36 vote, setting it up for easy final approval on Friday. The proposal also would require every person to show proof of citizenship when they register to vote in Kansas.

Meanwhile, the Missouri Senate approved a constitutional amendment allowing voters to be required to show photo identification. If approved by the legislature, it would go to voters in 2012.

The vote in the Kansas House came after a plodding debate that didnt reflect the emotion seen in the arguments over abortion, outlawing in-state tuition for illegal immigrants and a move to cut the influence of labor unions.

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/02/24/2680381/voter-id-m...

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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:37 AM
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5. I'm not real happy with Obama - but Bush III?...
not a chance
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:37 AM
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:39 AM
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7. If you 'stay home in droves, as we did in '10' then we can all thank you for the fascism.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:40 AM
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8. You're right, I give up.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 11:43 AM
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33. Heh...
Mission accomplished!
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:40 AM
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9. UNREC WE WILL NOT STAY HOME! get out there and organize nt
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:44 AM
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10. I am 63yrs old and I have always voted democratic and I will go knowing this president has kicked
us in the ass. I feel you are right but it is important none the less to go vote. I will vote with a sad heart knowing Obama has screwed the democrats and turned out to be a blue dog democratic.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:49 AM
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11. Bull. The repukes have jumped the shark, especially with their attack on labor, and they WILL
face the consequences in 2012.

Do I like what Obama has done? NO I don't, however, he is not "marginally better" than what the republican party is today. It is night and day.

Obama is a moderate with definite corporate influence, but republicans are extreme far right with racist overtones

Obama is not what we thought, but he is no teabagger, which is what have taken over the repug party


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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 10:00 AM
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16. Actually
Teabaggers are the cream of the party risen to the top.

And we have 3 strikes against us:

Unfettered campaign spending

Media against us

Very limited auditing of voting machine counts (Except for California)
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 10:42 AM
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25. we have one thing for us, labor, and the people who have been hurt by decades of republican policy
since reagan


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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 11:09 AM
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27. ....
Labor value is in decline and the people who have been hurt the worst have all but given up.

There will have to be an 'earthquake' type of movement to stop this bottom seeking system we now live in. Thank gawd I'm an old man. I feel sorry for the kids. My generation can go suck an egg.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 11:17 AM
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28. +1
nt.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:55 AM
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12. In order to make efforts effective the voting systems must change to paper.
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Locrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:55 AM
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13. gotta admit...
This may not be popular, it may not be the only possible outcome, it may not happen....

But you gotta admit - this is a damn likely possibility.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:56 AM
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14. The Dem base will get out and vote like they did in 2010.
Those opposed will stay home....but the youth and the indies will come back to the Democratic side and we'll win.

President Obama has not been bush3....what a wild, inaccurate statement trying to put it across that he has been.

Those who have made it a life commitment to be disappointed will continue to be....and nobody will care.
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:59 AM
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15. Obama may have tapped the brakes, or downshifted - but make no mistake,
Edited on Fri Feb-25-11 10:00 AM by Poboy
we are in the handbasket.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 10:01 AM
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17. "Mr. Obama has been Bush III in almost every way"
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 11:18 AM
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 10:04 AM
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18. I disagree, Obama has disappointed me in myriad ways
but there is no way I'll call him Bush III.

I don't think its the end of anything I think it'll be more like a beginning. After all even republicans are teachers and fire and police people.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 10:08 AM
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19. The Dem base will be there to vote for the Democratic
President in 2012. Fortunately for most of us, the Dem Base is not who you claim they are, nor do they imagine that Obama is "Bush 3".
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 10:14 AM
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20. I think you have a ageism problem. Broad swipe the elderly much?
I am elderly. About your so callously bad mouthing the elderly regarding keeping THEIR social security, you are wrong!

Many, many of us are life long Dems and we care about SS for the generations that follow. We most likely we will have SS for ourselves. It's not us, it is you, we worry about and you are who we will fight for! We know all too well just how important the safety net of SS will be for future generations.

I really feel like calling you a little snot but I won't.

Oh and by the way the Republican Party is not made up just of old people. Why do you feel the need to highlight only their elderly?
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CanSocDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 10:39 AM
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24. You tell 'em....


