I am going to wait and see what the administration says about the LIHEAP cuts.

[LoZoccolo]

Why is this? Because I've seen so many disingenous arguments hurled at the adminstration that I trust it more than it's critics from the professional left. More often than not, the panic and castigation is tenuous at best.

Credibility. It's what's for dinner and it's the other white meat.

[Poboy]

1. And I'm going to wait for my 'robust public option'.

[jannyk]

9. +1!!!!

[truebrit71]

57. +2

.

[QC]

78. +3

[Hello_Kitty]

2. Is Senator John Kerry a member of the Professional Left now?

Who knew? :shrug:

[villager]

5. As with the "center," the definition of "Professional Left" extends ever rightward

...to simply mean "someone who disagrees with this policy."

[politicasista]

26. Depending on who you ask

To some (not all) Obama supporters, he just like Mittens Romney, or is someone that is trying to persuade Obama to come to a new position.

[eleny]

3. I've been wondering if it's a trial ballon that got sent up

If that's the case, they've surely gotten a strong message.

[JuniperLea]

8. That's my thought too... and I agree with the OP...

But whenever I say something I get a smackdown with some dumbass checkers/chess bullshit. I'm so effing sick of people who believe the bullshit in the news, and I'm even more sick of those who will sit and nitpick the minutiae of assumption. I thought we were better than that. Nope. We elevate that fertilizer to a new level of Idiocracy.

A guy who knows a guy who saw what Obama thinks because he dropped a coin into Doralidina's slot...

Good morning! I say what a joy it is to look ahead and show you the signs of your future. So much happiness is in store for you the most brilliantly lighted stars are put to shame by the brightness of your light! Oh, happiness what an illusive thing you are, but thank GOD you were born beneath this star!

Drop another coin in the slot and I will tell you more!

[eleny]

13. And just try and get your 5¢ back!

[JuniperLea]

21. Now THAT would be a smackdown!

:rofl:

[TreasonousBastard]

17. ""Consider the source" for those smackdown attempts. I'm also waiting for...

the real announcement.

Eleny beat me to it saying that these anonymous leaks are often as not trial balloons.

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[Hello_Kitty]

6. Bingo!

:toast:

[LoZoccolo]

11. Think about what you are saying.

You are actually advocating disallowing the administration from explaining themselves, and drawing a conclusion from less information.

For all we know the same benefits are covered under a different line-item.

[EOTE]

14. How many outrages do you need to endure before you begin to expect the outrages?

This administration has pulled crap like this time and time again, only to provide one weak excuse after the other. Frankly, I'm tired of giving them the benefit of the doubt, I know they don't deserve it. It's quite clear to me who this administration works for. It sure as hell ain't you or me.

[LoZoccolo]

15. I find the opposite is true, that the professional left has manufactured outrage.

They have a financial incentive to do so.

[EOTE]

37. The "professional left" has been a hell of a lot more accurate than this administration

But go ahead and think that this admin isn't fucking us over at every turn if it makes you feel better.

[LoZoccolo]

61. What would you say regarding the outrage they just manufactured over this LIHEAP "cut"?

Hmmmmmmmm?

[EOTE]

64. Ummm, that it was extremely justified?

Considering that this is ACTUALLY Obama's plan, it seems that the "professional left" is verified once again, while you, once again, are extremely wrong.

[JuniperLea]

Oh you mean like DADT...

I remember that outrage... pft.

I think all y'all need to take a chill pill.

[Ignis]

30. The outrage over YEARS of foot-dragging by the admin was justified.

I find it contemptible to present revisionist history on the topic of DADT that trivializes the very real outrage felt by GLBT service members (and their families) as we watched a Democratic president--elected by popular mandate and with loads of political capital at his disposal--spend TWO YEARS slow-walking DADT into the dustbin of history.

:puke:

We can disagree over methods used to achieve a political goal, but to disparage the feelings of those whose lives were held hostage by DADT is beyond the pale.

[JuniperLea]

31. It was done in a permanent fashion

And it was done despite the wailing. Please.

