To anyone who thinks that Palin doesn't stand a chance of winning

[Hugabear]

Let me introduce you to Florida's new governor, Rick Scott.




About a year ago, nobody would have seriously given Rick Scott a chance in hell of winning Florida's governorship. For starters, he had virtually no political experience. He was running against Bill McCollum, a GOP heavyweight with the full backing of the establishment. Then there are Rick Scott's ethical problems, which is putting it mildly. He was forced to step down as CEO of Colombia/HCA when it was discovered that his company had been committing massive fraud against the government (they wound up being charged with 14 counts of fraud, and wound up paying over $2B in settlements). On top of that, there are also questions swirling around another one of his medical companies, Solantic. Scott routinely refuses to talk to the press, often shutting them out completely. Not only that, but the guy just looks creepy.

All of this combined, and there's no way in hell any reasonable person would have given him a chance to win the GOP primary, let alone the governorship.

And yet it happened.

[RandomThoughts]

1. I support people that correct corruption like the ones mentioned in that article.

Especially if he was working there, and had to step out of his comfort zone to correct what he saw as wrong, and did so through systems of justice.

I am curious, did anyone go to jail? The moving of all penalties to fines only is to move justice to being able to be bought, it becomes a financial cost, not any real enforcement for a company or individual that just uses some money to pay a fine. Probably best to have some prison time in the worst of corruption cases for enforcement reasons.

[Tunkamerica]

5. So you support Rick Scott?

It's very hard to tell what you're talking about most of the time and no one ever seems to ask you... and I'll probably kick myself for it, but: What the hell are you talking about?

[RandomThoughts]

8. I support the concepts discussed in that post.

That is not a comment about that guy, that would be an assumption, if they are things he did, then I applaud that integrity, but might disagree with other ideas he has.

I have said many times I try not to comment on people, but on concepts.

[Hugabear]

10. Please tell me where you see any integrity in that post

Besides, I didn't even link to an article in my post, so I really have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

[RandomThoughts]

13. It said that he was working at a company.

Saw fraud, and reported it, I guess the part of him reporting it came from somewhere else, reread article, it was not in the post.

:shrug:

I thought it was him that reported the fraud.

Although I support people that would have reported fraud.

[Hugabear]

14. Can you provide a link to this article?

I've never heard anything about him reporting the fraud. To the contrary, he wanted to stay on board as CEO and fight the fraud charges. His defense during the campaign was that he wasn't aware of the fraud that was going on under his nose. Although as massive as this fraud case was, in order for him not to have known about it, he would have had to have been incompetent.

Either way, by stepping down as CEO, he was able to avoid a direct personal criminal investigation. But no, I do not believe he ever "reported" the fraud, as if he were some sort of whistle blower.

[RandomThoughts]

18. Me either, another thread said he would not cooperate, but skeptical of source.

When I read it I thought it said he was the person that turned over the info. Reading it the second time it said differently.

Although my comment was about the concept, even if it did not apply to him, and the concept of there being jail time not just fines for many of those actions.

[Tunkamerica]

21. See, that's what I thought you meant. You misread and thought he turned himself in.

It's your "unique" way of expressing yourself that leads people to think you're making points you may not mean to make.

[Hugabear]

9. Rick Scott didn't correct anything

What are you talking about? He stepped down as CEO because his company was about to get hit with a massive fraud case. He was basically forced out.

[katanalori]

2. She is going to run.

http://politicalticker.blogs.c.../

Palin hires chief-of-staff
By: CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby
Washington (CNN) – Sarah Palin has added a veteran Republican strategist to serve as chief-of-staff for her political action committee, Sarah PAC, CNN has learned.
Michael Glassner, an attorney and longtime adviser to former Kansas senator and presidential candidate Bob Dole, has signed on to steer the former Alaska governor's political operation as she considers a possible 2012 presidential bid.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, Glassner managed vice presidential operations during John McCain's unsuccessful White House bid.
"We are happy and excited that Mike is joining our team," Sarah PAC spokesman Tim Crawford told CNN.