At the risk of sounding 'ageist' myself, I am beginning to think the ability to embrace global human values died in the social revolution of the sixties.

Our generation (my child-less self excluded) raised a generation of self-absorbed materialists who, to this day, can't get past how much money they have. If they make it to the old-age entitlement stage, I wonder what they'll whining about then.

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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 10:16 AM
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21. Following every end, there is a beginning.
I'm going to be there, how about you?
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raouldukelives Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 10:22 AM
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22. The rich will get richer
I think this is just the natural order of things. The global corporations demand subservient and cheap labor. They hire the best and the brightest the world over to come up with new ways to lie, cheat and steal. Our elected officials take the payoffs and do the best they can to help them turn us into another third world country. It feels almost inevitable to me at this point. Unless some sort of global energy/food/climate crisis sends us crashing back to our roots.
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RZM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 10:36 AM
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23. Most of this is wrong
Obama isn't 'Bush III'

The base will NOT stay home . . . Obama's chances of re-election look pretty good right now and will look better once the Republicans settle on a candidate.

Elderly coming out strong for the GOP . . . what's new about that? Senior citizens always vote in high numbers and many people get more conservative as they age -- that's just the way things are.

State governments going after unions? I don't know, it's possible they will make some gains, but mainly in states with the most serious deficits. All of that will include huge fights that will energize the Dem base.

Fascism? I don't think so. Unfortunately for many people here 'fascist' simply means something they don't like. Even if all branches go Republican, they will all swing back to the Dems sooner or later.

The only thing I agree with here is the Dems losing the Senate. That looks likely since the Republicans have been making electoral gains and the Dems have to defend a lot of seats, some of which will be really tough to hold on to. But that won't last forever. Eventually the political climate will shift and you'll see the Senate flip back.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 11:08 AM
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26. And the dish ran away with the spoon...
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 11:24 AM
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30. You're right. What's the use.
My suggestion would be to not waste your precious energy posting about the inevitable.


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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 11:37 AM
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31. This shit is getting old.
And tedious. And very boring. Not to mention counterproductive.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 11:39 AM
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32. THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!
Edited on Fri Feb-25-11 11:42 AM by JuniperLea
Thanks for your "concern."

The sleeping giant that elected Obama has been awakened again. Time for the rest of "us" to wake up and whiff the cappuccino.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 11:47 AM
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34. Because Obama has been Bush III is the reason he'll be re-elected by those in power...
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 11:48 AM
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35. 8 years oh Bush - 8 years of Obama - so how will your 16 years of BS. go for you?
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 11:48 AM
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36. You're not the Dem base...
you're nothing close to the Dem base.

meh

Sid
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 01:14 PM
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42. It's to laugh.
The Naderite/Green/Socialist/Marxist fringe loonies that hate the Democratic Party are always calling themselves "The Base", like if you say it enough times, it will turn into reality.

Any time they feel in the least way slighted, the backstabbing commences on actual Democrats.

They can stay home and pout, they won't be missed in 2012, others are there to pick up the miniscule slack in voting they might leave.


The actual base of the Democratic Party will donate, volunteer, and get out the vote for Democrats while the rest of them stare at their navels while awaiting the coming Socialist Worker's Paradise.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 11:55 AM
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37. We will lose the senate because of the map..
Edited on Fri Feb-25-11 11:55 AM by SoCalDem
and because there are just some states that refuse to join the 21st century, just as there are countries in the world, who like to live in the 12th century.


12 and 14 will be brutal for us, because the seats that are up for the "other side" are safe, and the ones for us ...well saying they are marginal, is an understatement

It's just math.

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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:05 PM
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38. Captain Hyperbole! Calling Captain Hyberbole
No matter what, it's a least a million brazillion times worse that our worst fears!
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 04:51 PM
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43. It's the best hyperbole of all time!...nt
Sid
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:24 PM
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39. Well, it will only last until December 21st anyway.
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Travelman Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:37 PM
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40. Beat me to it
I suppose I'll go find a pyramid around Cancun and wait for the ending.... :P
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 12:59 PM
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41. Depressing drivel n/t
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