[EOTE]

35. No. I mean things like the sham of a health care bill

And not only a continuation of bush's tax policy, but actively working to make them even more regressive. The catfood commission comes to mind too. Of course, when it turns out that this administration IS looking to slash LIHEAP funding, I'm sure you'll find an excuse for that as well.

[JuniperLea]

36. Bullshit

I just don't believe rumors.

[EOTE]

38. Brilliant and thoughtful reply.

Of course I'd expect no less. I'm going to have to chew on the bounty of information you've provided for a while.

[EOTE]

67. Have you formulated a reply yet?

Now that these proposed cuts have been determined to come from the White House, I'm interested to know if you've come up with an excuse yet. Surely the White House has told you how to feel about this by now.

[Bluebear]

77. :crickets:

[Bluenorthwest]

80. What you call outrage was activism which had been going on

since Obama was in school. It was that very activism that got the repeal done, Obama just happened to be the pen holder. To repeat, years of activism and great sacrifice on the part of volunteers in our military got that repeal. Had there been years of inaction and silence, it would have gone the way of the Robust Public Option, which was going to be in any bill he signed until it just vanished. You see activism work and then you complain that it happened.

[tekisui]

29. There we go, that's closer to the truth.

You will await the WH spin, and then defend it. Same fucking song, different verse.

[JuniperLea]

40. If you've decided that everything out of the WH is spin...

Why bother?

That's what my TeaBagger cousin tells me when I cite Obama's actual actions or words... just WH spin, he says, to me... the office manager of a PR firm. :crazy:

[tekisui]

43. Any justifications for these cuts will be spin.

I never said everything from the WH is spin.

[JuniperLea]

45. I'll wait until we know for sure this isn't just rumor mill...

I'm not convinced. I'm all worn out by premature angst and frothy anger.

[Control-Z]

48. I agree with everything

you've said.

I stay off the roller coaster if at all possible. I can wait until there's something real to get excited about.

[JuniperLea]

51. Me too... like when the real budget proposal actually hits Congress...

And they spend months and months haggling over the final details.

This is seriously beyond silly.

[Major Hogwash]

7. But, if we wait, then the truth will come out, and then look at all the wasted energy generated by

Da rumors!!

Hell, if we could heat the house with rumors, I'd set the thermostat at 80º and run around nekkid all damn winter!!

LoL

[madokie]

10. I've been thoroughly castigated for suggesting the same thing earlier

and I agree with you

[JuniperLea]

41. Ye shall know them by their fruit...

Fancy meeting you on the same side of yet another argument!

:hi:

[madokie]

49. Yup,

I'm just all outraged out. Sometimes I have to look to make sure my browser hasn't redirected me to a rightwing site.
:hi::hug:

[JuniperLea]

50. I'm always glad to know it's not just me!

:hug:

[madokie]

52. I think there is more of us than them

We just don't make as much noise as they do sometimes.
Peace

This is a good day for the world with the Egyptian dictator stepping down without the people having to resort to violence. What violence there was was the pro Mubarak goons

[Bluebear]

53. us vs them. nice.

[gateley]

12. I jumped on the outrage bandwagon (justified!) at a report a while back where

I was full of "that's the last straw!" "He's gone too far this time!" type things. My blood was boiling, my stomach was churning. Turns out it wasn't factual at all, just a projection on peoples' minds -- including mine. I don't even remember the specific charge, but when I saw this, I remembered to not 'lose it' unless/until we know it's factual.

[JuniperLea]

42. I hear that

Been there too.

I won't get burned again.

[AnOhioan]

16. The use of the phrase "professional left" ala Robert Gibbs....

and your snark about credibility tells me all I need to know.


Enjoy that kool-aid.

[Youth Uprising]

24. Well said.

[Bluebear]

47. +

[truebrit71]

58. It's kinda like the centrist's version of 'Get over it' used by the Rethugs when they stole 2000...

...condescending and rude...

