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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:00 PM
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Maybe I'm not hearing it right, but I think the President should not listen to Clinton
in the Egyptian situation. If she can't go along with the democracy advocates, she should resign if shes had ample opportunity to give her opinion and he isn't swayed 100%.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:03 PM
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1. Huh?
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:04 PM
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2. Um ok
Thanks for chiming in!
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:05 PM
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3. Obama is the boss. she carries out his policy,
she speaks for him, neither one of them can make Mubarak do anything he doesn't want to do.
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:13 PM
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4. Do you really think she's expressing her own views
rather than the president's? Really? If so, I have this bridge for sale...
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:26 PM
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5. Somewhere I heard on the news that
the older advisers, like Clinton, Gates, etc., were in disagreement with Obama's younger advisers (names unknown) who want him to be more supportive of the demonstrators and democracy. The Clinton people are supporting Mubarak because he's been a good friend for 30 years.

No matter who he seems to favor, there's gonna be trouble with some huge groups. The groups with the most money will probably win, sadly.

Keep your bridge.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:38 PM
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6. I know what you are referring to.
Edited on Thu Feb-10-11 08:38 PM by DURHAM D
That is a couple of news cycles back plus you have assigned to Clinton a position that was not reported or implied in that story. You just made that up.

Perhaps you failed to notice that there was a big news item this evening in Egypt. Try to catch up.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 08:57 PM
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7. No, I heard that today...
near the beginning of the O'Donnel program. Got a phone call when this bit was on, so I just heard parts of it. Also mentioned was the name of the lady who was fired from Obama's campaign because she said some very nasty things about Clinton.

I didn't hear it all, but enough to know that the younger advisers disagree with the older, and that was TODAY....

Also know that the Mobarak's speech was unexpected, even by the military, who were promising the protestors that they will get all they wanted. And Rachel and Engels both said that something had to have happened to have prevented Mubarak from stepping down.

Also heard that happiest people that Mubarak wasn't stepping down were the despotic leaders of the other arab countries, who don't want thier postions threatened by a move towards democratism.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:17 PM
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8. Did you read Obama's statement this evening?
Mubarak's failure to step down has given the WH an opportunity they didn't previously have. You are acting like tonight didn't cause a complete reset and you are trying to promote differences between WH, Defense and State. Everyone is on the same damn page no matter what Lawrence is trying to do. The question is what is your agenda?
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:27 PM
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10. None - what is yours?
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 10:04 PM
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13. facts
The WH has a very delicate situation to manage. Bullshit doesn't help.

AOAN - An undisciplined WH aide is a giant problem. Particularly at a time like this. This is the third time that I know of that Samantha Power has made news when she should not have. She is a egomaniac and a loose cannon. Obama needs to see to it that she spends more time with her family. He can't afford her. Unfortunately I am afraid he is too nice to deal with it.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 10:40 PM
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17. I just found out what you were talking about...
When the O'Donnel program was on, I had my TV on mute, when I turned it on after my phone call was over, all I heard was that Samantha was fired because of the names. I did not hear anything that preceded that fact.

I did hear about the younger vs the older on Chris Matthews, I think. Not sure. But I did not know that Samantha was still working as some sort of adviser for Obama. Bet Hillary hates that she got her job back with him.....meow...
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 10:15 PM
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16. Getting back to the agenda...
Am in Michigan. Primaries are over, but they were not fun here. Mrs. Clinton wanted all the votes cast, I did not vote for her, as did 40% of the voters who went to the polls.

I was mad at both our Senators for doing such a stupid thing as having a primary where the votes would not count. I have almost forgiven them, almost.

But my feeling is that other people have an agenda - and that is to make Obama unpopular enough that he doesn't run again and Hillary would step in and run. Bill is already being advertised by Matthews as President of the World. Gimme a break.

I don't know who Samantha Powers is, I just saw a glimpse of her on TV today and didn't hear a word about her except that she was let go for calling Mrs. Clinton names. I don't know anything about where she is now.

So I feel that the Clintons still have the White House as their ultimate goal. Wrong or right, I can't shake the feeling. But it's a feeling, not an agenda.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 10:42 PM
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18. So in other words, your OP is crap. nt
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 10:48 PM
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19. God help anybody who doesn't love the Clintons, amen. eom
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:08 PM
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20. "Clintons still have the White House..."
I'm sorry I bothered to respond to you.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 07:25 AM
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37. Not as sorry as me - then this is good-bye, right??? eom
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:39 PM
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22. Samantha Power is a heavyweight in foreign affairs
she is magnificent

but she doesn't like the Clinton's so much. Was something she said during the primaries that she had to step down, I forget now.

but if push came to shove, I'd believe Samantha over a Clinton any day.