[pnwmom]

3. If she's the Republican nominee, she will have a chance of winning.

The party will throw everything it has behind her -- and it has a lot.

[Kurmudgeon]

4. After Dubya got elected, it's possible for any idiot with enough money behind them.

[pnwmom]

44. After Reagan got reelected it proved that you could have dementia

and still be President.

Welcome to DU, Kurmudgeon!

[L. Coyote]

32. because too many Americans vote with Republican black boxes

otherwise it would be laughable to have such people even consider running

before black boxes (election reform removing the evidenciary part of vote theft) even W had to steal his win, and without stripping so many black Floridians from the voting rolls, there never would have been a Bush v. Gore moment in the first place. They couldn't even steal Florida illegally in the firdst instance, and had to stage a Supreme Court coup[ to finish the job.

[Trajan]

6. I'm afraid .... I am very afraid ....

She is going to win ....

[BzaDem]

7. Then again, some people here say there's little significant difference between the parties.

So I doubt they would care.

[Bandit]

34. Right ..... Democrats have always been for tax cuts for the wealthy and

ending Energy assistance for the needy. Can not figure how anyone could ever think there were similarities between the Parties..

[BzaDem]

46. I wasn't talking about people who merely think there are similarities. I was talking about the

people who think there are no differences (or no difference worth voting for). Those are the people that get exactly what they deserve.

[cali]

11. nope, I don't think she can win.

Yes, I know about Scott.

[Hugabear]

12. Why do you think Scott was able to win, but Palin can't?

Rick Scott had virtually no support from the GOP establishment, at least not until he won the primary race.

I'm well aware that you don't think Palin can win, I've seen several of your posts. However, I think we dismiss her chances at our own peril. We keep telling ourselves that she has no chance, has no chance, has no chance, then we wake up shocked one day to find out that somehow she pulled off (or stole) the victory.

[Moral_Imagination]

17. A few reasons

1) Rick Scott can string words together to form meaningful phrases.
2) Midterm elections are totally different than Presidential Elections.
3) Florida <> USA.
4) The polling is unanimous and across the board against her.

[MrModerate]

20. What Moral_Imagination said, plus . . .

She's a time bomb that goes off over and over again. She'll put her foot into it three times a week, and will be shredded by the blogosphere and a goodly portion of the MSM, which hates her guts. She'll look like a moron whenever compared to Obama (not hard, compared to Obama, she *is* a moron). Any debates will disastrous for her.

And finally -- she's mean -- she's an archetypal mean girl grown up to be a mean woman. Thick, ignorant, lazy, cruel, privileged, and unfeeling.

She might be able to sustain a fan base -- but only if she doesn't run.

[jeff47]

35. Because polling shows she'd loose TN to Obama.

You don't get much redder, yet she'd lose.

[DFW]

15. One minor detail

Scott has/had a lot of personal money (for now, let's not go into where it all came from), to finance his
campaign. Palin has some from her self-promotion, but nowhere nearly enough to finance a primary, let alone
a full-blown presidential campaign. Therefore, she would need Koch/Rove/Murdoch money plus a healthy infusion
of public contributions. The RNC would be more supportive than it would have been under Steele, but it isn't
exactly swimming in cash, either.

Granted, they bought W his place in the oval office. But he had the evil but clever Cheney behind him. Palin
would have only evil, as the clever parties are looking elsewhere for their challenger to Obama. If she's the
nominee, they'll reluctantly get behind her for one reason only: since she has no clue of her own, she is there
for the manipulating, as long as there's money in it for her. They do want to manipulate, and money is the
least of their problems (weird, since all they seem to want is more and more of it).

[eilen]

25. Palin has proven herself untrustworthy to those

Republicans who have helped her in the past. She is like a dog that turns on its owner. I don't think they will support her through the primaries. Look at the last disaster.