[TreasonousBastard]

18. More like the unprofessional left doing the yakking.

[LoZoccolo]

20. I am rubber and you are glue.

Whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you.

[TreasonousBastard]

23. Neener neener neener

[Obamanaut]

19. There should be a poll. nt

[Vinca]

22. Maybe the uproar will change their position.

[Bluebear]

55. doubtful

[WiffenPoof]

25. I Agree With You...Except

Consider this.

Why would the Administration allow this kind of trial balloon out there?

Some have said that this program needs to be cut because of mismanagement and that a certain percentage is being wasted. Okay, so be it. But why does the Administration allow this to go out without some sort of explanation so that it is not misinterpreted?

I can only assume that they did not think it was important. Or perhaps they don't care how it is interpreted. Regardless...it is yet another indication that the Administration is incompetent at best.

-PLA

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[tekisui]

28. Okay. I look forward to your unqualified condemnation of it when it is confirmed.

[ReggieVeggie]

39. good luck on that

[truebrit71]

59. You mean today? Now that it's been announced officially?

How'd that work out for ya? ;-)

[tammywammy]

32. Isn't this like a couple weeks ago about social security?

Everyone up in arms that at the SOTU he was going to announce huge cuts and raise the retirement age?

[markpkessinger]

33. No, it's not like that at all

The Social Security thing was never more than a rumor based on people's guesses about what the President intended to do. These cuts are in the Administration's proposed budgets. There's a big difference.

[markpkessinger]

34. Give us a break with the "professional left" nonsense!

"Professional left" was a term Robert Gibbs' invented in an attempt to silence legitimate criticism of the administration from other Democrats. The term is every bit as juvenile and meaningless as Palin's "lamestream media."

[MadHound]

44. Credibility?

You mean like when your president promises a public option, but fails to deliver? Credibility, like when your president promises to end the Bush tax cuts for the rich, and then caves in? Is that the sort of credibility you're talking about?

[Bluebear]

46. yes, we're all waiting on baited breath. You know more than Sen. Kerry....

is a shit statement.

[Ramulux]

54. You are such an inspiration

I wish we all had the courage to wait for this administration to tell us what to think about these cuts. Thinking for yourself and doing your own research is overrated anyways.

[Bluebear]

56. So? What's your verdict?

[LoZoccolo]

60. Looks like I was right!

Thanks for the kick.

[Bluebear]

62. The 'professional left' needs to kick your foolish posts for exposure.

Funny thing I knew you would ignore the actual question other than to say "Obama was right"!! Unreal.

[truebrit71]

63. Um, no and stuff...you are wrong. The cuts are in the budget. Not speculation, not fake outrage..

...from the "professional left", they cuts are ACTUALLY there.

What say you now?

[LoZoccolo]

68. Sure, the cuts are in the budget.

I know that.

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[EOTE]

65. Yep, you'll defend ANYTHING this administration does.

You DO understand that this administration has verified everything once thought to be rumor, right? I guess your of the notion that the poor who need heating assistance can just go fuck themselves. Congratulations on being right.

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[Ignis]

73. At the risk of using a Palinism, "In what way, Charlie?"

:shrug:

[Bluebear]

76. lol

that was a gem :P)

[QC]

69. Sensible, pragmatic kick.

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[tekisui]

71. Kick!

For credibility!

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[Chris_Texas]

79. yeah

"Credibility. It's what's for dinner and it's the other white meat."

This being the only dinner these poor folks will have once the caring folks in Washington get through with them.

[Bluenorthwest]

81. That which you do to the least among us

That is all I need to know about LIHEAP. Loathsome Incredible Hypocrisy Even About Poverty. LIHEAP. Cutting Granny's heat, but for Jesus!

[midnight armadillo]

82. Meanwhile some people will FREEZE TO DEATH

'cause really, that's what LIHEAP provides: heat in the winter to protect lives and health. Cut it, and some people will cut corners and go without adequate food or medicine or heat and some will be injured or die.

Or we could tax the wealthiest and they'd have to subsist on less caviar.