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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 06:42 AM
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33. Well, your statement
that the Primaries are over is correct. It is really time to stop fighting them. SOS Clinton has. She has done an outstanding job for the president. She has stated she has no further aspirations to run for president. Let go of your animosity. You will feel much better.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 07:24 AM
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36. You'd have to be from Michigan to know how angry so many of us were
You have to get over being angry because some people don't like Clinton and didn't even before the primary. Yes, get over it.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 11:33 PM
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21. Perhaps you heard it here
Hillary Rodham Clinton Undercuts the State Department on Human Rights - March 10, 2009

According to State's latest report on Egypt, issued Feb. 25, "the government's respect for human rights remained poor" during 2008 "and serious abuses continued in many areas." It cited torture by security forces and a decline in freedom of the press, association and religion. Ms. Clinton was asked about those conclusions during an interview she gave to the al-Arabiya satellite network in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt. Her reply contained no expression of concern about the deteriorating situation. "We issue these reports on every country," she said. "We hope that it will be taken in the spirit in which it is offered, that we all have room for improvement."

Ms. Clinton was then asked whether there would be any connection between the report and a prospective invitation to President Hosni Mubarak to visit Washington. "It is not in any way connected," she replied, adding: "I really consider President and Mrs. Mubarak to be friends of my family. So I hope to see him often here in Egypt and in the United States." Ms. Clinton's words will be treasured by al-Qaeda recruiters and anti-American propagandists throughout the Middle East. She appears oblivious to how offensive such statements are to the millions of Egyptians who loathe Mr. Mubarak's oppressive government and blame the United States for propping it up.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 12:32 AM
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24. Thanks for that
Her own words make me dislike her more than the people "picking on me" since I admitted not liking her.

You know, someone can mention they don't like something Obama said or did, and hardly anybody says a word, but mention Clinton, and a whole gang of volunteers hit the keyboard with "crap," "your agenda?," etc. Have to be volunteers cause she still owes on the last campaign and can't possibly afford any workers to defend her on DU when her name comes up.
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Ricky Ricardo Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 02:44 AM
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26. Unfortunately, our President looks rather weak right now
And your thread merely highlights the fact.

Albeit unintentionally.
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:00 AM
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27. I doubt he's ever been your president, Ricky
If that is your real name...
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Ricky Ricardo Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:06 AM
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29. LOL! It's not my real name.
But I'm not a con.


Stick around. You'll see.
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 06:41 AM
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32. Nah, it's probably that you don't know what you're talking about.
You kinda heard a snippet on tv while you were on the phone and had it on mute. You're not sure exactly what was said but need to post an OP anyways. You don't know who Samantha Powers is and don't know what she said to get fired from the Obama team.

You admit you still haven't gotten over the Michigan primary.

Clearly it is all Hillary's fault.

Now maybe if you knew what you were talking about and made a clear case that pointed to the evil plot the Clintons have to make Obama look bad so Hillary can run against him in 2012 someone would have taken you seriously. But you didn't.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 07:22 AM
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35. Thank you for paying so much attention to my posts....
but I still don't care for Mrs. Clinton, and nobody was a poorer loser than Bill Clinton when his wife lost the election, nobody.
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 10:34 AM
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38. I read the whole thread and your posts were in it. They didn't make much sense but there they were.
That's fine that you don't like the Clintons, maybe that should have been the title of your OP.
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 07:03 PM
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39. You're absolutely right
Next time I want to start a flame war, I'll post the subject as "I don't like the Clintons." Think that would be better?

Anyway, the name of the group is "General Discussion." It doesn't say "General Discussion that makes sense."

:) :)

Thanks anyway...for your civility.
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:19 PM
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9. I wish to hell both of the Clintons would go away and 'never be heard from
again.

Both of them, but him in particular, have a pernicious affect on the American body politic. They remind me of that Seinfeld episode when George decides to offset his losing ways, by doing the OPPOSITE of his natural inclinations.

Pres. Obama, do the opposite of what the Clinton's advise you!!! You will be much better off!!
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 10:06 PM
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14. You are actually responding to bullshit. Interesting. nt
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 06:48 AM
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34. yeah, 'cause
clearly the peace and prosperity at the end of the Clinton presidency was totally unacceptable.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:46 PM
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11. A simple disagreement is no reason for her to resign.
Reasonable, intelligent people can disagree about things without it being personal, or affecting their common goals.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 09:54 PM
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12. Sounds believable enough, reminds me of the Primary all over again. n/t
Edited on Thu Feb-10-11 10:21 PM by Hutzpa
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 10:13 PM
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15. That is absurd.
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Ricky Ricardo Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 12:24 AM
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23. Just how weak do you think the President is?
He's the boss.
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:02 AM
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28. This ties in nicely with your other post on this thread...
president is weak! Got it!

repeat on every thread until kicked off in 1hr-3 yrs.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 06:05 AM
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30. Actually, it appears that Ricky Ricardo is saying just the opposite.
But you may have known him longer...
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 02:31 AM
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25. I'd like to commend so many DUers on this thread for
correcting a fellow DUer so graciously. I've always been an arm-around-the-shoulder kind of guy, but I'm impressed with the kick-to-the shins approach.

Damn fadedrose for being wrong! I guess DU has shown HER! Hmmmph!
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 06:07 AM
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31. I prefer he not listen to McConnel on Social Security.
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