[Democat]

26. Bush and Palin are very different - Palin's ego is huge.

Bush was happy to be the figurehead, so those with real power supported him.

[Mojeoux]

16. K&R and a "Ewww!"

[Skip Intro]

19. Reptilian. Just sayin...

[darkstar3]

22. I think this applies

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x401832

I was going to write it as a response in this thread, but I OP'd it instead because it's applicable to other recent threads as well.

[old mark]

23. OP, I agree---I NEVER thought Reagan would have even won as Governor of CA...

and look how that shit turned out. ;(


mark

[timtom]

27. Oh, yeah...

I was there for that. And it was a disaster in every way possible.

[Major Hogwash]

24. Start a recall movement now!!! That's how they got rid of Grey Davis, and wound up with Arnuld.

What are you guys waiting for?
Perfect time to call him a fucking communist who kills kittens and get him the fuck out of office!!!
He's a fucking crook!!

Dig into his IRS dealings, get his file, get him out!!!!

[jeff47]

36. There is no such thing as recalling a governor in FL. (nt)

[Dappleganger]

38. No recall in FL.

No hope of changing that since as usual the repuke teabaggers control the state legislature. We

We are fucked multi-directionally.

[quaker bill]

28. I am from FL

and I always thought he had a very good chance to be the republican candidate. No one in this State knows how to lose a statewide race that should be his easily, any better than Bill McCollum. Once it got to the general, it did not matter who was on the ticket, it was always going to be a close race with the dem, because they always are close races. Considering the wave of republican turn out in 2010, Scott's margin of victory was really quite small. In any other year, the dem would have won this contest by a pretty good margin. Any other more mainstream republican candidate would have won the 2010 race by a considerably larger margin than Scott. I know quite a few republicans that did not vote for Scott who would have voted for just about any other republican they might have put on the ticket.

Sarah Palin does not have the ability to outspend her opponents 10:1, so the comparison is not particularly apt.

[RC]

29. Palin is too much of a loose canon. Our overlords would have too much trouble controlling her.

At best she'd be used as a tool to eliminate someone running that has a grip on reality. String and sock puppets are what our overlords want in the Presidency.
Actors, dumb people, people subject to being blackmail-threatened, etc.

[KittyWampus]

30. Palin will NEVER win as Republican nominee. She is not a reliable puppet.

The people holding the REAL money would not bank on her- she's proven to be a loose cannon.

[lonestarnot]

31. And slimey Symington considering a run for Senate for AZ!

Fucking A!

[MadHound]

33. Not happening, we saw that plainly in '08

She simply can't get the monetary backing of the Republican elite. And the Teabaggers aren't going to pony up the billion it takes to win the presidency.

No money, no votes, no presidency.

[Shagbark Hickory]

37. Or you can just think back to 1999 when some bumpkin named Dubya ... nt

[RC]

41. He was not a loose canon, but a willing stooge.

[Shagbark Hickory]

43. You don't remember him speak I guess. He was told what to say.

Stupid shit just came out.

[RC]

45. Reread my post.

stooge ( st›j) n. 1. The straight man to a comedian. 2. One who allows oneself to be used for another's profit or advantage; a puppet.

[fascisthunter]

39. underestimating the type of evil she represents is a huge mistake

how the hell do you think someone like Hitler got into power? Or any other dictator? It can happen anywhere and it already has happened somewhat in America. The fucking Supreme Court unlawfully seated a president before votes were fully recounted.

[DevonRex]

40. I agree. Polls to the contrary don't matter one bit. Palin voters are motivated

and actually vote. That's all that counts.

[emilyg]

42. Correct.

[jmowreader]

47. Palin would start a war against someone who could attack the continental US

Killing brown people on the other side of the world is fine with the GOP--that is how they made most of their money.

The brown people dropping bombs on the US mainland, OTOH, is NOT.

As a Dominionist, a Palin presidency's primary goal would be to bring on Armageddon--something most of the Republicans With Enough Money To Buy The White House do not want.