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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 02:37 AM
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Get out your decoder ring
but at least these guys are honest...

Setting a precedent

If Walker succeeds and it looks like he might, despite Democrat lawmakers clearly in violation of their sworn duties (see Wisconsin Democrats hiding in Illinois) then this will create a wave through the country where the general public can finally push back against the pathetically obvious contradiction of organized public labor. With public pensions threatening to wipe out State budgets and local/state taxes going up across the country the only way to restore fiscal sanity is to make sure that public workers operate exactly under the same rules and obligations as the rest of us. As of now, public employees receive special treatment in virtually every state and use union money to beat back and destroy any private initiative that attempts to protect the tax payer. One essential ingredient behind restoring America's fiscal health is the significant reduction in the scope and power of public unionism.

http://www.rightcondition.com/2011/02/why-winsconsin-governor-scott-walker.html

Realize they are serious... and yes YOU need to know what the enemy is thinking. They are your and mine enemies. they are the enemies of every working american. But at least they are willing to tell us what they want to do. This is why this matters. They are after the Wagner Act, it is heavily implied.
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 02:50 AM
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1. It is almost like the Republicans have launched their
own form of Jihad on the people, now.

Yes, they are serious and this is about so many factors in our society. How serious are we?

What is most interesting is, as Rachel Maddow illustrated, unions are among the top contributors to campaigns for Democrats and there are only a few. Breaking the unions would impact that support and the top ten would then all be Republican organizations. That's pretty serious.

The battle lines are drawn here. We have a real struggle ahead and we cannot let them win because the stakes are extremely high.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 03:03 AM
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4. It is not almost, they have
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 03:17 AM
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5. Eliminating democratic donations may be the primary motive.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 02:53 AM
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2. Decoder ring is right -- they have their own language about their distorted beliefs.
I saw a video clip on the Ed Show tonight of Walker's press conference. In effect, he said the "people outside" have the right to voice their opinions, but "there are 5 million taxpayers who have their own opinion". Can you believe that?! Those "people outside" aren't taxpayers? Or perhaps he thought only Fixed News would be televising his crap to clueless viewers who wouldn't know better?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 03:03 AM
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3. He did not go all the way
Rush did.

"They are bottom feeders."

Methinks intel work will be critical in the coming fight... That ring will get a workout.
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 03:41 AM
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6. well they're as innocuous as a cartoon or movie bad guy
nt
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 03:47 AM
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7. Its time to fight tooth and nail
if necessary against the so called corporate overlords. They think they can just turn out their brainwashed minions to put down a protest, but they are so very wrong. They are in the minority, and DEMOCRACY and the rule of law will run over them.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-11 03:55 AM
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8. They know not for what they ask...
Edited on Sat Feb-19-11 04:04 AM by Ghost Dog
http://www.yesmagazine.org/blogs/david-korten/a-real-market-alternative

Main Street economy is comprised of local businesses and working people who self-organize to provide livelihoods for themselves, their families, and their communities producing real goods and services in response to community needs. Main Street exemplifies the market economy envisioned by Adam Smith; Wall Street is the antithesis.

Smith believed that people have a natural and appropriate concern for the well-being of others and a duty not to do them harm. He also believed that government has a responsibility to restrain those who fail in this duty. Smith and the political economists who followed in his tradition developed an elegant theory of the market’s capacity to self-organize in the community interest based on a number of carefully articulated assumptions, including the following:

* Buyers and sellers must be too small to influence the market price and must honor basic principles of honest dealing.
* Income and ownership must be equitably distributed.
* Complete information must be available to all participants, and there can be no trade secrets.
* Sellers must bear the full cost of the products they sell and incorporate it into the sale price.
* Investment capital must remain within national borders, and trade between countries must be balanced.
* Savings must be invested in the creation of productive capital rather than in speculative trading.


These are the characteristics of a real market economy. Wall Street capitalism violates them all.

Capitalism is a term originally coined to refer to an economic and political regime in which the ownership and benefits of capital are appropriated by the few to the exclusion of the many who through their labor make capital productive. It describes Wall Street perfectly. The “free market,” a code word for an unregulated market, is a contradiction.

Markets work wonderfully within a framework of clear rules and a caring community. The stronger the relations of mutual trust and caring and the more equitably power is distributed, the more the market becomes self-policing and the less need there is for formal governmental intervention. An economy comprised of powerful corporations governed by a culture of greed and a belief that their only legal duty is to maximize their profits requires a strong and intrusive governmental hand to limit the abuse and clean up the messes.

The “free market,” a code word for an unregulated market, is a contradiction. A market without rules facilitates and encourages the unlimited concentration and abuse of corporate power unconstrained by market discipline and democratic accountability.

/... http://www.yesmagazine.org/blogs/david-korten/a-real-market-alternative


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